can christians accept evolution?

Canada
July 10, 2007 10:59pm CST
do you think it is viable that a person who accepts evolution also claim to be a TRUE Christian? I don't think so, what about you? Why/Why not?
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
11 Jul 07
Hello fightingistheonlyway! I am not a christian but I do am a believer and a theist. I basically have a creationist approach. My creationism doesn't exclude the possibility of evolution, though. I don't think that they are mutually exclusive of each other as such. I think GOD created us and HE could have selected any mechanism or process to bring us about. This process or mechanism could be evolution or mere creation out of nothing. It is also possible that for some species, HE used simple creation out of nothing and for others HE used some evolutionary process. This last approach is close to my own view at this point in time. I can be wrong though:-)
• Canada
11 Jul 07
i dont think thats the "real" creationism that is trying to be tought in our schools... the real creationism is the idea that adam and eve were the first people on the planet created by god and they reproduced from that. evolution says that people were found all over, and that there could be a possibility that they all came from one place.. you know?
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
11 Jul 07
Yes I know, fightingistheonlyway!, I have studied evolution for many years now. As I said that my idea is that it is possible that GOD created some species out of nothing, like Adam and Eve and he used evolution process for some other species which may be different than the Darwin's idea of evolution.
• Canada
11 Jul 07
so your saying that everything BUT man was part of evolution?
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
11 Jul 07
wellm it depends are you speaking of the Evolution in the sense that the world was created, or the evolution meaning that things evolve or adapt over time? I am a christian and I believe that things do evolve and adapt overtime, however I do not believe that we evolved from apes, I do not believe in Evolution in the way the world started, but I do know that things change and adapt to the world around them to survive/
• Canada
11 Jul 07
we are apes.
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• Canada
12 Jul 07
ape does not mean monkey... this is grade 6 science..
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
12 Jul 07
um, we are not apes....
• Thailand
17 Jul 07
Why not? To be a Christian is to follow the teachings of Christ. I see no way that conflicts with evolution. The teachings of Jesus are as relevant in the modern world as evolution is. Who can argue with the Golden Rule?
• Thailand
18 Jul 07
I am a bit confused. I have done research on the code of Hammurabi and it is remarkable but I can not find the teachings of Jesus in it. Perhaps I am a bit thick headed. Could you be so kind as to point out what I am missing?
• Canada
18 Jul 07
there are about 300 (about 60 missing) laws in the code, and it is not the oldest of its kind.. there is the code of Eshnunna, and the code of Nammu... these principles of these laws and moral obligations in society are still held today.. except, in some cases, instead of chopping ones hand off for stealing, we throw him in jail and ask for bail..
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• Canada
17 Jul 07
i consider the teachings of jesus to be in the bible. this includes noah, 6000 year old earth etc. i think that IS what the teachings of jesus are, because, other than those, his moral teachings have been around since the code of Hammurabi, so i dont consider that to be his teaching.. his teachings are in the bible, and even though he may have not said anything about judgment day or anything like that, its still supposedly the book of god..
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@DJ9020 (1596)
• United States
11 Jul 07
You kind of made a point in your response that contradicts your post. To be a Christian means you follow Christ's teachings. Creation is solely an Old Testament concept. I, personally, am a Christian, I firmly believe that Christ is my only Savior. But I also believe that God created the world and all the processes in it. And I believe that includes the process of evolution. I don't think God tries to fool us. There is too much evidence of evolution to ignore it. God set all the laws of physics and science in motion when he created the world. God is an orderly and orgainzed God, and has created our existence according to his rules. And I don't think he violated his rules. Therefore, whenever we have 'scientific proof' that there is no God, I laugh! That scientific proof is actually proof there IS a God!!!
@DJ9020 (1596)
• United States
11 Jul 07
That's the beauty of faith.
• Canada
11 Jul 07
you cant prove a negative. i cant prove that the dodo is extinct. however, there is evidence that it does not exist. + a good debater would know both sides of the argument
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• United States
11 Jul 07
A point can be made here that Christ was present at the dawn of creation. See John 1:1-5. That would mean that the creation is not merely an old testament concept. I agree that God did set the laws of the world in motion. Much of what the Bible teaches is that God has placed certain laws in motion, and that to live a truly happy and fulfilling life we are to live by those laws. Living apart from those laws is living in sin, which is separate from God.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
17 Jul 07
Well, what is a true Christian? The definition of a "true Christian" is not a set definition, and everyone has their own idea of what a "true Christian" is. My definition is someone who believes Jesus was the the son of God, and who follows the teachings of Jesus. With that definition in mind, yes, I believe it is possible to believe in evolution and be a true Christian as well.
• Canada
17 Jul 07
yes, that IS the definition of a christian one who follows the teachings of jesus.. his teachings are in the bible... so.. you must READ and believe in the bible to be a true christian.
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
27 Jul 07
I believe a Christians can believe in the "Big Bang" theory as long as they know "WHO" caused the big bang..
• Canada
27 Jul 07
god is a "who"? did jesus cause the big bang? so the bible is not literal..
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• Canada
27 Jul 07
because, what you said is faulty... what you said could apply to muslims and pantheists as well.. what you said is the basis for all modern theists.
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• United States
30 Jul 07
No, what I meant was, when G♥d spoke, it could cause something like that and I do mean the G♥d, the creator, not any god..And I am talking about the creation of the world. Now if you are talking about evolution as in evolving from another species, NO. Adam was made just like we are today. Sorry for not making it clear..
• India
11 Jul 07
I am a Christian, a Baptist and I have been born again years back. I believe in evolution as well as creation. It is absolutely wrong for Young Earth Creationist to say that only when you believe in creation as they espoused can one be called a true Christian. Every Christian is a creationist, in one sense, as Rev. Dr. John Polkinghorne one of the most famous quantum physicist in the world underscored. The reason is that every Christian believes that it is God who bring the physical world into existence. But whether or not human being evolve from an organic matter is a question of debate among Christians. Theologian like John Stott and scientist like Francis Collins, Director of Humane Genome Project, believe that it is possible to believe in Genesis 1 and 2 and also evolution. I believe in the inspiration of the Bible, but I don't think the text demands me to believe that the snake talked, and Adam was created on Friday morning at 9 then he named the animals at 11 and then felt lonely at 2 and God brought Eve at 4. That is bad hermeneutics. I believe when you examine different positions taken by Bible believing Christians one may conclude that Young Earth Creationist has poor hermeneutics, Old earth creationist has poor theology, and only theistic evolutionist does justice to both hermeneutics and theology.
• Canada
17 Jul 07
yes, i understand where your comming from and you gave a very good answer.. however, can you really pick and choose beliefs from the bible? it is either god's word or it isn't, right? you can't say well, god wrote a bit of it, then some people added to it..etc... because that would still be "gods word" because of "gods plan" right? god wanted these people to add or take away things from it.. do you know what i mean?
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• India
27 Jul 07
I am not picking and choosing whatever I want and leaving the rest. My point is that does the text demand me to interpret this way or that way? If Genesis 1 and 2 is a semite-Poetic literature then the texts demand me to interpret it not as a narrative text. The point then is are Genesis 1 and 2 narrative text or semite- poetic text? You might say it is a narrative text, and I would say it is a semite-poetic text. I am not a liberal who would pick and choose. I believe Scripture is inspired, but we must use proper interpreting principle to get the meaning of the texts. I think one who imposes one's own way of interpreting the text does more injustice to the text...let us go by what the text demands. Regards, Headhunter525
@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
11 Jul 07
I think that a true Christian can believe in Darwinian evolution out of ignorance. I had a teacher suggest to us that maybe God used evolution as a means of arriving at the complex life we see today. At the time it sounded reasonable. However, the truth of the matter is that there are major conflicts. Darwinian evolution is an undirected naturalistic process. Obviously God can't direct an undirected process. Also, Jesus states in the New Testament, Mathew 19:3 - 6, that in the beginning God "created" man and woman. Also, the Bible is pretty clear on the time period when it says the morning and the evening were the first day. This description of day was written in the third person by someone with a 24 hour concept of day. I do believe that God created living organism with the ability to adapt (microevolution) but not to evolve from one species such as an amphibian into a bird or a whale into a cow (macroevolution)
• Canada
18 Jul 07
Something I notice no one ever seems to bring into any discussion about how Creator created man and woman. If we look around...everything is a creation...and/or in the Creative process of transformational change. With creation...we must have a Creator..in one form or another. Within the foundation of of all that is...there is energy..even our bodies that appear solid...when broken done to finite examination...reveals that the molcules are infiite...and energetic. So it is beyond me why the simple equation cannot be made that we are all created from an energetic Source...in that image..from a spiritual perspective. The outworking of our physical form in my view is no different that the idea that every human being...and everything else within Creation..orgininated from the spark of Divinity and continues to 'evolve' within every level of Creation...and that is why all great religions make references to Eternal Life. Look up at the stars...they are millions of light years away from us...when were they created...eons ago my friends. The essence of who we are...is..a spiritual being going through human experiences on an evolutionary path of enlightement. Does it really matter so much what form our Creator originally gave us a spirit to live within a form? If Creator made us..we will forever remain 'in that image' because energy can never be destoyed. You think? Now this is way beyond my personal perspective...especially the energy part...do you own research and form your own opinions...all within respectful dialogue...and acceptance of differences of course. That is part of a religious code of ethics...right?
@vivienna (582)
• Venezuela
11 Jul 07
What does it mean to be a TRUE Christian? Surely a person who believes that Jesus Christ is God, our Lord and Savior, and who imitates his model of love and self-sacrifice. That implies also faith in God as Creator, but not necessarily the adoption of a literal interpretation of the Bible. God's plan of restauration and salvation is in itself a great evolutionary example. Nature also is God's revelation as is history. When nature and history show a very old Universe and findings show that there where humanlike beings before, why shouldn't I accept this? It does not interfere with my profound belief in Christ and my intention to "walk just like he walked".
• Canada
11 Jul 07
i think a true christian is one who follows christ and his teachings, and his teachings are found in the bible written in the gospels. they are literal or they are false, because they are gods words.
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• Canada
18 Jul 07
Many Christians I have talked to say they cannot accept the theory of evolution because they cannot believe they came from apes. The intersting thing to me in all theoglical debates, including Creationism is that Creationism has to be theoretical..because there is no 'proof.' It used to be a faith-based belief...now they are trying to say that Intelligent Design is a science...but it is still Creationism packaged in a way that will allow it to be presented in a way that sounds more 'scientific.' But it is still...a theory and no one seems to be willing to admit it. From my perspective the physical aspects of who we are and where we came form is less important than the fact that we are...energy beings living in a physical expression. The 'story' of our physical history would be less controversial if we began to assess the possibility...and in my view probable realization that we are energy...and energy can not be destroyed. So whether we were sparks of Divinity in an Ape, Neanderthal, or Primate...our inner essence is the point of origin. We cannot have creation...without a Creator. Sooooooo...what do you think?
• Canada
19 Jul 07
We ARE apes.. a theory is based on facts. the idea that "everything has a creator" is at fault because the creator must have a creator.
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@agnescav (566)
• United States
11 Jul 07
Sure, one could. If he were to read the first chapter of the Bible, he would see that God created the animals and then man. If he were to read the second chapter he would see that God created man and then the animals. If he were a thinking person, he would realize that the Bible does not have accurate information about the creation of man. Therefore, evolution is a possibility.