The North American Union

Exactly these CFR people are following what HItler wrote in his book called the World Order. They also follow Illuminati ideas of a New World Order To sum things up these people are 100% insane. That is what I was thinking the North American Union would not be so far, if they never put in the REAL ID. I mean why do they want the people marked? Isn't that what hitler did when he marked people? And didn't he put in a system where you had to show you papers? The mark of the beast is not new. Hitler already used it once. People need to stand up to this. If things do get bad, I will just move to some remote island and then take a vacation!

Blegh..my first instinct is to run too. They want this whole thing..because, they want the biggest power there can ever be. And for that to happen they need to eliminate enemy number one..us, the people. And by eliminate, I mean control. Because if you control the people..you have no enemies. And they ARE anticipating a group of people rising up against them, which is one of the sucky things about this all..because we're going to have to outsmart the government.. It's so that they can have whatever they want. And with total power..they can have just that..whatever they want. And getting rid of Real ID'll probably just hasten the process to chip people..that's pretty much what they're doing in Europe. They keep trying to implement the cards..but they keep getting stopped at every turn, so they introduced the chips, and you know what happened? People jumped into being chipped as if they were snapping up hotcakes..they're that popular over there now. And they made digestible chips which they can put in if people don't do it because they're queesy about needles.. I think this ball's rolling to fast to stop..that's why I say that the best we can hope for is to stop it after it's all happened.

No if people wait for them to put things in place. it would be near impossible to stop it. The best thing to do always with any problem is PREVENTION. Also the real Bush is so DESPERATE for immigration reform and amnesty. is beccause he plans to chip all the workers from Mexico who will be granted the right to work here legally. He knows Citizens who are here legally won't take the chips.. but he KNOWS people who are hungry... will take a chip to be able to work here.... But I am glad the Senate and COngress has been blocking all efforts so far.. this is great! Also a lot of people in the gov. are waking up to what has been happening. Remember the gov its's self is not bad. Its the evil peoplw who snuck in.. that are the bad ones. People like Ron Paul.. and other officals are good people. There are some honest judges who have blocked things the Bush Administration has tried to do as well. So I still have hope for the people, and the government. The main thing we need now is a Ron Paul administration.

Run a search on RFID or the Real ID in any engine, youtube or whatever. You'll find the proverbial boatload of info, Lydia. That's part of what I've been griping about with the media hiding things from us. We should know about this kind of thing before it even gets written into a bill to be passed.

THis has been reported on CNN. But it doesn't get much news coverage. But is has been reported on the mainstream media.. and it is very real.

I'm with you on the Idlewild. The McVeigh connection seems all too real in some of this anti-government rhetoric. I'm for taxation to enable the government to provide social services, education and infrastructure investment. Even for a military, if it were used only in defense. I'm also for free trade agreements, even if it works against American protectionism. And some adherence to international law has benefits. Basically it's not as black and white as some would make out. Embedded chips and total loss of sovereignty - sure I'm agin' it. But this is far from coming into play, imo. The govt is complex, with so many players, andthere will always be some extreme ideas. Don't let people use these extreme ideas to scare you into overreacting and supporting their own equally extreme ideas.