Jealousy and Envy - what is it you are wanting?

@AmbiePam (85496)
United States
June 3, 2007 12:42pm CST
My pastor talked about jealousy and envy today and how it all comes from not having the right things in your heart. No one is immune, although I firmly believe you can learn to be happy for others and not want what they have. But it spoke to me, because truth be told, I have envy in my heart. What is it for? It is when I see a person in good health. A person getting ready to go rock climbing. All things I would love to do if only I had the health I was born with. I know I need to work on this, but I ask you - What is that you have envied lately? Is there something someone has that you are jealous of? And it can range from someone having a better garden, to someone marrying a guy you were in love with. This is just an open discussion. No one needs to worry what others will think. : )
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
3 Jun 07
I think what I'd want more then good health, and believe me I'd like that, is to not worry about where every penny will come from. I wouldn't necessarily want to be the richest person in the world or anything but it would be nice to be able to not worry about money so much. It would be nice when my niece mentions that there is a school function and not have the first thought that comes to my head is where will we get the money. Things like that. That is what I envy with some others. They might worry about money for big things but every day little things they know it is covered and I wish I had that.
@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
3 Jun 07
You're right. And envy doesn't necessarily project itself as this evil thing. It's natural to want to have enough money that you don't have to worry. I always thought if I had good health, then I could get a job where money wasn't an issue. I'm pretty close to my degree. Granted, I couldn't get a very high paying job, but surely I would get enough to support myself.
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
3 Jun 07
If I had good health perhaps I could but for me that isn't an option any more :( I've come to terms with it even if I don't like it. Now it's just finding ways to earn money within my physical and mental capablities.
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Well, I know you have the mental capabilities. If someone would channel your mind they'd make a lot of money.
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• United States
3 Jun 07
This is very tough to answer adequately. I have made it a habit to look on the bright side, to be happy for others, to enjoy what I have in life. I have a desire for better health, and I am working on some things to gain a least a little of it. But while I do work on that goal I fully intend to enjoy the things I do have. I am so blessed with a great husband, caring children and grandchildren. I have more than adequate food, shelter and things to pass my time with. I have sewing, crochet, knitting---------and I get a great deal of satisfaction from these things along with the computer. Bit yeah, I do envy those with better health.
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Yes, what you're saying is right. We can be all those things and have all those things, but it just in human nature to want what we don't have. And better health is a biggie. It doesn't feel like a bad thing to want. And it isn't. I just need to not envy people who have it. I don't wish them ill, but I have a small resentment pop up every now and then.
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Yeah, that's not really what I meant when I started the discussion. I don't sit around envying people. But it is the unexpected things that pop up, like when I say someone running and I think, man, I wish I could do that. It's a small seed of envy, and in no way dark, but it's still there.
• United States
3 Jun 07
I may envy in the fact that I would like better health, but I have not wanted it bad enough that I would ever want to 'trade' for it. I have never whinnied to GOD or anyone else that I 'deserve' it more than so and so. That, to me, is the point where wanting something becomes a problem. When I really 'resent' that another has something I want for myself.
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• United States
4 Jun 07
I dont have these things(jealousy+envy) in my psych anymore. I believe that as I got older,and with alot of self-examination,they were lost to the "winds of time". If I want something I put an effort into getting it.Who care what others have,great for them,if I want it,I will get it,sooner or later,depending upon my effort.
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• United States
4 Jun 07
"Life is a Trip"or so it is said.I had everything,then nothing.Now I am working on getting "everything" back as something new.There is a reason the all of the old stuff disappeared or was taken away.I really didn't need it to survive(live).This "going thru it"has tought me alot about alot of things/stuff.As long as you are alive you can have anything that you want,just be carful what you ask for. He,he,he
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
4 Jun 07
You poet, you! : )
@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
4 Jun 07
I truly believe you, Jesse. You don't seem to have an ounce of anything like that in your heart.
@villageanne (8553)
• United States
3 Jun 07
I agree that we can learn to be better at how we let jealousy and envy work in our life. I teach Seminary to a group of teens. Seminary is religious education. ONe of the things that I have found helpful is "pride". According to the scriptures pride is a sin and it wil destroy us from the inside out. Pride is manifest in many different ways. From thinking that others are better than we are to thinking we are better than they are. The concept is hard to understand without much study of the scriptures but as we read the scriptures, we can see it manifest all throughout them. I think that in most cases, wanting good health is a major goal. I know it is too me also. I dont think envy is the right choice of word for those desires. I think longing for that gift is more accurate. As we are all given gifts or talents and we are also given many trials. Illness can be one of our trials. The key is to learn from these trials instead of letting them control us. For example, I have lived with chronic pain since 1986. It is with me 24 hours a day. I can either choose to feel sorry for myself and wallow in it or I can choose to learn from it. I choose to learn from it. I have learned patience, compassion for others dealing with pain and I have learned to be sympathic to others when they are dealing with pain. I have found that I can sense the pain in others. I try to listen to them and to let them cry on my shoulder. Does this make sense to you??
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• United States
3 Jun 07
That made perfect sense to me. There is a quote that I love. I dont know who said it and for that I apoligize. "We cannot choose our trials but we can choose how we deal with them"
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Yes, that is a good one. I've heard it before, but it can only help by hearing it again. I should have that stitched on a pillow. It would be a good reminder to me and whoever visited. Thank you, Villageanne, for the wonderful responses.
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Oh yes. I feel blessed to have been raised in a Christian home, Christian schools, and a Christian college. I had some of those qualities you mentioned, like compassion and even empathy, but never to the extent as to when I got sick. There was no escaping it. So I thought maybe I could use it for good. I'm a huge letter writer to those I know in pain or feeling discouragment. I'll never be perfect, no one will, but we can use our illness to our advantage in that sense. Now THAT may not have made sense though, use it to our advantage, but that's how I have to look at it.
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• United States
3 Jun 07
I am envious. I live in florida right now and I really hate it.I miss my hometown of riverside nj and am envious of all those who live in it. I know that may sound silly but that's the way that i feel.when my dad and i are stuck in the house(which is a lot with this heat) I always think of those people living in riverside going about there business and I get so jealous that they can walk around while we are in the house
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Oh, man. I can see why it would bother you!
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• United States
4 Jun 07
I know this will seem strange or unlikely. However, I am not jealous of anyone, and I do not envy anyone. When I look around me, I know so many people who do have more than I do, and it is not enough for them. They want more. The more they get, the more they want. They are never happy. I just do not feel that way. I am happy with what I have. That is what I have prayed for since I was very young, to be happy with what I have. The answers to that prayer were granted a long time ago.
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• United States
7 Sep 07
Thanks for best response!
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@Katlady2 (9904)
• United States
4 Jun 07
I have to admit that I envy people that seem to have their lives in order, all the bills paid up, and cupboards and freezers full of food. My hubby and I are struggling to get through each week, since I have been on disability for over a year now, and I am waiting for my birth certificate so that I can start my Social Security Disability. I know that things will work out for us eventually, but sometimes it's difficult knowing that money flows for some and not for us.
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
4 Jun 07
Yes, I totally understand. Every month it is a guess if I'll have enough for the month. I've saved money in all ways available, but I would like the security of knowing I can pay my bills without having to check my account balance.
• Philippines
4 Jun 07
i'm envious of my friends who are able to challenge their self doubt and people who can live within their means and are contented with what they have coz as much as i like to say that i am, deep inside i know i want something more.
@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
4 Jun 07
Oh yeah, self doubt. I have to battle that myself sometimes.
@charms88 (7538)
• Philippines
4 Jun 07
Hi ambie. When I was just a little bunny, the enviousness was always with me. I envied my friend who has a driver and nanny waiting for them after school, I envied them who were able to spend more time with their parents, and so on. As I grew older, I realized that having enviousness in our heart was not good and healthy. I started to cast out the negative trait and concentrated on improving myself. I have learned that being envy or even jealousy won't make us go far. By resolving all this negativity and instead replaced it with more positive ways can we be able to achieve our goals.
@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
4 Jun 07
I wish you could bottle that and sell it. People spend their whole lives trying not to want what they can't have.
@charms88 (7538)
• Philippines
4 Jun 07
I've been reading a lot of self help books for the past few months. Somehow, it helps me to stop looking at other people and focus on my own instead. Try to be more optimistic and believe in your own capability. I know its not that simple but there's no harm in trying.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Mmmm..I'm trying to think how best to express myself here...I too, wouldn't mind being in better health...I have a lot of severe joint pain and just can't move the way I'd like...it's frustrating since the part that bothers me the most is the joints in my ankles...sometimes it's so bad I can hardly walk--yet I'm not too keen on taking meds due to the serious side effects...but no I can honestly say I don't envy or are jealous of people who have better health...cause the truth of the matter there really is no such thing...everyone but everyone has some malady to contend with. As far as jealousy or envy over people having more than me....nope...you see, deep within my heart that with a lot of perserverance, I too can probably make a go of it and have all that I want to have in life--which is why I developed a "treasure map"---you cut out pictures of the things you want to manifest in your life...is there a particular kind of home you desire...cut a representative picture out---do you want to travel...cut out pics of the places you'd like to go to...and on and on...you can even have pics of people smiling to represent good health...I have a gigantic one I designed hanging over my bed so I get to see it first thing when I wake up and last before I go to sleep...this all sort of runs along the idea of visualization---one of the things that has already manifested was my "home office"---I had pictures of that on it too...the computer, the desk, printer, scanner.... I actually feel glad when a person comes into good fortune...could never understand for instance why people will have a sour grapes attitude if say someone wins one of those lottery power balls and they are the sole winner....hey, my belief it was that person's time to get that...and usually they mumble...it should have been me--LOL--or I watch that show Extreme Home Makeover where a well deserved family gets the opportunity to have a new and beautiful home and start life anew... So no...not envious or jealous here at all
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
3 Jun 07
That is a good show. Makes me cry every time. : ) I should have been more specific in my topic. Personally, I don't know many people who begrudge others things. I try to keep my life filled with caring, joyful, and honest people. I think what makes it unexpected to feel some envy is that I don't feel it all the time. My last job was an eye opener for me. The three girls I worked with were constantly concerned on who had the better car, or who had the most expensive purse. And I was just stunned. I'm happy with my older car and I'll take a purse from Payless any day. Come to find out, all these girls were in debt. Little by little, they let the envy get to them so much that they altered their lives. That just amazes me and I'm so grateful I don't do that. Maybe I would if I have if I'd grown up differently. Your way is the best way. And I think you could teach some people some valuable things, including me. Thanks, Pyewacket. : )
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Sounds like those women are classic "keeping up with the jonses" syndrome trying to outdo each other and those around them...and then they wonder why they're in debt!!
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
7 Jun 07
Right now I am jelous or envious of a friend to whom things come so easily. I have had to work quite hard for what I have, and I know how difficult some of it was. I like to think that makes me more inclined to sympathise with others who things haven't come easily to. This particular friend has life handed to her on a plate. A healthy family. Her husband has a good job which he got through family connections and he gives her work that is practically free money. They have a big helpful family, and a big beautiful home that they pretty much lucked into. Everything they have seems to have just drifted into their hands rather than have arrived through hard work. She isn't very sympathetic with others, and while I used to wish her well, I am lately starting to just be jelous and annoyed because she doesn't know how good she has it and isn't as nice as she ought to be to others.
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
7 Jun 07
That does make it hard. People know she is blessed and has so much, but she doesn't even act like it registers with her over all she has. It is so much harder to be happy for a person when they don't appreciate it themselves.
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• Ireland
7 Jun 07
Yep. I used to feel guilty for being a little envious, but as time has gone on I have thought she probably needs to loose something before she can understand how things are for people who don't have x, y and z. She just doesn't get it, and with every new thing she gets her head is getting bigger and bigger.
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@MJLami (1173)
• United States
3 Jun 07
I don't envy anyone else. I envy the life I used to have, before a neighbor wrecked it and I had to sell my house and leave a good job just to end a nightmare that was started by the neighbor's jealousy of me and went on to wreck my life, still because of the neighbor's jealousy and in the end for nothing. The idiot thought wrecking my life would get the sick jealous person my house and me. I gladly sold it just to get away from this loser. Jealousy can and does wreck lives. It did mine and I wasn't the one being jealous.
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Yes, you were on the opposite end of the jealousy 'stick.' It's got to be hard not to feel some bitterness, so just that you can talk about it is positive. I'm just sorry you had to suffer needlessly.
• United States
4 Jun 07
Jealousy and Envy! well i do not think i'm jealous of anyone. but there are some people i do envy very much! I would like to have wealth and start a family one day. I can really care less for fame but i would like to keep doing music maybe indie. I would also like to make indie movies as well!
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@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
4 Jun 07
It sounds like you have some wonderful goals. I bet you succeed at them too!
@dania13 (96)
• Canada
4 Jun 07
My parents, catholic priests and teachers educated me to not be jealous or envy other... it is very dicfficult but it a choice to do, a control to learn in ourself maybe... Yes, somebody married the love of my life! I was not aloud to marry him, because he was from an oriental religion and never his family can accept me as his wife, so we stayed friends all life, more 30 years now... when he got married i escape in Morrocco working as volunteer to change my mind of tha love pain undescriptible! Often, i see him in my dreams. I love him still, we exchange pictures of our children, we keep in touch, sometimes we help each other, his wife just think we know each other because we did university together, never we let her know we were in love to not hurt her. The wedding had been organised or control by the family, so, we cannot change the destiny. - i am not jealous because my close cousin was jealous of me and it had been so boring, i decided to never do that to a person!! - i am not jealous about my husband also, i told him when it is finish between us, we speak about directly and we decide if we go apart each one on our way... Bye! Ambie friend Dania
@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
4 Jun 07
I agree completely we can control the envy and those feelings. It's a matter of effort and dedication. I know I just give it over to God, although sometimes my human self starts to take back what I just gave to God. You have quite a story to tell! If you ever write a book, you could surely write a best seller with all that has happened in your life.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
16 Jun 07
I have struggled with envy, once I realized what it was. Unfortunately, our culture creates and encourages envy so that we're hard pressed to even know that what we're feeling is wrong. Thank God for His guidance and patience in showing us. You said: "I firmly believe you can learn to be happy for others and not want what they have" I don't think it's a matter of learning so much as it is opening one's heart to the heart of God. He loves that other person as deeply as He loves you, and why shouldn't He give them what He wants to? We must pray to love God wholly enough to love what He loves.
@gberlin (3836)
4 Jun 07
Well I try not to be jealous and envious of anyone and God has helped me. I think that jealousy and envy might come from how you feel about yourself.
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@phon4u (2215)
• Laos
4 Jun 07
I have learnt so far so good. What I have found the good pill to reduce the pain of being jealousy and envy is merciful or kindness. Every time I meditate I have to say the word mercy to me and every one after praying. I won't get myself and the others hurt.
@gloria777 (1674)
• India
4 Jun 07
I think all human beings have feeling of envy and jealousy. Its a basic human nature. Not at all a fault.
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@whyaskq (7523)
• Singapore
4 Jun 07
Jealousy and envy are two different things in my opinion. By being jealous, there is a strong emotion involved and it is often associated with attachment to something and somebody take it away from you. In the case of envy, it is a wish or perhaps a desire that you own the thing. It is often not for something bad. I do envy many people for what they have but I do not feel jealous that they have it and I do not have.
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@glo258 (33)
• Philippines
4 Jun 07
I have to admit I have experienced being jealous or have envied someone before i got SAVED. But now that I am SAVED, I don't experience being jealous again. I believe strongly that it takes only the GRACE of God to overcome this kind of bad feelings inside us. This kind of negative feeling is a poison that will never make us contented and happy, that's why it is a must that we should overcome this one and only JESUS can change or take it away from us. To those who have experienced the goodness and SAVING faith and grace of JESUS can understand very well what i wanted to say.
@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
4 Jun 07
Yes, hon. I'm saved and born again by the grace of God. I have never been one to live a jealous life. But an occasional pang of envy is common with everyone, including those saved by the grace of God.
@AmbiePam (85496)
• United States
4 Jun 07
I think I didn't understand that last part. "Since when have gotten saved?" I'm probably just missing a word there. That's so cool you live in the Philippines. People I've met here on MyLot from there have been nothing but nice. I live in America.
@glo258 (33)
• Philippines
4 Jun 07
Ms. Ambie, may I ask you few questions? may I know which church do you go to? Since when have got saved? The name of the church I am attending to is the Sword of the Lord Baptist Church in San Pedro, Laguna, Philippines.