Too sad. Why we must win the WOT
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
September 19, 2007 8:55pm CST
Professors fired and replaced by political hacks? Books banned and probably burned? Real education into the toliet? Higher education in Iran just about no longer exists? If these retards win, civilization is over. Read about it here.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/tehrans_campus_crackdown.htm
What do you say or think about this mess? Looks like the second coming of Hitler to me!
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
20 Sep 07
Hello redyellowblackdog!
I think the real nightmare for Iranians got over 28 years ago when they got rid of American backed tyrant Monarchy of King Reza Shah Pehlavi. Ever since the revolution succeeded there, despite over a million civilian deaths including oldsters, children and women but most prominently students, done by the continuous weapons supply by America, it has been hard for American establishments to concede their defeat. It has been hard for American establishments to accept the humiliation of two failed commando actions for the liberation of CIA agents, despite their claims of having the best commandos in the world. It has also been hard on American establishments that despite providing Chemical and Biological weapons to Saddam Hussein and causing another million Iranian and Kurds’ deaths , Iran could not be crippled. It has also been hard on American establishments that despite continuous and ever growing sanctions against Iran, since the revolution, Iran has continued to progress in science, technology and arts. There is a long list of failures and humiliation of American Establishments over Iran and their anger and frustration over Iran is quite understandable.
It has also been hard for the then bureaucrats, Military officers, and now their children, who were working under Shah and were enjoying privileges and luxuries, while Iranian common population was dying of hunger, were denied higher education by keeping it expensive, to swallow the fact that they are no more special in Iran and now a common person has much better earning and right to higher education by state funded inexpensive education. Those elites can't see poor people rising to their level.
The piece you shared doesn't surprise me at all, as the western, and especially the American media outlets have continually tried to undermine by ill reporting the progress in Iran and paint it's picture as if it is worse than the era of Shah, which can't be further from the truth. If you really want to know about Iran go there for yourself or see the U.N statistics before and after revolution. The propaganda against Iran was never so obvious for me until I saw world media reporting a student procession against government. The number of students weren't literally more than 40 and they were allowed to do it. But, what surprised me is that the same day, over a 100 thousand (yes…over 100,000) students came out on streets in favor of government but no western media had the courage to show it, why??? When over a million people protest against government in Lebanon, The American media stops showing them after few days because it was going against their agenda but less than 40 students are more important than 100,000 students!!! I really don't understand the hypocrisy of American Media. This was the same media who fooled American public against Iraq and Saddam Hussain. See for example this report:
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc
I wanted to comment on that news report, the link of which you provided, piece by piece but it is so much wrong that I don’t know from where to start. The figures are wrong, some events are fabricated and some are inaccurate. So, I’ll leave it for now but if you want, I will do it later.
What I can tell you for now is that the Iranian scholarship is much more mature, broader and much more in number than it was before revolution. Over whelming majority of students are with the government. Yes, there have been arrests but far less than depicted in reports and then the officials also showed evidences against those people. Had Iranian Government been so worried in their own universities, where they theoretically have much more control, then why would they send their students abroad on scholarship, where they have no control. Iranian Students have been coming here continuously and guess what? They are getting more scholarship than even the French students. This scholarship is being provided by the Iranian government. There are two Iranians working only in my lab and they are getting more scholarship from their government than myself (their Scholarship actually increases with number of family members). Why would a government who is so afraid of free thinking students in it’s own country would send students abroad to study freely, and then get back with French or German or European ideology and even give them money to carry out those studies and research? It doesn’t make sense to me at all.
Moreover, one of the Iranian students, who are working with me, just came back from Iran few weeks back. Though he is a Shia, same as the main denomination there, but he is not a fan of this government. Still, he told me that there is nothing like in Iran what is told here. He told me that I was myself worried as if conditions in Iran have worsen but contrary to that, there are many good changes there, Iran of today is better than what it was two years back when I left. He also told me that though he doesn’t like religious government too much but a poor person like him couldn’t ever get a higher education in France under Shah’s regime, which this government had made possible. The second one who is Sunni Kurd, from north west of Iran, again on scholarship from Iranian Government, is against the government as he should be because the form of government isn’t what he would like, being a Sunni but still, he tells me that though he doesn’t like the government but there are huge lies spoken against Iran here and in American media.
Both of them also tell me about problems in Iran but they are nothing of the scale that western media proclaims.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
20 Sep 07
It sounds like Iran helps their poor further their education more than the U.S. does. It's quite frightening how we don't know what we can believe from the media. After the lies the American people were told to get us to "go along" with the invasion of Iraq I question everything I hear or read, especially if something is supposed to have come from the Bush Administration. Also, I recall right after 9/11 a candlelight vigil in Iran for the victims was shown on the Emmy Awards that year during a tribute that was given to the other nations that had supported the U.S. following the attacks. When Bush included Iran in the "axis of evil" not long after that was the first thing I thought of. Those people stood in the streets and grieved with us now they were being labelled as "evil". I wish there were really a way to win the "War on Terror" but I don't know how it can be done until we start to think of everyone all over the world as human beings just like we are! Iran has a very young population from what I've heard and there's no better place to start ending hatred than with the youth of the world.
Annie
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
20 Sep 07
"Both of them also tell me about problems in Iran but they are nothing of the scale that western media proclaims."
Your knowledge of this subject far exceeds mine. Thanks, for the education. This is what is great about the internet and why governments everywhere are seeking a way to get in under control. With just an internet connection you are single handedly countering propaganda that cost a small fortune to produce. Keep up the good work.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
21 Sep 07
This is indeed truly sad. I was under the impression that the iranina people were a peacefull and moderate people. I was holding only the government accountable for it's actions in the world. I guess this changes everything, then doesn't it.
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@NeoComp (1316)
• United States
20 Sep 07
Yeah this is very sad indeed for knowledge is POWER.
And once again I will prove why the PEN is Mightier than the Sword!
If you think THIS is the 2nd coming of hitler get this.
Bush says he should be able to listen to ALL your private phones calls and e mails.
Bush signed secret SPP agreements that will along illeagal immigrants to enter at will. Oh and they will NOT get searched or will be be in trouble with officers.
YET for the US citizens he wants to force a REAL ID card with an RFID chip in it. With this chip, they can track and trace your every move and see where you are.
NO PRIVACY, NO FREEDOM , NO RIGHTS
Oh and it gets better. Bush has made an executive order, which makes him a Dictator who can take over all branches of the goverment... if the US is attacked.. or is he THINKS we are attacked.. Or if he thinks we are in a state of emergency...
Let's see.. RFID cards.. to enslave the people... The North American Union.... and the lost sovergnty of the US
and Bush Claiming dictatoship...
If that is NOT the 2nd coming of hitler.. then i DON"T KNOW.. what IS! lol
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
20 Sep 07
Well, sometimes we do get off track. No real harm that I see.
Karman's comments on Iran are back on subject. Wow, there is a lot going on we don't get to read about. I love the internet.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
20 Sep 07
Bush has been acting like a dictator since the beginning. The scariest thing is the people who would have been the first to scream their heads off if any other President had ever acted like him have simply laid down and taken it! "If you're not committing any crime you shouldn't worry who may be listening in on your private telephone conversations" some of my conservative friends have told me...SORRY, I still have the right to privacy and if I'm having a conversation of a personal or business nature I don't want anyone else listening in! My personal habits, my financial records and my medical records are nobody else's business! If someone is suspected of a crime let them get a warrant and investigate them the way our Constitution dictates. The way the media is "controlled" by this administration I wouldn't put it past them to fabricate an impending attack so Bush could declare Martial Law and then it would be all over for our liberties. Thanks for getting me fired up before bedtime...LOL
Annie

@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
8 Oct 07
The people who are opposed to doing anything to stop the terriorist dn't realize that they will be the first one to come under the "Reeducation" which may mean that their head will have to be removed to clean out all the impure thoughts. I Iran wins then we will not have to worry about gay marriage - there will be no gays in the new world order. Think of the money we will save on elections as the Mullas tell us who we can vote for and which candidates will be relocated before the election. Abortion will not be an issue women can have one on demand there will be a clinic just a stones throw away. Crime will reduced as criminals like gays and illegal immigrants will not exisist. We will have no more church state issues - the mullas will take care of that. Sounds like a near perfect world. Lets give up and surrender now to get the perfect world sooner.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
20 Sep 07
What is it with these people anyway.
Don't they realize that they are dooming their own future generations to limited knowledge?
Any idea that does not conform will be purged and any free thinking will be done privately.
There will be no technological advances to speak of, and Iran will soon be nothing more than sheep unable to think for themselves.
Their education is going to consist of nothing more than government sponsored propaganda.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
20 Sep 07
This doesn't suprise me a bit. It has been radical for decades now but soon enough he will be running a taliban style government. I guess all we can do is wait and hope. this may actualy be a good thing. After all wasn't it a student uprising that brought on the last revolution there?
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
20 Sep 07
There was a student uprising involved but it was window dressing. The real revolution was put on by the Mullahs and parts of the military that backed them. The majority of students, (young people) did not want the Ayotolla telling them what to do, what music to listen to, that they can't dance, own a dog,(unclean) and etc. The last revolution was a giant step backward and young people knew it.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
20 Sep 07
Yeh, your right. My understanding is that Iran's population is mostly younger people, educated, relatively nonseular and progressive. This is where the next revolution is going to have to come from. I think that we as a nation, if we wqant to see things change theree, should concentrate on assisting the dissenting groups there. Back them. change in Iran is going to have to come from with in.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
20 Sep 07
Kamran's rebuttal is a great response to this article. Try it on for size.
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