if god exists, the leprechaun exists, the flying teapot exists etc etc...
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
Canada
July 23, 2007 8:28pm CST
god's existence is illogical, however, cannot be disproven.
if god exists, there is no reason why zues and other things exists.
therefore, if god exists, there is more than one god and many other things that cannot be proven.
if you believe in god, its already illogical.
but if you believe that your god is the only existing god, its illogical to the max, its asking you to throw out all possibility.. its the hight of ignorance.
what do you think?
if the christian god exists, so does zues, and the ninja turtles..
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
24 Jul 07
You've made an excellent point. God can't be proved nor disproved, and in like manner, neither can other creatures of lore. At least, not yet.
It's understandable though, why some would believe in God, and yet not believe in other Gods. To them, only their God can exist because it is the "God" they know best. To them, this being has had a great effect on their life, and therefore, it's existence to them seems obvious. However, a God like Zeus, who has not been worshiped since the ancient Greeks (to my knowledge, anyway), seems like nothing more than a myth to many people simply because he's had no effect on the lives of these people (to their mind, anyway). It's harder to believe in things that we have little experience with. I'm not entirely sure if this is due to ignorance, rather than a lack of will to believe in a concept that has little perceived effect on your life.
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@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
24 Jul 07
lol... yea, they dont use a logical way to prove god in the first place, they "lower the bar".. after that, they dont allow other gods and mythical creatures to also come through..
its like saying this book exists, but this book does not...
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
25 Jul 07
Christians believe in God for the same reason Wiccans believe in their Gods. They choose to. I was raised in a very Christian family...I know every possible reason a Chrisitian believes in God, and the underlying reasons are choice and culture. This has nothing to do with whether or not we've read the bible.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
24 Jul 07
Who created life? You look outside at the sky, at the way the stars are arranged, and then you look at the deciduous trees, and notice that now the apple trees are full of apples, the cherry trees have cherries,etc. and then at the same time, every year, their leaves turn yellow, orange, and gold, and start falling. Only God could do this.
The other 'gods' or idols are products of man's invention and when man invents something, he makes his own rules, so you have someone say it is okay to steal and they make a god of thieves, some say it is okay to be vain, and they invent Venus, some say that they love war, and they invent Mars. Then there are the fools who say in their heart there is no God.
So since you did not make yourself and the universe was created perfect, therefore there God exists, because if HE did not, you would not be here.
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
24 Jul 07
all gods are a product of mans creation.
nobody knows why and how the world was initiated.. but to say that some guy who loves you is doing it is completely ludicrous.
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@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
24 Jul 07
to say that god exists, and zues does not is illogical because you use the values of proof for one and not the other... THAT is ludicrous..
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@mikeyr6000le (2123)
• United States
27 Jul 07
I understand where you are coming from. Me and a friend had a conversation about how he believes in ghosts and that stuff and I do not. He said if something is real to someone doesn't that make it real to them? Yes, it does to them even though it maynot be real at all. He also said nothing would every change my mind because I would always want more proof.
Meaning if the curtain moved, he might think ghost I would think breeze. If a ball of light zoomed acroos the room he'd think ghost I'd think, I don't know what it was but I'm sure there is a logical explaination. There are some things I myself could prove what it was/is but I'm sure someone with more smarts then me could, other then just saying ghost.
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@edujccz (929)
• Philippines
25 Jul 07
Your comparison of myths and god is illogical
Okay God doesn't exist to you because you dont see proof that he does.
Do you believe that you have a brain that function to think, how did you know that it was your brain having that function? maybe your teacher, a scientist or books told you. Tnen why did you believed them that it was your brain that it has the function to think. What if it is written that it was your behind that function to think, you will believed it too. Its Illogical?Us Christians, believing in God is not by proof of what we see, but we come to know and feel him through our heart. Unless you dont have a heart that feels. God thru his prhopets laid down rules and they are hard to follow to be a believer. Why else do you have to follow a strict rule if you have the freedom to choose not and be by yourself? Thats the beauty of believing in a God.
Try to research and tell me if zeus and ninja turtles have laid rules of life to follow.
Good day to you and may God open your heart so you learn to feel your surroundings.
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
25 Jul 07
haha, no, its not whether god exists to ME, its whether it reaches the requirements needed for a scientific proof, and it does not.. SO, to make it so that it does, you need to lower the bar, but if you lower the bar, things like the flying teapot can also be considered as existent.
its not whether "I" see the proof, its whether it is scientific and logical.
my brain functions because of electrical and chemical impulses..
i dont "believe" this, i accept it as scientific fact.
"believing in god is not by proof..."
EXACTLY YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF hahaha.
now you accuse me of not having "emotions" and a "heart that feels"... please..
wow, how about you do some research. the RULES or the commandments in the bible were created by MAN in the code of hammourabi, and even older codes... you should work on your history buddy....
good day to you and may you understand the illogical premises of your beliefs
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@BethTN81 (564)
• United States
25 Jul 07
LuLu i dont think he realizes that science is all THEORY too. I am starting to think that maybe he doesnt like the ways the christian church is and decided not to believe in god so he would not feel guilty about what he does.
Kinda of like, if i dont believe in something then i cant suffer the consequences, such as hell.
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@LuluLala (23)
• United States
25 Jul 07
Hah, your funny, I like how you like to use science as "proof of fact", um ya maybe to prove that an antibody can kill a paticular virus, but science does not prove nor disprove God. They like to make "theorys" about what they think happened. Science and all its theorys are a belief just like God is a belief.
I can say "just because eletrical currents move through my brain to make me think, it means there is no God," but how do you know that that isn't the way God created you to be and work and live? If God is going to create something he has to give it avenues to live, function, and think independently from himself. Are you saying that God is unable to use electical currents to keep me thinking? How can you disprove that thinking is an act of God? We don't even know everything there is to know about our bodies and how they work, how can we say we know about what makes us live?
And I would say that the more consistanceys that are found in books like your Hammourabi, only proves more the idea of God's existance, the idea that there are people from different areas in the world that have had the same beliefes without meeting each other, something somehow gave them these ideas, I don't think they all came together for a book club meeting. And yes the books were written by the hand of man, thats why there is room for flaw. God can speak to humans, its just a question of how well they listen, or if they listen at all, and how they interperate it. For example, some one might translate hebrew words to english but they lose alot of their meaning and have room for mis-interpretation.
@BethTN81 (564)
• United States
25 Jul 07
You may think that believing in God or a higher power is illogical, but millions of others disagree.
If someone wants to believe in God, or the ninja turtles that is their choice. No one has the right to tell someone is being illogical for believing in someone or something.
Faith is what people have when they believe in God, or other higher powers. You obviously do not understand that.
Learn about people's beliefs before you start to contradict them.
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@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
25 Jul 07
millions of people disagreed that the world was flat too..
if someone wants to believe that the earth is flat, thats fine, but as long as they don't teach my kids about it...
exactly, dont bring creationism in schools because its a belief, not science..
faith is what people have when there is no proof,
i used to be a believer and the bible, koran (etc etc) are filled with contradictions..
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@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
2 Aug 07
missak, you do realize that was another atheist joke?
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
2 Aug 07
All right, I'm going to give this a try. By definition, the belief in anything that cannot be proven is illogical. So, therefore, my belief in God is illogical. I can't argue that. But I take it on faith that He exists. It's not something I think, it's something I feel. I would not, however, throw out the possibility that there is no God. If it were proven, somehow, that God does not exist, I would have to accept that as fact and move on. Therefore, I do not and cannot ignore the possibility that other creatures that people presume are mythological do infact exist. But I just personally don't believe it. However, if it were to be proven that they do exist, I would have to accept that as fact and move on.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
24 Jul 07
Okay G-d exists and leprechauns and other illogical beings. That would be great, you don't have to believe in any of them. But I think it is great that they exist.And it doesn't matter if it is illogical to others, i do believe in G-d.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
24 Jul 07
Well to me there is a big difference between believing in a deity and worshiping them. I belive in all G-ds but I worship only one G-d.But if you are an atheist I can see how all of this seems illogical.
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
24 Jul 07
im just saying, it is illogical to believe in god and not believe in zues.
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@s_bala (75)
• India
2 Aug 07
If God exists so do the spirits and demons, and devis and goddesses. The spirit world is two sided; one on the God's side the other on the satan's side. God is all good and satan is all evil, evil that cannot be imagined using human mind.
Bible has an explanation to all questions, however, its effectiveness depends on whether we accept it or not.
For example bible talk about a universal catastrophic flood in the year 2,000 and 3,000 BC[before christ] And in the same book called Genesis is mentioned how God created all things.
Now scientist have no doubt that the flood mentioned in the bible was a fact.
refer :http://www.allaboutcreation.org/the-flood.htm
Likewise, scientists initially believed sun was stationary and never believed what was written in the bible hundreds of years ago that sun is not stationary or idol and that it does spin.
Likewise all the things mentioned in the bible is history and is recoded with dates and numbers giving us presise information and accurate information like our history text books.
@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
24 Jul 07
Well,You do bring up spme points, But wich is more illogical?
#1 The earth , Universe and everything suddenly appaired?
#2 A self sustaining universe that keeps creating new raw materials?
#3 A universe that defies the laws of phisics and thermo dynamics and never runs out of energy and never deteriates?
The main problem with people beleiving in God is us Christians, who like three year olds beleiving in the tooth fairy. We have got to stop insesting on a literal six day creation. As Jesus said we swollow a camal but we choke on a knat. The story of Creation is allogory and simbolic only. Moses was not alive and before him there were no writen accounts of creation, The story was handed down for thousands of years. There was a garden thogh, and a great flood even. But the rest of the story is full of truths that were told by songs and old stories that were made up to make it easier to remember some things in anciant history that needed to be remembered. For the names mentioned in Genises were names that ment what the person did. There are many religions but only one Creator.
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
24 Jul 07
the universe has always been, with no beginning and end. something that has always been, does not need a creator.
if you are to say that everything needs a creator, that rule is also bound to the creator.
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@BethTN81 (564)
• United States
25 Jul 07
fighting, many people believe in "illogical" things as hope. If believing in God, mythical creatures gives them hope then let them.
Would you tell my 5 year old Santa or the Easter bunny doesn't exist, knowing that would crush him to find out this fat man in a red suit is not real?
Eventually, he will grow out of that fantasy when he is old enough, but right now, him waking up Christmas morning and see toys under the tree thrills him. Why take that joy out of his life?
Why take it out of anyone's life? It is not hurting anyone to believe in something in their heart. As long as they don't abuse it, as in FORCING people to believe the way they do bc they feel it is the only way.
That is one thing I can't understand about certain religous people. They say "If you dont believe this way then you are going to hell." Who are they to judge?
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
25 Jul 07
hmm
why would you tell your children that santa exists in the FIRST place??
why not tell them the truth and say that it is a marketing tool used to sell crap..
why teach them about it, and then raise their hopes, and when they turn 11 they realize that it was a great big lie??
also, are you 5 years old? am i breaking your heart?
why give joy and take it away? thats worse than not giving joy in the first place... don't build a tower of hope, and when they grow up, knock it down..
people force it all the time, take creationism out of schools, take "nation under god" and "in god we trust" off the money because it wasnt there in the first place..
exactly, if there is a god, how dare you speak for him?
good movie about why atheists care:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4fQA9mt-Mg
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@BethTN81 (564)
• United States
26 Jul 07
My guess is you don't have any children. Santa, Easter bunny, the tooth fairy can build a childs imagination and stimulate their mind.
As a child gets older they understand the difference in reality and fantasy. Telling a parent they are lying to their children when they encourage them to use their imagination is ILLOGICAL! lol
There is nothinf more precious than the innocence of a childs mind. Remember that.
@lavenderoselilies (17)
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24 Jul 07
what people believe is there affair and yous hould critize other people belif even if you feel that it is not true. but just what created everying that is in existance?
@saptarshi_9999 (3)
• India
24 Jul 07
no body can ever prove the real existence of god,as it is not seen by anybody till date.firstly i want to say that i, though, believe in god but i don't believe in idol worship,i am more spiritual rather than religious . i do also believe that the existence of god is illogical.my god remains in my mind, heart & soul & i don't need any other god ,either in figure or in person ,to prove myself
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
24 Jul 07
arite, that makes sense (kind of), at least you accept its illogical.. are you a pantheist? or like a budhist? or a Zoroastrian? because these 3 beliefs have the same kind of system.. except pantheism says that "god" is not conscious and is found in the laws of nature, so basically, god is physics and chemistry..
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
27 Jul 07
I agree, that is why I bbelieve in anything. Well, except in the Religion of the Force (Star Wars) and in Pastafarism, for the moment. But I do believe in Silmarillion's religion. About leprechauns I have some doubts but if someone explains me what they are about, I will believe on them happily. Flying teapot it would be quantum physics, right? lol
@sandwedge (1339)
• Malaysia
2 Aug 07
...and most important of all, DOES MYLOT DECENT EARNINGS EXIST?
