Flight 93 Families vs PA Land Owner

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
June 7, 2007 9:56am CST
There is bad blood brewing between some of the families of the people who died on United Flight 93 and the farmer who owns the land where the airliner was brought down. There is a plan to put up a 1300 acre monument to the heroes who fought back, and those who died on that farm. The farmer is charging $10,000,000 for the 1300 acres. Is $7692 per acre a fair price, or should the land owner just donate it out of the goodness of his heart? I think he has every right to ask whatever the market value of his farmland happens to be. Yes, there was a terrible tragedy there, and yes, putting a monument there is a great tribute. However it is his livelihood here and he should get to decide, not the families or the general public.
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@toe_ster (770)
• United States
7 Jun 07
Maybe so, he does have that right, but would it normally sell for that much? His asking price is pretty high. Even if hasked for a little over marketvalue, but that much ? Wow. I would be upset. I do not think he should donate it. He hould if wenated, sell it for a little bit above normal asking prices. After all it is part of history now. He might as well get a littlesomething out of it. But 10,000,000 sounds greedy.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jun 07
$10 Million is only greedy if $7000+ an acre is significantly higher than the development value of the land. (which I admit, I don't know).
@zuri25 (2125)
• United States
8 Jun 07
I agree. It's not just a site where a tragic plane crash occurred; it's a family's home. I think he should ask for some monetary compensation and if I were him I'd be asking for the maximum amount that my land is worth. Personally, I don't like huge concrete monuments. I'd rather see that money go directly to the families of those being honored/remembered.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Jun 07
Well, $100s of millions did go to the families. I just hope some of the money they recieved is going into this monument.
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
8 Jun 07
monument to flight 93 - total estimated gross project costs: 
 $57,950,000
this site clams that it will cover 2000 acres. That is a lot of farm ground. not only is he losing his farm land he will have to find new farm land. and it might not be comparable. That’s not too much to be asking considering that he probably owes about that much to the bank. He probably had to barrow that much to be able to keep farming every year. Not only do they want all that land this monument is going to cost an arm and a leg to build and then maintain. I believe that there should be a monument but this is ridicules. go to thesesite to see what it will be looking like Memorial Feature $27,000,000 Visitor Information Center $6,000,000 Infrastructure (roads, parking, utilities) $11,700,000 Capital Campaign Costs $3,250,000 Land Acquisition $10,000,000 TOTAL ESTIMATED GROSS PROJECT COSTS: $57,950,000 http://www.honorflight93.org/site/c.8dJCKQNuFoG/b.1555703/k.BD7E/Home.htm http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05251/567702.stm
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
8 Jun 07
Your right. That would go a ling way to feed a lot of people.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Jun 07
Ok, I heard 1300, Wikapedia says 2200, the Environmental Impact Statement for the project says 2261.5 acres... so we are talking ball park figures here. ;~D By way of comparison, the Washington DC Mall is only 309 acres. The Pentagon (building and parking lots) covers 583 acres. The Campi of The University of Florida and The University of Minnisota are 2000 acres each. At 2261 acres, that is 53 acres per person killed on the flight!
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@dlkuku (1935)
• United States
8 Jun 07
Just imagine all the poor people that money would feed, not to mention medical care for those who don't have medical benefits.
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
14 Jun 07
Do you realize just how much land that 1300 a acres is. A football field playing area is a acre. So 1300 equals 1300 football fields. Now that’s a h3ll of a lot of land for one memorial.
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
14 Jun 07
I really don't understand why they think they need so much.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Jun 07
Exactly, the land owner isn't insisting on an abscene amount of money, but I can't help but wonder if 1300 acres isn't a pretty abscene amount of land for a memorial. I mean The Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument is only 765 acres!
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@dlkuku (1935)
• United States
8 Jun 07
I agree, it's his land, and he has every right to ask for the fair market value. Just because this tragic event happened on his land doesn't mean he should give his land away. If that was the case, then they should give the Pentagon away to the families who lost loved ones in the plane that crashed there. These were horrible tragic and senseless deaths, and I do feel for the families who lost loved ones, but I don't think it's fair of them to expect someone to just give them his home, his land and his livelihood.
@suscan (1955)
• United States
8 Jun 07
That is a good thought. I feel much sympathy for the people who lost their loved ones in the crash but the man who owns that property has a life to live and he needs to sell the land if he can't use it.
• United States
7 Jun 07
I think that the farmer has the right to ask market price. But at the same time, he probably could come down some to at least make it look like he's trying to be charitable. I feel for him though--he looks like a jerk for charging for the land, but he is going to be out of his livelihood. 1300 acres is a ton of land, especially for a commercial farmer (I'm assuming he's commercial) I wonder though where the money is coming from for the land and the momument--depending on who is footing the bill, he should be able to charge full market price. Especially since he may need to uproot his family to be able to continue to farm after the momument is built (with tourists and everything...no pun intended).
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jun 07
Apparently he has already lost a lot of money because of trespassers wanting to "see" the crash site. He's even had to hire a private security company to help him keep people off the property.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
10 Jun 07
The PA Land Owner has every right to charge whatever he wants to charge for his land. That is a fair price that he is asking for it, but if it were me I would charge more. Currently his offer only factors in the price for the land itself. But the farmer should also take into account how much money he makes off that land in a year, and how many more years he would be farming on that land. Lets suppose he makes $50,000/year, and he is going to farm for 20 more years, he should charge another million dollars. Last time I checked this is America and we are ruled by the free market society, and he has every right to charge whatever he wants to charge.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Jun 07
Right, it is his land, HE is the one who should be able to set the price he'll accept.
@DavidReedy (2378)
• United States
8 Jun 07
Hey, I'm all about altruism, but we gotta' survive, and that land did come to him for free.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Jun 07
Exactly! Talk about 'giving til it hurts!'
• United States
14 Jun 07
er, I meant to say "didn't" come to him for free.