Where is your comfort ratio in the cycle of giving and receiving?

Canada
August 2, 2007 7:35pm CST
This disucssion was prompted by the level of genunie support I received after saying I wasn't feeling well. Initially I wasn't going to 'fess up' and reach out because I am a relative newcomer to Mylot and wasn't sure it was appropriate. I am also used to having a 'presenting personna' of strength. Giving...of self, giving information, giving time and energy...that I can do with a high comfort level. Now receiving...that has been a really tough thing for me to do from a place of authentic acceptace. Having being raised in a proper old country home I was trained to be gracious when given compliments or positive feedback. However, it has taken me years (and I still struggle with it) to truly 'receive.' Since becoming a Mylotter the positive feedback and caring exchanges have awakened me that I have some work to do in raising my comfort level with receiving. So thank you one and all for awakening me to some inner stirrings that need to be revisited. What a great bunch you are! Good to be back..look forward to continuing our interesting disuccsion forums...at your place or mine! So if we were to frame this discussion on a scale of 1 for a low comfort level and 10 a high comfort level with both giving and receiving how would rate yourself? If you'd be willing to explain what or why you have the given yourself the rating you have that would be great! Looking forward to hearing what you have to say...we all benefit from each other's wisdom because I beleve we are students and teachers to each other on this grand classroom we call life.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
3 Aug 07
I just cant see myself rating myself on this . For I like you have trouble receiving. I just dont seem to be able to put that I have been sick on the net. For when I get sick it is something way out of line that maybe not printable lol or for me not printable. Now I can give with no problems but recieving thanks back is hard and most times make me feel funny for giving what I can and get thanks back . Ok thats me
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
4 Aug 07
Oh lord ya done it. I am blushing but am glad to have help in some little way hugs and blessings
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• Canada
5 Aug 07
You do...and you are...and I hope you can 'receive' that and take it inside. Hugs to you too!
• Canada
3 Aug 07
Your discomfort with receiving isn't really a huge surprise to me my friend from things you have shared in other discussions. You do seem very much like a giver/helper personality and I can respect how difficult it is for you to ask for help. It was somewhat challening for me to post the topic about feeling unwell..but it has helped me acheive a higher comfort level with receiving and I am grateful for that. It has been a very heartwarming experience. The suggestions were great. However, even more than the practicalities the feedback and encouragement allowed me to get in touch with the sense of connectedness that has developed with on-line friends like you and others. When I started Mylotting I wasn't sure where the road would lead...but in just 5 weeks I have come to truly value sharing with people I may never meet in person...but have some to appreciate in ways that is hard to explain. I do hope you will eventually allow yourself to receive some of the good you do for others...you are a loving presence in this world.
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
4 Aug 07
Caring about someone who is sick by giving them words of sympathy is simply courtesy and good manners. It something you should do with anyone... even if they are not your friends. On the giving and taking... in general those people who have a problem taking... don't like giving. Life should be about sharing... give and take. Unfortunately... because everyone is different... various degrees of giving and taking occurs... which creates friction. Many people spend their lifetime giving to everyone with very little recognition because the time and knowledge they contribute in helping others is not regarded as "giving" in our materialistic world where everything centre around money. This is particulary true when those people try to help people who are obsess with money. The person obsess with money usually only contribute money or presents in way of giving to the less fortunate. Not only does it make the giver feel superior... but often that person gives with expectations to get something in return for its money. Some people will take until you have nothing left to give... and then drop you like an old sock. That's when you have to learn to take. Today... I have a new policy. I only give when I truly want to give... without any expectations of getting something in return. That is the only way to go if you don't want to get disappointed. Expectations are the curse of our life. It destroys love, relationship, marriage, friendship and even businesses when the clientele expect too much. Without expectations... life would be a lot easier for everyone. People need to learn to do things for the right reasons... without putting pressure on others through their expectations. There is decency in everyone of us... and I truly believe that people would be more likely to help each other if they were not put under pressure to do so.
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• Australia
5 Aug 07
I thank you for your comments and I appreciate being appreciated. (smile) It is a nice change to talk to someone on the same wave lenght. I usually feel like I am talking to a brick wall. lol
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• Canada
6 Aug 07
You are welcome. I was delighted when you accepted my friends request. I had seen your articulate responses on other sites and knew you would add some interesting perspectives...and I haven't been disappointed. Look forward to keeping the flow going as more interesting topics come up...here or on your site.
• Canada
5 Aug 07
I hope you know that I sincerely appreciate your additions to the various topics here. The open, honest, up-front way you state your viewpoints makes powerful statements. I value that because I love to think...and appreciate it when others say things that give me reasons to stop for a moment and go...hmmmmmmm...didn't quite 'think' of that point; but it is a good one! I find myself doing that with your talking points...so thank you. Your comments about letting go of expectations is huge for me...I have just learned to look at life through that lens in the last few years. Yes, I have also been there where you give until you have nothing left...and then have been dropped like an "old sock." Very appropriate descriptor. So yes, I now try to remember what a wise Buddhist teacher taught in a class I took. He said, "The root of all our suffering comes from our attachements and expectations." It does make like easier...and simpler. I agree with your perspectives on this one too, especially your closing comment that "people would be more likely to help each other if they were not put under pressure to do so." How true that is. Thank you for once again adding some valuable insights...your presence here is appreciated.
3 Aug 07
On a scale of 1-10 for giving I would rate myself very high. I am good at helping people and supporting them in times of need. I will be brave and stand up for people who do not have the confidence and I have been thanked for this. So I would rate myself as 7/8 as sometimes I can be selfish and just want some me time. However, on a scale for receiving I am way down the scale. Only last week I was told how good I was at my job in helping kids with behavioural problems and one woman told me she spoke about me in her interview to study to become a teacher. I was told I under estimate myself and always think the worse, when people are thinking the good. I do find it difficult to accept praise and tend to shrug it off. So I would rate myself as a 3/4, going red while writing this now.LOL What I have found interesting is children nowadays have alot more confidence than in my generation. I feel alot of parents, not all, do take time to praise their kids which gives them alot of self-esteem. In my days it was not such a big issue, and we were brought up in families that practiced what was traditional to them, without the influences of outside agents. To me, this has been a good thing in alot of cases, especially when kids do not recieve this at home. I know my children are alot more confident than me, but I do make sure they are polite in their manners as there is nothing worse than an arrogant person who has too much self-confidence that they do not appreciate anyone else around them.
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3 Aug 07
Wow, my receiving rate has definately gone up to a 5/6 after your kind words. Thank you:0)
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• Canada
3 Aug 07
Good to hear my comments had that effect. Maybe with our awareness about a lower comfort level with receiving we can find new ways to pause and breathe in positive feedback. If we can open our hearts and minds to ourselves then it might be possible to eventually raise the frequency until there is an equal balance in our ability to receive and...of course give.
• Canada
3 Aug 07
Your views on this topic are greatly appreciated they present a very balanced perspective. I agree with your parting statement about arrogant, puffed up people with an inflated sense of themselves. It does take a lot of honest self-assesment to be able to evaluate our strenghs and weaknessess objectively. I also value your honesty about feeling the 'awh,gosh, shuckins' blushing part of acknowledging the validation of your talents and abilities at work. Being able to receive things and truly take it in seems to be far more challenging for people that giving positive feedback to others. Your ability to stand up for others in the face of controversy is admirable...some cave in circustances like that...so good for you! Your kids are fortunate to have a parent that has assisted them in developing a healthy sense of self. As a life coach and group leader I see the long term effects from living with parents who diminish their children's core essence by not giving them positive reinforcement. Sounds like your family members, students and coworkers benefit from your approach....so drum roll....ItTakesAllSorts...sound of hands clapping here hope you enjoy your applause...you deserve it. No blushing...it isn't bragging when you do it!!!!!LOL
@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
3 Aug 07
Oh, me too. Giving is much more comfortable than receiving. While I am grateful for the person's generosity I don't like feeling needy. And asking for help is really a challenge for me. Of course, as I age and as I deal with chronic illness I am getting lots of lessons in this category. I am on the receiving end of help daily and sometimes have to ask for help. So it is getting easier with practice. But it still isn't that comfortable. Being one of the most independent of types, I like to think I can do anything that needs to be done! :-)
• Canada
3 Aug 07
Boy I sure relate to everything you've said. Sorry you are having to learn about receiving through your health challenges. The Universe works in mysterious ways and creates some unusual circumstances to heighten our awareness. You appear to be a very generous person and it doesn't surprise me that you would have a higher comfort level with receiving. But like you I have had to become more open to receiving help that I used to be. My hubby's health challenges this past year created a shift in my thinking. The support we received showed me that even though I am still very independent by nature I am willing to allow others to assist if they offer and ask if I truly could use their help. I am slowly learning that allowing others to be there creates a different level of trust on both sides. Within this dynamic do you also have difficulty in receiving compliments or really taking in when people validate who you are and what you do? It is another level of receiving that I notice many people have a very low comfort level with. I apperciate your comments as always...because you do say interesting things!
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• United States
3 Aug 07
I think it depends on what the compliment is for. If I know I've done a good job and someone compliments me on it, my "thank you" is sincere. If I don't think I did well my "thank you" is polite. I am not comfortable with compliments about my appearance because I have still not come to like my appearance much. My partner compliments me and I don't always feel it is merited, except that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think my partner is a bit prejudiced. :-)
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• Canada
4 Aug 07
From what you said about who you are and the work you do with others I can understand why you find receiving more challenging. Maybe it is your turn for awhile. The giving and receiving ratio is something many struggle with...and I am sorry you are learning to receive because of your health challenges. Prayerfully your healing journey will lead you to a place where you have less pain...that is my sincere wish for you.
@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
4 Aug 07
Hello Perspectives! I will have to deal the issue in two different ways to cover my whole view about this issue. First: I think my comfort level with giving is 9.5. I love to give, just about everything that I have and I can, if it can help someone. I have a very simple life even though I can afford a much better 'material' standard of life. My partner is like me. We have a simple philosophy that what we have beyond our basic necessities is not ours, It's for someone who deserves it more than us. Most of my free time after 10th grade was spent in non-profit organizations working for welfare of society in general and students in particular, hence taking my time, energy and resources. I have also risked my life in those situations. I feel very relaxed and comfortable while giving. I got this attitude from my parents, who inherited it from our Grand parents who in turn took it from our great Grand Parents and so on. For about one and a half millennium years my family is known for bravery, Charm and generosity. Every male and female in our family have same initial first name (it can also be called family name in our tradition) since that time. The opposite is true for receiving. I never liked to receive something even from my parents. It's a long story as to why I developed this attitude. I have had people get angry with me because of my refusal to receive. The problem became or appeared more severe last year when I lived in a shared accommodation with my friends studying here with me. I would pay a single penny involved when others bought something for common use and would not ask for a single penny when I purchased something for common use. My friends started moving away from me over this, so I got a little better after talking to them, in this field. Still I would describe my comfort level with receiving to be between 1 and 2. There is another side to it though, which I'll try to explain. When I say that I 'give', I "factually" do not believe it, it is just an expression. Being a believer in a single deity, I believe that I have nothing to offer, since, to offer, one must 'have' something. All what I have is gifted by HIM (excuse the male pronoun, as I don't have a proper pronoun for GOD) and actually belong to HIM. It's not about just money thing, it's about everything; The hand I offer to help, the legs to walk along with someone, the eyes seeing someone in need, the tongue to offer comforting words, the heart to feel for everyone in HIS creation, the ears to hear a cry of help, everything belongs to HIM. Thus it's not me who is giving but the GOD who is giving through me. I am only the 'means' or 'source' or an 'executor' of that giving, nothing more. So, in this perspective, how can I tell about how giving I am, when I haven't given even a single thing from myself? If I see it in another perspective, I am actually as comfortable in receiving as I am in giving. For, when I give (as an executor of this process), I receive satisfaction, the bliss, the happiness, the sense of fulfillment and accomplishment, the feeling of being a human beyond my selfish self, freedom from lust and greed, humility, pride of being a GOD's hand, and much more. The most important thing that I "receive" while "giving" is the closeness with GOD and a step further in HIS vastness. So, I can say that I receive much more when I give, which perhaps makes me much more comfortable with 'giving'. I don't know if I am understandable, but I did enjoy replying to your post.
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
5 Aug 07
You are welcome Perspectives! I am glad that you find some of my responses to other discussions as insightful even though they are nothing more than some crude words from a junior student. I find a lot of wisdom around and spend most of my time reading the knowledgeable contributions, made by great many people, including yours. Reading those, I find myself nowhere close to at 'giving' end, It's there that I 'receive' the most.
• Canada
5 Aug 07
Before responding...let me say I am happy you enjoyed replying to this post...and I am also appreciative of your expansive, well thought out response. Thank you for taking the time to add your perspective...and yes, it is very understandable. I have been intrigued by your answers to other disucssions and always find your views very insightful. Your spiritual viewpoint sounds very similar to the prayer by St. Francis..."Dear God...make me in instrument of they peace." From all that you have shared here it sounds as though you are doing everything you can to walk your talk...and truly be that instrument...and that is admirable. Hearing that you can accept the joy of receiving is aligned to a philosophy my Mom raised me with...and that is "What goes around...comes around." So from what hear in your responses to this topic you appear to have the cycle of giving and receiving in equitable balance. I know from experience that unconditional giving brings great joy...and now that I learning to feel more comfortable with receiving life does feel, rich, full and truly blessed. Thank you for your generous offerings here...I look forward to chatting again.
@jcj_111776 (3216)
• Philippines
3 Aug 07
Hello Perspectives. I'm a person who would like to help others because it's nice to end my day knowing that somehow I have helped another human being. But then, I'm still human, prone to be a little selfish. If I could give myself such rating, I guess it's have to be an 8. Why 8? Because I can't give myself a perfect 10, knowing that there are times that I do can give others my help but I choose not to. There are times that I stop giving my help because I feel I'm being taken advantage already. I don't give help because I want something in return. I'm not that kind of person. But I do give help for those who really needs it. But if I feel that my giving of help is being abused, I start to put on the brakes. It's nice to be on the receiving end sometimes but I feel much better when I'm the one who gives.
• Canada
3 Aug 07
Well you are certainly not alone in that department. As I read over and respond to the comments of others it would seem most people struggle when on the receiving end. I admire the fact that you have enough insight to know when to draw a safe boundary for youself when people try to take advantage of your good nature...that is very healthy. When people cannot do that they often end up enabling others and that can create serious problems for all concerned. In my view uncondtional 'no strings attached' giving is truly spiritual giving. However, I am learning that being able to receive also nourishes our souls and can keep us strong enough to keep giving to others. During the last couple of years I have learned from personal experience that it is important to allow things to flow back towards us. It is the natural ebb and flow of our Oneness with each other and our connection to Source. Your participation in the topic is always welcome..and your views here are enlightening...thank you.
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• Canada
5 Aug 07
My goodness I can appreciate why you wouldn't be comfortable in receiving ANYTHING from a person who makes it so conditional. It sounds as though he is giving to inflate his own sense of worth rather than giving from a place of love and support. So I absolutely agree with you...I'd rather not take anything from someone with those motives either. I think anytime there is an ulterior motive for giving or people take without any sense of appreciation..then the whole balance of things is thrown off. Perhaps the cylce of giving and receiving has to be done with love and care...and when there is a feeling of balance. You have raised some good perspectives here...and I thank you for adding those points to the discussion. Those are sides that definitely need to be considered.
• Philippines
4 Aug 07
You're right that it also helps when we're at the receiving end sometimes. It's like you're being replenished after giving so much of you. But I sometimes refuse to be at the receiving end if I'm certain that the giver has a negative motive. For example, I know a certain relative of my father who's always ready to reach out and "give a helping hand". But this relative will always remind us that we should be thankful for what he's done. I grew up having that kind of thinking that maybe it's better to not be at the receiving end if only to be reminded again and again that we should always be grateful and thankful. It's like a slap on the face and an insult. To be frequently reminded that we have a debt that should never be forgotten.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
3 Aug 07
Great question!!!! Giving- I would rate a 9. I am very comfortable about doing so, but I am also opinionated as well. I will give and give as long as I know I am not going to be taken advantage or I am not enabling someone. Receiving- ha 1! I was raised in an Irish household and pride was the number one lesson we learned early. I am not saying it's right or wrong, I am just saying this is what happened. We were raised to be givers but it was a sign of weakness to receive. So if we were sick, we continued to do our chores and what was expected of us and we didn't accept help. I am now working as an adult to over come that impulse to refuse help. I have learned it's not so much for me as it is for the person to do it, you know? I think when someone really wants to do something for you and refuse to let them, it's kind of insulting to them.
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• Canada
3 Aug 07
Thanks...I am glad you like the question. Wow...I see another parallel in your upbringing, mine and my hubby's. My family of origin is steeped in British, Irish and Scottish history. My husband is an Irishman too and had an extremely hard time in asking for any kind of help...and in the last couple of years that lop- sided way of life caught up with him with a series of health challenges that affected him...and indirectly me in every area of our life. In giving so much to others without out much thought for the impact it was having on him the Universe got his attention and said..."LOOK AT THIS...THINGS ARE OUT OF BALANCE." As group leaders and life coaches we were way more comfortable in giving...and our family upbriging was similar to yours...cannot show weakness..keep up appearances...don't disclose family problesms. However, our challenges brought us to a place in life where we were 'forced' to admit that we needed help...and we finally 'got the message.' As we faced my hubby's health challenges together we discovered who our true blue friends are..and what a blessing they have turned out to be.My husband and I have no extended family...our parents are gone...no siblings and so our friends are the closest thing to family we have. They gave unconditional love, support, encouragement and understanding and they 'taught' us the importance of allowing others to give in our hour of need. This point hit home for me when I tentatively decided to fess up to the fact that I wasn't feeling well to the Mylotting community. Part of me thought...why should people I have never met concern themselves about someone they've only known for the 5 weeks? But you know what...I had another mini ephiphany as I read responses from you and others. You do care...and so do I. Even though I didn't spend much time on line...I'd come up to the office and read the caring words...and it was very nurturing. It is rather amazing to me how connected I actually feel to some of you...and I had that coming back at me...and it is a blessing. This experience shows the importance of being able to receive...to take the positive energies behind the words and actions and let it be the wind beneath our wings. I can see that the ability to receive fuels the ability to give more. Your comments about refusing to accept those who want to give...is rude..you are so right about that. Even shunning a compliment is a slap in the face...as if we don't value the perspective of the person who offered it. Thanks for adding so much valuable insight to a topic a lot of us are still working on. Good to know we're in it together! Maybe we need to have a rah-rah section on our sites...where we could list ways we broke through another level of comfort in being able to truly receive what others give to us.
@raijin (10345)
• Philippines
3 Aug 07
I always believe in "spreading the word," that I love to share good moments whenever I see someone sad. I always give my best to let them know how fruitful life can be, that giving is good more than receiving!;) For me, I give everything I can even if nothing would be left for me. That is one way for me to help those who are in need, with nothing to expect that I would be receiving something from them also. I only expect that God sees this, as He knows everything little thing I do. I believe that my own ratio of giving would be at around 7, because at times I cannot give what I don't have to those who needs it. At receiving, I believe that I am at around 3. Because there are folks that insists me to take their gifts or present, on lessons learned from day to day life..
• Canada
3 Aug 07
Welcome back raijin..your presence always shows the light side of your viewpoint and it is appreciated. Your appear to be doing your best to walk your talk...and I am sure those around you appreciate your giving nature. It is interesting to read that you are more able to give than receive. Part of what assisted me in working towards balance within the two was when a Pastor reminded me that the Golden Rule says...Love/treat others as you would yourself. Not...love others more than Self...but in equality. In my work as a life coach and group leader I see many who only give but cannot nourish their own inner wellsprings often eventually they end up having nothing left to give. Self care and pausing to refill spiritual reserves is how I am able to continue to offer my love, care, support and compassion to others. The support being offered to others through Mylot reminds me that we give and receive to each other in a natural cycle of unconitionalality. As I have said before knowing how many bright, beautiful light workers there are out there truly does make the world feel like a warmer place than before I connected with many of you here.
@miamilady (4910)
• United States
5 Aug 07
Giving...6 or 7 Receiving...6 For me I'm almost equally confortable with giving as I am with receiving. It boils down to the "do unto other's" idea. If I see a person and need and I can help them without feeling taken advantage of. I think that is an important factor for me. Maybe it's somewhat selfish, but if I do something for someone or give something to someone, I like to feel it is at least somewhat appreciated. If someone wants to or can help me out at times, I feel that I can accept that help graciously. I don't feel too guilty about it, because I know that if the circumstances were reversed, I would do the same. But I would not abuse a person's generosity. I think give and take is important in friendships and in all types of human relationships. One person cannot accomplish everything by themself. We all need a little help from time to time. We all need to work together to accomplish the greater tasks in life.
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• Canada
5 Aug 07
Hello again... I really like your open self-honest approach when you post things! How refreshing it is to hear that ease within the cycle of giving and receiving. I must admit that I have some similar feelings about hoping that my efforts are appreciated. In my upbringing and 'attitude of gratitude' was very important. I think if we were all really honest...part of the joy in giving is knowing it added to the quality of another's life. When it isn't expressed...it does feel somewhat flat. So I am on the same page there. I also agree with what you have said that we are not meant to be islands unto ourselves and that giving and receiving assistance when it is appropriate makes life a litte sweeter. Great response..thanks for adding to the topic in your inimitable style!
@clocks123 (1225)
• United States
4 Aug 07
give and it shall be given unto you it says in the Bible we don't give to get but to do what is in our inner beings and the positive results of that is receiving what is coming back to you. you are a special unique individual who has and can give-- so try to receive with which you truly deserve
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• Canada
5 Aug 07
My goodness...what a lovely thing so say. I am working on it...but I find it somewhat challenging. Having such on open, honest observation from you certainly gives me reason to pause...thank you for that reminder and the genuine acknowledgment. I appreciate your quote from the bible and that has been my experience in life. My Mom raised me with a 'what goes around...comes around' attitude that has always proven itself to be true.