Abortion - When Does Life Begin?

@hometyme (288)
United States
June 23, 2007 9:10pm CST
A big question about abortion has been, "When does life begin? At conception or birth?" Many, including proponents of partial birth abortion, also including the Supreme Court seem to say life begins at birth. Twice, now, with Scott Peterson in the Lacy Peterson case and now with the Jessie Davis/Bobby Cutts case, we see two people charged with murder of unborn children. Is it also murder when a doctor aborts a healthy fetus from a healthy woman? I say, "What is the difference"?
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12 responses
• United States
27 Jun 07
The difference is the gestational age of viability. I'm amazed that it seems like almost no one knows about this. Abortions are illegal after about 8-12 weeks. A double homicide is only implemented if the fetus is 20 weeks or more.
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@hometyme (288)
• United States
27 Jun 07
I understand your statement. How convenient. Thanks for your response.
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@hometyme (288)
• United States
27 Jun 07
I know discussion will not solve this issue -- same as it will not solve other world conflicts, such as Viet Nam, Iraq... We justify it however...
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• United States
23 Jul 07
0_0....I wanna move to the UK...
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• India
20 Jul 07
unborn baby - abortion should not be imposed in the garb of religious sentiments
If killing unborn fetuses is a sin and murder, what about felling trees and killing animals? Aren’t you killing ‘life’ when you cut down a tree or kill an animal? Or is ‘right to life’ only a human prerogative or is it that a human life is more valuable than a tree’s or an animal’s? If man, indeed, is the greatest creation of God, then he has been created to protect and nurture, not to destroy and terminate. I am no environmentalist nor am I a wild-life enthusiast, but what I am trying to say is that we have to evaluate each situation based on its particular merit. Life’s entry into a feotus is like a striking a matchstick…in a flash you have fire! But when does that flash happen inside the zygote, who does it, how does it happen…no one knows! By the time a foetus is grown-up enough to ‘feel’, safe abortion is no longer possible. So you see, when you abort a foetus, maybe there is life (since it’s cells are multiplying) but it can’t feel …less cruel than slaughtering animals and felling trees. But we do kill animals and fell trees. Why do we do it? Pure human compulsion. Abortion should also be treated as that…no parents in their right senses (maybe except in Asian nations, where female feoticide is rampant) would want to kill their unborn child. We should not force our views on others without understanding their compulsions!
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@hometyme (288)
• United States
23 Jul 07
Depends on where you get your definition of sin. I think yours may be real wrong. I don't think anyone is capable of accurately determining when a fetus begins to have feelings. What causes them to flinch when the terminating action is taken? Opinion may be influenced by convenience, as you indicate by your statement regarding the women with unwanted pregnancies.
• United States
23 Jul 07
Beth - No one asked you to choose between your baby or a tree. What if it was a fetus or you? Or a fetus or your daughter? Or a fetus or your sister? How would you feel about that? If you knew that forcing your daughter or sister to carry a pregnancy to term would change her health and life for the worse for the rest of her life?Would you still say that the little first trimester organsim that cannot think or feel is more important than your daughter or sister? hometyme - Who are you to say that a woman's reason for an abortion are wrong or invalid? First and foremost, you will never know or expereince pregnancy or the effects that can come of it, both psychological and physiological. So how cna you say that any woman who weighs the effect of a pregnancy on her life, mind and body should she carry the pregnancy versus that of having an abortion is "wrong" or "selfish" or "unjustified". I think a woman knows herself, her mind and her body and her abilities thereof better than you do.
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@BethTN81 (564)
• United States
22 Jul 07
Well, I like trees, I like animals, but if I had to choose on saving a baby's life or a tree, I would choose a baby. I would also KILL animals and plants to feed my baby. What's your point?
@Kowgirl (3490)
• United States
30 Jun 07
The courts have to rule it as murder because of the length of the pregnancy. Once it has pased a certian stage it is considered by the courts as a human being even if it is still dependent on the mother to live. Not all judges like this rule but they have to abide by it. I myself think life begins at conception but then again lawyers are not allowed to state this fact. Yes doctors are guilty of this if they abort a fetus that is in an advanced stage but they are doing what the state says is legal for them to do if they follow the laws. The difference is they are leaglly aborting the fetus ,they are not killing the mother which will also kill the fetus.
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@hometyme (288)
• United States
30 Jun 07
I agree that life starts at conception, so I think abortion is murder, even before 20 weeks term and i believe that murdering a pregnant woman is double murder. Thanks for your thoughtful comment.
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@abroji (3247)
• India
24 Jun 07
I think life begins at conception. As we know the fetus is growing inside the womb of the mother and that it is developing to come out day by day; it is already on the process of life. The courts may have defferent points of view based on the laws and rules based logics. But I think life starts within the womb of the mother. As such aborting a healthy fetus in a healthy mother is murder.
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@hometyme (288)
• United States
24 Jun 07
I agree. I think the courts' opinion is a matter of convenience to be politically correct. I do not think law can justify ending a life. What could be logical about taking a life. If the result of medical intervention results in unpreventable loss of life, then it is just that - inevitable.
@hometyme (288)
• United States
24 Jun 07
I've heard that male babies are preferred. It seems very unjust to me.
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
28 Jun 07
If I remember correctly, Laci Peterson was around 7 months pregnant. Her pregnancy was viable & she was obviously intending to continue it. I'm not familiar with the second case, but I'm going to assume that pregnancy was also past a point of viability. IMO- "life" begins somewhere between conception and birth. When there is viability, and when there is a soul; then there is a life. The first qualifier isn't cut in stone- as science & medicine make it possible to save even very severely premature babies. But somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-odd weeks there is reasonable viability. The second is even less easier to decide, and some aren't even going to agree that it exists at all.
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@hometyme (288)
• United States
28 Jun 07
The second case, Jesse Davis, was 9 months, so it would definitely qualify as murder. They fetuses react to pain and I think it's terribly cruel at very at a early age. The reason they do not have a choice is that they are not given one.
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• Philippines
24 Jul 07
at conception.
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• Philippines
6 Aug 07
accourding to Dr Fritz Baumgartner, MD, Life begins at the beginning. And I agree with him. All except God has beginning. There can never be new life (for human) not unless an egg was fertilized. According to Dr Fritz "There is no more pivotal moment in the subsequent growth and development of a human being than when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender,who had previously simply not existed. Period. No debate. http://www.prolife.com/life_begins.html
• United States
12 Jan 08
it begins at birth.
@maean_19 (4655)
• Philippines
4 Jul 07
Philippine laws particularly the Civil Code provides, Birth determines personality, but the conceived child shall be considered born for all purposes that are favorable to it. Philippine law has to consider birth as the beginning of life because it determines that a person has civil personality. An instance is, if life begins at conception, even a 3 months old unborn child can succeed or inherit from his parents. That's actually the purpose of the law. However, in medical terms or religious sense, the beginning of life may be different and consider conception as the start. It is when the heart starts to beat even on the maternal womb.
@hometyme (288)
• United States
5 Jul 07
Thanks for your thoughtful response. Though, I picked a 'best response', I am not sure it is really possible. Though I did not allude to religion, many in the US like to separate Church and State. I do not believe there is a need for any religion without God, and, personally, I do not believe God allows a convenient separation.
@hometyme (288)
• United States
10 Aug 07
I do not need ANY religion where there is no God. Seems that our forefathers did believe in God. The God I know does not opress or force anything upon anyone. I'm glad you and I can, both, choose.
@eden32 (3973)
• United States
8 Aug 07
"Though I did not allude to religion, many in the US like to separate Church and State. I do not believe there is a need for any religion without God, and, personally, I do not believe God allows a convenient separation." Are you saying that the church should control government? Which church should have that control? And those of us who do not follow that religion should do what exactly? Should we migrate? Should we be jailed? Our founding fathers (and mothers) came to the new world specifically for religious freedom. What an insult to their sacrifices that some Americans would see that undone. Religious freedom means ALL religions and freedom from religion if that's your inclination.
@aries_0325 (3060)
• Philippines
12 Jan 08
Life begins when the time that there is a life inside the tummy of the woman. Abortion is an absolutely wrong and it is a crime of murder. And absolutely I am not favor for this. And I think the fetus have life and like us she/he have a right to see this wonderful world.
• Philippines
12 Jan 08
Sorry for the double post. I have some trouble with my internet connection.
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@aries_0325 (3060)
• Philippines
12 Jan 08
Life begin if you found out that you are pregnant. And I am against it. Abortion is an absolutely wrong and it is a crime of murder. And absolutely I am not favor for this. And I think the fetus have life and like us she/he have a right to see this wonderful world.
@asahibza (388)
• Canada
24 Jun 07
I will go with the opinion that life begins at pregnancy. As soon as a woman becomes pregnant, the foetus starts go grow. We know that only living objects grow. I am against abortion in general. But if someone has some genuine reasons and abortion is better for the overall well being, then I will not be sure. I also think that state should provide support to forsaken newborns. If there is some machinery which takes care of undesired babies, may be we see a decrease in number of abortions.
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@hometyme (288)
• United States
24 Jun 07
Thanks for your input. I cannot imagine genuine reasons for an abortion except health related reasons. The unborn child does NOT have a choice. I believe the courts have set a double standard.
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• United States
2 Jul 07
If I put a seed into the ground and nuture and water it I will have a plant. If I pull it out of the ground it will die. Same with fertilization. A baby will result. Stop the process while "in the ground" there will be no baby. It makes not one iota of sense to have two different value systems UNLESS you are a politician. If a pregnant women is murdered there are two charges of murder but if a doctor aborts the unborn child it is lawful. Interesting morality.