Tips? Why should I tip YOU?

United States
July 16, 2007 11:12am CST
Saw an opinion piece that helped me clarify my thoughts om a trend I had sort of noticed myself: the sudden sprouting of tip jars everywhere. Here's the link: http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/ConsumerActionGuide/WhatsUpWithAllThoseTipJars.aspx My mother worked her butt off as a waitress to raise us, and I've worked as a server and a bartender, so this issue is close to my heart. I don't know exactly how the modern practice of tipping began, but I DO know that certain classes of jobs are exempt from the minimum wage laws because the workers who perform them are tipped. Cocktail servers, waiters and waitresses, bartenders, all are paid less than 1/3 of the Federal minimum wage because of the expectation of tips. Jobs that ARE NOT exempt from minimum wage laws include the ones the writer mentions in the article - counter help, fast-food workers, retail clerks. I think it takes one hell of a lot of nerve for people to put out tip jars in these places, especially given the lousy service most of them provide! The worst thing is, people will become accustomed to thinking a few coins or a single dollar dropped into a jar makes them a "good tipper", which may drop the amount a person thinks is a "good" tip for the people whose income is dependent on them! I'm not rich enough to throw my money away by rewarding someone for doing the things required of them by their job description. What do you think?
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• United States
16 Jul 07
I'm not sure WHEN tipping started, but the word "TIPS" is an acronym for "To Insure Prompt Service." I agree that counter help/fast-food servers don't really qualify. The only time I tip those folks is if they remember my order before I even say anything. They really have to go that extra mile to get anything out of me. At restaurants I tip at least 15% and try for 20% -- but again, the longer I wait, the lower the tip goes. I'm also a lot more critical of the service I get if it's an expensive restaurant. For the prices these places charge, I'd almost want the server to cut my meat up FOR me! LOL!! Just kidding! But really, the coffee and donut people aren't schlepping heavy trays, or running back and forth from the kitchen to serve me, so I don't feel beholden to leave any tip at all.
@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
16 Jul 07
I think it's sort of rude of you to say, "given the lousy service most of them provide" I don't think most people working fast-food and retail give lousy service. Once in awhile they do, but I'd say most do the best they can. If you don't want to tip, then don't tip. I don't see anything wrong with them having a tip jar out. If the service is good, I might tip. When I worked at a gelato shop we had a tip jar and at the end of the day everyone would just split up the tips. Sometimes we got a lot, especially if we were busy, because people appreciated the service they got and wanted to do something nice for us. It's not like they are implying you have to tip.
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• United States
16 Jul 07
Hi, Molly! I hope you have better minimum wage workers in the mitten state than we do on the east coast! Most of the time "indolent" is being kind to the folks working at the bottom of the wage pyramid. it's a shame, because when I was working in those kind of jobs, having fun with the customers was the only thing that made work tolerable, plus the shift went by faster. Of course, I was very, very fast on the register, so people were less inclined to be impatient with me. In my neck of the woods, lousy service is the norm. There are a few good workers around here, but they are widely dispersed! Whatever happened to taking pride in your work? No labor is menial if you take pride in doing it well. I guess that's some of the old-fashioned American values we're missing these past few decades. I still believe this tip jar trend hurts people who depend on tips for their income. If you're working for minimum wage and want more money, get a better job. If you want tips, work as a server, and learn EXACTLY what it is you are asking people for. Dishing out burgers or pizza is a desk job compared to juggling 10 tables at your local diner/Chili's/whatever! (yes, I've done both!)
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• United States
17 Jul 07
I know, splitting tips sux! I worked at a white-tablecloth place when it was sold. The new manager wanted to do an "experiment" with pooling tips for a month. I worked one week and walked. I know how to take care of my customers, and I regularly out-earned the slower servers by 25% - why the heck should I bust my hump to boost their income? It worked out OK, that time, because I got a job right around the corner from the old place, and about a quarter of my customers followed me.
• United States
16 Jul 07
Whew, I don't know what I feel about splitting tips. I know that I have seen places do that and heard about them as well. Each server should keep their own tips. Some work harder than others do and I feel you should get what you make. Some shifts aren't as good as others but still if you are good, and provide a good service, you should be compenstated and not have to share.
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@kgwat70 (13388)
• United States
16 Jul 07
I too have noticed the increase in tip jars everywhere, from the bowling alley to gas stations to just about everywhere else. I do not mind tipping people that actually provide quality service to me, my friends and family but not those who do not provide a service or provide poor service. There should be some kind of restrictions on these jars. There are also more jars these days for donations.
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@cynddvs (2948)
• United States
16 Jul 07
I'm with ya all the way on this one! I worked too hard for too many year as a server and bartender. When I see tip jars places where I know people are making $6 and $7 an hour it makes me so mad. Especially when all those people do is hand you your coffee and take your money. What kind of service is that to deserve a tip? Tips are made for people that provide you full service and good service. Like you said these people make well under minimum wage because they count on these tips as their main salary. And you are so right about people tipping less because of these tip jars. People think that just because the people that set out these tips jars and accept loose change as tips because they make more an hour that servers and bartenders make more and hour and will take loose change as tips as well. One of my biggest pet peeves is always leaving a good tip to servers and bartenders when I go out to eat. Not enough people know that they make a living off of their tips and work their butts off. I could rant and rave about bad tippers all day long so I'll shut up now lol.
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• United States
16 Jul 07
I hear ya! I had it drummed into me from an early age, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out! These days, the worst tip I'll leave is 10%, and you gotta be actively ignorant for me to drop it that low. I give 15% or so for just-above-bad service, and 20% for decent. For a night's drinking, I'll give the bartender a $20 bill in advance, and a little bit at the end of the evening. That way, I never forget to take care of them!
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• United States
16 Jul 07
I really hate tipping and tip jars. Because I know that servers make less than minimum wage, I always trip 15-20% for servers though unless the service is really terrible or it's a buffet restaurant. But there are many times when I encounter situations where I'm not sure if I should tip, or how much is expected and I really just wish that these people were not exempt from minimum wage laws. My least favorite is the grocery store on military bases (the commissary). Baggers at theses grocery stores work for tips, and help you load the groceries into the car. This is a service I don't need, and after buying a load of groceries I hate to tack a few more dollars on the bill to tip people for a service I don't need. I actually switched to buying at a grocery store where you bag your own groceries because the prices are so low and I don't have the stress of decided what to tip. As far as tip jars go, occasionally I'll drop my change in the jar. I strongly feel that no jobs should be exempt from minimum wage laws whether or not they get tips. Waitressing is a difficult job, and they deserve a decent wage plus tips, especially in places where there are expected to tip out servers assistants and hostesses.
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• United States
16 Jul 07
You make excellent points! I know many servers who would gladly replace some of their tip income with a guaranteed wage. The people who work in high-end or high-volume establishments do well, but a lot of others have at least one weeknight where their tips don't equal what they would have made at the minimum wage.
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@tuffy999 (794)
• Philippines
16 Jul 07
normally i don't give tips because there is already service charge included in the bill but if i'm a regular in a particular place and the service is good i leave a little extra.
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@mummymo (23706)
17 Jul 07
I understand exactly what you say here Sweets and although the system is different here in the uk I know where you are coming from! I will tip people if I feel they have tried hard and been pleasant and helpful! If you ever came intop the pub I work you would tip me - either cos you loved my attention, sense of humor and service or cos you would be scared not too! lol xxx
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• United States
17 Jul 07
LOL... actually, if I came into any pub, I'd tip regardless, because those workers actually serve me. I don't consider handing me my takeout order to be service, but you know I'm weird! I forgot about tour guides and hairdressers, too, they don't earn minimum wage, either. It's really dumb, but the lobbyists will never let Congress change it!
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@mummymo (23706)
17 Jul 07
We have a totally different system here sweets - people are not excluded from minimum wage because they MAY receive tips! I think that is a massive flaw in the system there in the states sweets - another way for those with the money to keep it by not paying their staff at a decent rate! xxx
• United States
16 Jul 07
Wonderful topic you started :-) I am not a rich person or even well off, however my husband and I like to eat out on occassion and sometimes if we have the extra money, maybe more than the occassional time. I have tipped from nothing to near $30 for the 2 of us to eat out. If the service is good, we tip. If the service is beyond good, we tip more. If a waitress/waiter cannot even seem to fill drinks or do a little pre-bus on the table, then granted, they are getting nothing or very close to it. I used to tip just because it was the thing to do--it was customary. However as I got older, and got my own job waitressing and being tour guide, I realized just how hard you had to work for that tip and for that matter, you HAD to so you could off-set what you weren't getting in wages. Tour guides are the exception to the rule (or used to be) about minimum wage as well. I don't particularly care for seeing 'tip jars' at the counter of a Burger King (for example). Sorry...those cashiers provide minimal service at best and they are making a decent wage---$7 an hour compared to what a waitperson makes is a definite difference. I also don't like how some resteraunts are going to 'gratuity included' uuummmmm excuse me but I will tip if it is deserved. To me, if a tip is included, then many will not work as hard to provide good service. Lousy service equals no tip from me. Very seldom have I not tipped at all but there have been several where I haven't tipped much.
@whywiki (6066)
• Canada
16 Jul 07
I don't mind tipping people that have gone out of their way to provide good service. I refuse to drop money into a tip jar for some yahoo that has poured a cup of coffee and handed it over the counter and I still have to put the condiments in it and put the lid on myself. No tip for them. I think everyone should be paid at least minimum wage and that tips should be for good service period. I am not the one who should be responsible for paying an employee, it is the employers responsibility. I work in the service industry and don't expect a tip when I provide lousy service.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
16 Jul 07
To be honest, I feel that hairdressers and waitresses should be paid at least min. wage if not more! I have friends that waitress while trying to support a family single handedly. On some nights they bring home a decent amount of money. Other days, they work their little butts of and come home with next to nothing. It is not fair that the owners of these establishments are not required to pay fair wages just like everyone else! Yes, these people should be tipped even if they are earning fair wages. The good ones not only work very hard but they serve us with a smile and brighten our day. I have no problem throwing a small tip into a tip jar for an excellent waitress or other person that serves the public. What I don't like is having to pay their wages!! That should be the employers position...not mine! It is costly to eat out. We are paying the employer who should be paying his workers!
• United States
16 Jul 07
I work in the food service industry, however all tips we collect we put in the box for charity. I don't mind dropping a couple cents into a jar for someone who was exceptionally courteous or went out of their way for me. I don't usually leave a large tip, however I know how hard it is to deal with customers who are not very reasonable. Sometimes getting a little tip here or there can boost someones morale and improve their mood. It isn't a surefire way, and it usually isn't enough to buy anything, but if there is a little something I can do to improve someones day, why not try it.
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@jodenton (222)
17 Jul 07
I am a UK citizen but have lived in the states for a while and I have to say that I find your tipping culture in general totally alien to me although there is plenty of it in the UK itself it is not 'required' that you tip. For example everyone is entitled to the minimum wage so the things you talk about don't really apply to the UK but I do object to having to feel like I have to tip otherwise my waiter whether they be good or bad may starve! I personally believe that wholesale tipping is wrong and just means that the proprieter of the restaurant etc can give you waitresses/waiters a worse wage. If there was no tipping then the average wage for you guys would be better and that leaves the door open for reasonable tipping if the customer thinks that you've done an amazing job rather than almost a quarter of the bill so you can show them that they've done a better job than the average 10% tip. In Eastern Europe it is almost illegal to tip as they view it as a class thing....the customer thinks they are better than the waiter/ress if they think they can tip them. Just a few thoughts!
@magical9 (21)
• United States
16 Jul 07
Well, a server gets paid less then minimum wage cause they expect them to be tipped.Anytime a person gives a server a tip is not throwing your money away, it is giving your part in the american dream. Its your choice if you give them a tip or not.But if someone goes out there way to make sure i am comfortable in their store or restaurant then it makes me feel welcomed and they deserve to be tipped. I find that when i tip a person or even give money to a homeless person, i feel like i am contributing to society and i feel good about it. You never know what a person needs are.there has been a time in my life when i wished i had a few dollars to buy something i needed like food or gas and i would be happy if someone helped me out cause that's what being human is about. So, i believe that when you give you will receive ten times that amount in return especially those who have little to give but because of their big heart they give anyway.