Emotions and an 11 year old...HELP!

@soccermom (3198)
United States
September 6, 2007 6:34am CST
As some of you know I have an "awkward" relationship with my mom. She's one of those people that if you try to discuss how she makes you feel with her she turns it around to make you feel like you're crazy and totally invalidates your feelings. Well now she's turned it onto my 11 year old daughter. My daughter made the school soccer team. I told her this means she has to make a decision, play for the school or play for AYSO, she can't do both. Her response was "if I play AYSO maybe grammy will come to my games, I don't think she'll come to my school games." I told her I'd support any decision she made, but I wanted her to look at it this way, grammy hasn't come to a game in over a year anyway, and if she really wants to get better and doesn't jut want to have a good time she should play for the school. She shouldn't worry about something grammy may or may not do. My daughter broke down in tears. She said since her aunt is pregnant grammy doesn't care about her. Which looks to be the case. I told her to call my mom and try to talk to her about it. She did, and all my mom said to her is "That's ridiculous, what do you expect out of me?" Which just upset my daughter even more, at 11 she knows action speaks louder than words. How do I explain to her how my mom is? I've been dealing with this attitude for years and have learned not to depend on or care about what my mom thinks. But my kid is only 11, and has always looked up to her grammy even tough the woman never deserved it. What can I say to my daughter? Or is this a lesson she needs to learn herself?
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7 responses
@sephrenia (567)
6 Sep 07
I think this is one of those cases that letting your daughter find out for herself is the best way. You say that she totally looks up to your mum even though you think she doesn't seem to deserve it, I figure if that's the case then your daughter will think your just trying to put her off being friends with your mum or just trying to trash her. It's one of those things where if you talk to her about it, it may just make it worse. I think the best course is to let her find out for herself about her grammy and be there to hold her when she sees the truth.
@uath13 (8192)
• United States
6 Sep 07
Exactly what I was going to say.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
6 Sep 07
My daughter is seeing the truth, and I think part of the problem may be that I want to protect her from going through feelings that I did when it comes to my mom. But you're right, she will more than likely have to figure this one out herself. My daughter has always been aware of the tension between my mom and I, we don't even have to speak to feel it. On one hand I want to confront mymom and say "do you know what you are doing to your granddaughters self esteem?" but on the other hand I know it would be pointless.
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• India
7 Sep 07
First and foremost I had a big laugh when I say your avatar. It’s the same as I have on my desktop LOL! Now coming to your discussion, I agree that it would be best for your daughter to find it out for herself. Her grammy is your mother and she holds both of you in extremely high esteem. It would further confuse her tender mind if one started bad-mouthing the other. Max you can tell her that grammy is a bit miser on showing emotions and if she wants to please grammy, it would be a waste of time. but that doesn’t mean that grammy will not love her, its only that she (your daughter) should have better things to do than just pleasing grammy. Also when the baby is born, maybe grammy will give it more attention and then you will have to tell your child that its because the child needs more attention and gradually and slowing you will have to wean away your child from your mom. This will not happen overnight and any rash action or harsh words against your mom will only aggravate the situation and you never know, your daughter may even hold this grudge against you when she grows up.
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• India
10 Sep 07
Glad to be of any help. The reason why i wrote about the 'grudge' part was out of personal experience. you see, my mom and my paternal grandma never got along well. i was definitely not in a postition to understand what went wrong or whose fault was it, but i was brought up to believe that my grandma was a perfect gorgon always baying for my mom's blood. i could never be close to my grandma and this 'constant input' kind of embittered my mind both against my mom and my grandma and though maturity has mellowed the feeling, yet i still feel that i should have been allowed to know my grandma in my own way, rejection or acceptance whatever be the case.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
10 Sep 07
Well it almost came to a head this last Saturday. We went to my moms for a cookout to celebrate her birthday and my grandma wasn't invited, which really stunk because my daughter and I spent the day with my G-ma. We are refinishing our downstairs and my G-ma bought my daughter this really cool new rug for her room. So we get to mymoms and she had been drinking and was going off on my daughter about "lucky you, G-ma bought you a rug", all sarcastic, and my daugher was like "I like the rug". And my mom wouldn't quit, so I let her have it as politely as I could without spoiling her birthday party. Just another way she tries to make my kid feel bad, because she loves her great grandma?!
@soccermom (3198)
• United States
7 Sep 07
I never thought about it that way, "hold this grudge against you when she grows up". Thanks for the advice. I had to step back and remind myself what it felt like to try to jump through hoops to win my moms approval, and what it felt like when I slowly started to realize it didn't matter what I did.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
6 Sep 07
KIds at 11 are pretty smart and she probably know for she get s the feeling but may not know how to handle it just right. You may try to point out something your mom has said or done to you that she said to you maybe that would help her get the point of your mom and what she can do to hurt yours or her feelings hope this helps
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@tutul0045 (2630)
• India
6 Sep 07
Hi, Yea u r right she needs to learn the lesson herself. Anyways u got a tremendous display image, u have any other like these? Cheers, Tutul
@tutul0045 (2630)
• India
7 Sep 07
ohh too bad, lol
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
6 Sep 07
Unfortunately I don't have anymore avatars like this, I needed help from a fellow myLotter just to get this one to work! LOL
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• Abernathy, Texas
11 Sep 07
This avatar was perfect for this discussion.
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• Canada
11 Sep 07
This is a sad situation, but so common. My heart bleeds for your girl, because nothing she ever says or do--or for that matter, nothing you ever say or do--will ever make your mom take the focus off of herself. I don't exactly know how to approach it myself, but I think it would be a good "anchoring" process to tell your daughter that the best road to happiness is self acceptance and not needing somebody else to validate one's worth, and not to ever allow anybody permission to whack at your self esteem. That's surrendering your power! I guess it is pretty crummy behaviour for a grandmother to play off one's own daughter against a granddaughter, or another granddaughter with another one. That is SOOO petty manipulation. Anyway. With regard to which team to play for: Ask your daughter where she feels she will grow more, where she will be challenged more, where she feels good if she were to succeed, more. Tell her that the best way to grow is to go where no one else will gauge how far you've gone but yourself. In the meantime, I will try to keep a wide berth when it comes to your mother. She sounds pretty toxic to me, pardon the bluntness. Life's rough enough as it is without having to court more unpleasantness. I guess in my old age I have found that if I am not happy where I am being dragged off to, I'm sitting on my haunches and braying "Hee-haw!!!" And bite the arm of whoever is trying to drag me. And I wouldn't care what others say. I don't already anyway. Tell your daughter that true love is unconditional. "Pretend love" is used as a weapon by people with tiny minds, shrunken hearts, and stunted emotions. Ask her what kind of love she thinks her grammy is handing out. Your girl may be smarter than you think and surprise you. May the Force be with you, dear SM, and tell your daughter that she is all she will ever need. Ever.
• Canada
11 Sep 07
You ARE doing a good job! And don't ever let anyone else minimize that! BTW, your daughter and her jersey reminds me of when my favourite soccer player (she is now 24! imagine that) was picked to play for the school team. By then, she had been playing for about three-four years (and winning trophies, if I may brag), but when she wore her new jersey to school (and they gave her her league number too, which is "11") she was cool about it but I knew she was thrilled and proud. ANYWAY. I think our daughters are cool. And so are we, the proud--albeit anxious--Moms. Hugs to you and your daughter, SM, and blessings!:-D
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
6 Sep 07
I am so sorry to hear about that. Look, this is how I feel. If your mom does that to you, it is one thing. Doing it to an 11 year old child is another. I would call her and tell her to stop doing that to your daughter. It breaks her heart and you won't allow that from anyone in the family. Your daughter deserves an apology that's for sure. Other than that, I think your daughter already knows the score on your mom. She just needs your reaffirmation that she is a good kid, she doesn't deserve that kind of treatment from anyone and explain to her that grandma has SAR's disease (She Ain't Right) lol.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
6 Sep 07
I told my daughter last night that she has me and her step dad and we won't miss a game for anything, and she was like "yeah, but your my parents, it's expected." My mother would swallow her own tongue before she'd apologize. She suffers from IAR's (I'm always right) also. I talked to my grandma last night, mym mom can't stand her but I adore her and told her I was close to the boiling point. Even she said what's the point of opening that can of worms, everyone sees her for what she is. Ya gotta love family!
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
7 Sep 07
Your family sounds very similar to my fathers side of the family. It is difficult to handle sometimes especially when there are kids involved and their feelings as well. I hope your daughter does understand that grandma's behavior has nothing to do with her, but her grandma's own emotional issues. I have had to have that talk with my own daughter. My mom and me didn't have the best relationship for the longest time and she took a lot of stuff out on me in front of my daughter and sometimes to my daughter as well. So I had to do the same as you.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
7 Sep 07
Tell her the truth for the sooner she learns of it the better. Also be open to the idea that she may not like what she hears but tell her the truth anyway. She's old enough to know so she can be better prepared for anything her grandmother might say. Tell her it's ok to still love her grandmother but to keep tight lid on her feelings because she can be so brash and hurtful. If she learns it for herself without your telling her then it could come back on you with a "why didn't you tell me?" and I'm sure you don't want that. It still could come back at you but at least you warned her. Just talk to her alone and explain things to her and being that it's coming from you, she'll be more recepticle to the information but then again maybe not but at least you told her.
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