How do we reach "secularists", one with no visible interest in God?

@lena2000 (2392)
Belgium
September 8, 2007 3:50am CST
How do we reach these four categories of "secularists"? 1. The Secular Intellectual - the scholarly type who doubts the Bible is inspired, the existence of God and organized religion. 2) The Secular Hard Hat - the working class types or factory laborer who works hard all week and wants only to relax, drink beer, and watch the ball game on weekends. 3) The Secualr Religious Dropout - the social activist whose parents were members of organized church but they aren't; they are interested in the moral ethic of Christianity but not the Christ of Christianity. 4) The Secular Materialist - the young urban professional whose goals are a beautiful home, high-paying job, nice car, and great vacations.
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@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
8 Sep 07
Ya know I have to admit that your question IMO is just another way of saying "how do we con nonbelievers into believing" I'm sorry but you dont need to "reach" anyone....We all make our choices for very valid and personal reasons...those of us, myself included (I WAS a believer btw), dont' need to be "reached".....So why can't you just leave it be? We are happy to follow whatever it is we do and you should be happy for us for the fact that we've found OUR best faith/religion/path that helps us live happier, peaceful lives....and of course there are ppl who just have no interest in religion or spirituality at all and quite frankly that is totally up to them, maybe tht is what helps them live happier, peaceful lives...Nobody knows what we each need better than ourselves...
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@lena2000 (2392)
• Belgium
10 Sep 07
I understand we can't but the Holy Spirit can convict their hearts. However, we are to witness and share what we know. I don't think we can win them to Christ by trying to out argue them. I'm thinking that we need to be a friend and get a sense of their need. Maybe they need a happier marriage, friendship, better health, freedom from guilt or something satisfying. Christ did more healing and meeting peoples needs than preaching.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
9 Sep 07
I too reside in the home of the same kind of divine gods! They're calling for me to serve them right this moment and I must heed their call. Annie
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• Philippines
8 Sep 07
A true Christian seeks those who are lost even though they do not know that they are lost. In Mathew 28:16-20, Jesus gave The Great Commission. In verses 19 - 20 it has been said "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of age." Remember, it is a command, not a suggestion. Reaching out simply means sharing your own life testimony how you came to know God, or if not, showing it through your actions that would amaze them. Certainly, they will then ask you what's with you that they do not understand. Just tell you have Jesus Christ in your life, and that makes all the difference. :)
@lena2000 (2392)
• Belgium
10 Sep 07
My thoughts are:Be real. Be transparent. Be "Christ with skin on". Jesus was what he taught. If Jesus is living in and through us, then He will do the teaching. There's an expression "faith is caught, not taught". Jesus was also highly educated - whether supernaturally so or just humanly so. The Hebrew way of living placed high value on seeking wisdom and knowledge as the highest prizes, not as the "means to an end" that our western culture views them as. Just check out Proverbs chapter 8. Now, we get educated so we can get a job. Then, education was the job, and being highly educated was the pay. Jesus built real relationships with people, and was able to "meet them where they were". He identified with them, cared for them, and served them with all he had. We should seek to do likewise.
• New Zealand
9 Sep 07
I think you have just answered your own question. Live the life - talking is not going to do it.
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• India
8 Sep 07
Love, love, love... and if possible talk. In talking I shall engage in a dialogue, looking at the possible logical outworking of each idealogies, including Christianity and comparing them. 1. To be intellectually honest one must not only critique others' religion, but must also be able to defend one's worldview or the ideology one adheres to. If one cannot defend one's position intellectually but knows only how to critique other position then one may fairly say that the person hardly has academic credibility. To the secular intellectual: How do you frame a coherent ethical system without God? From the beginning of human civilisation till now, who has really been successful in giving such an ethical system without anchoring the philosophy upon God? Having navigated these issue I would give a defence of Christian position. I believe many a time secular intellectuals are willing to listen to logical presentation of Christian position. Well, I wonder if anybody would read if the post is too long so I shall conclude here. With regards, headhunter525
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
8 Sep 07
There's a good chance you'll never be able to - which is something you'll have to come to terms with. The most annoying thing to someone who is not of your faith is a persistent pushiness when it comes to beliefs. The more you insist your way of life is best, the more likely you are to push them away. How to reach them in the best way possible? Live your life according to your beliefs, and let others live theirs. If they aren't happy with how their life or beliefs are, but see you're happy living your life and believing what you believe, they'd be more inclined to look into your religion. Whatever you do, don't ever tell people they're believing in the wrong thing, that they're lost, or that they're blinded by the devil, even if you may think they are. This is nothing short of counter-productive, and will do nothing but push them farther from joining your belief system. It make even cause them to be hostile towards your beliefs.
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• United States
9 Sep 07
I totally agree with you Latrivia, thanks for putting it into words that I couldn't think of earlier. I was trying to go in this direction with my first post in this discussion, but as you could see, I probably failed lol.
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@lancingboy (1385)
• United States
8 Sep 07
There are many people who prefer the universal facts of the universe. There is nothing wrong with knowing facts and being Christian of course. There are also those who are not Christian, but of other religions.
@lena2000 (2392)
• Belgium
10 Sep 07
The WORD of God says that No man comes unless the Holy Spirit draw him. I think you wait and pray until the Holy Spirit tells you to do something, and then follow that. Live your life before then praying for them. You can have all the game plans you want, but if the unction of the Holy Spirit is not there, you are on your own, working in the flesh.
@lena2000 (2392)
• Belgium
10 Sep 07
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. "Go...preach...witness...to all men...all nations...al creatures...unto the uttermost parst of the earth." Some of the best witnessing occurs when God sends someone smack into your path unannounced to you. Funny how he does that. You've got good forethought for seeking to have some knowledge ahead of time, to be, as Paul said "a Jew unto the Jew" and "a Greek unto the Greek". Apologetics is a worthy seeking on your part.
@yvonnee (23)
• New Zealand
8 Sep 07
I question the need to "reach" them. I believe it is for each person to find God in their own way.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
9 Sep 07
I'm afraid I must echo what some of the other posters have already said...why do you feel the need to "reach" them? I'm not a deeply religious person but I "think" I believe in God, however there are certainly plenty of times when I have my doubts. I was brought up in the church, I was involved with the church youth group and sang in the choir so I've had every opportunity to make my own choice as an adult. I respect your beliefs and I even appreciate that you feel it would be to the advantage of the secularists you write about to reach them and bring them into the "flock", or however you want to say it. I think in today's world with all the wars being waged in the name of religion, with the attempt by the religious right to mix politics with religion, with all the hypocrosy that's been exposed in those that were so quick to cast the first stone, many of these secularists you speak of are far less likely to change their minds any time soon. I agree with another poster who suggested - more or less, I'm not sure of the exact phrasing - that rather than trying to push your beliefs on others you should instead live your life and let others see that you're a good person and that you're happy and content in you life. Those who indeed feel they are "missing" something will reach our to you or others like you if they're meant to. Meanwhile, I'll always believe it's very possible to be a wonderful person and to live a very good charitable life even if you're not a Christian or any other religious denomination. Some of the "secular intellectuals" are such because they've actually studied theology and the bible and have come to the conclusion that there isn't enough evidence to support a religious faith in their case. Whatever anyone's reason is to believe or to not believe it is their own choice and it is not up to anyone else to try to change their mind. As has been said here already, trying to force it on someone who doesn't want it will only serve to push them further away. I say "live and let live" and treat people with kindness as your Jesus would want you to and you may find that kindness can be quite contagious. Annie
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• India
9 Sep 07
I think pushing your beliefs down other people's throat is bad. But when people say 'live and let live' they are urging other people to adopt their kind of philosophy...they are trying to convert others into their system. For example, even in religion shall we, citizens of the world, say 'live and let live' when adherents of certain religion consider certain peoples group to be untouchable, literally untouchable? Or shall we say 'live and let live' even to those people who exploit and suppress their political opponents? I think 'live and let live' is not a good ideology. What we rather need to do is try to cultivate the culture of listening and debating with civility. Because some of the ideologies are bad and destructive for the any civilisation therefore we have to 'expel' them from the society, but to do that we cannot expel the people. We rather must learn to discuss the issue or ideology with due respect for each individual. That is what university exists for. To learn wisdom. To acquire the knowledge of truth. And in the whole process sometimes a person will have to say that a particualar ideology or philosophy is bad and destructive. With regards, headhunter525
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Sep 07
You made some excellent points there. When I used the phrase "live and let live" I was referring mainly to the practice of trying to convert others to your own religious beliefs. I can't disagree with you that all cultures and lifestyles aren't acceptable and we should try to teach people and discuss with them how they could change for the better. I believe it's good to encourage people who are oppressed to stand up for their human rights and support them when they do so. I don't think that means we should take it on ourselves as a nation or government to try to force others to change over to our way of life. We've already alientated far too many of our former friends and allies! I'm all for doing all we can for those who are oppressed and abused in a peaceful and diplomatic way. Annie
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