US Sues Illinois Over Database Used to Detect Illegal Workers

@speakeasy (4171)
United States
September 25, 2007 2:04pm CST
That's right - the federal government is sueing a the state of Illinois. Illinois has implemented a law FORBIDDING companies from signing up with or using the federal database Basic Pilot (recently renamed E-Verify). When other states are pushing employers to use the database (and in some states it is becoming mandatory that the database be used); Illinois plans to punish any employer in their state who uses it. See full article - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/washington/25immig.html?th&emc=th Illinois says the database is flawed and inaccurate and could result in legal residents losing their jobs. Actually, this would only happen if the employer did not follow the proper procedures when a problem is reported to them. If the number comes back as "no match"; the employer is supposed to first verify that the number was input correctly (no typos) and that the employee gave them the proper number (employee did not write the wrong number down accidentally). If the number comes back as an "incorrect match"; this means the employer needs to verify things like: whether or not the employee has moved recently and have the employee check into whether there is more than one individual using the social security number. (When 50 people are using the same number, all of them will be flagged including the correct user. This is actually a good thing; because, it lets the real owner of that number start investigating and freezing their credit, etc. Otherwise, they might not know what was going on until they got a huge bill from the IRS!) If employers do what they are supposed to do; the legal workers will be easily identified and separated from the identity thieves. I think Illinois is out-of-step with the rest of the nation and is trying to protect these illegal immigrants. What do you think? Who should have the final word on things like this? Can a state say that federal programs cannot be used?
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• United States
25 Sep 07
Hi Speakeasy, I had been reading articles about our Gov Rod Blagojevich supporting "illegal immigrants" and them working in our state. It angered me, and I tried not to read any more about it. I never really could understand why he would do that until I read your discussion. I guess I should have kept reading! It just made me sick to do so. I do think he is trying to protect him because of all the Fed tax breaks these employees get. It benefits him. It almost makes me happy that Im not working right now and paying taxes into our state supporting Gov Blajovevich. This summer he actually got boo'd by many patrons of the Springfield State Fair, after he failed to show up for the opening night parade like he should. I think the US is right to sue, but its really going to hurt our state and makes things more difficult for its residents. Great! Bay xx
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
25 Sep 07
Hi Bay, Regarding your comment "It almost makes me happy that Im not working right now and paying taxes into our state supporting Gov Blajovevich." Even if you are not working, I am sure you are paying taxes to the state with every purchase you make. Sales taxes, use taxes, property taxes, etc. A portion of all of them go to the state. Whether is actually hurts your state or not; and, how much, all depends on his response to the suit. If he gives in and reverses this law, that will probably be the end of it. Also, I do not know if he did this himself or not. If this went through the state legislature; they approved it first and he simply did not veto it. I do not know how contentious your citizens are there in Illinois. Here in AZ, if the politicians mess up, we start talking recall. They continue to mess up and we recall them. A couple of years ago, my town recalled EVERY member of the city council and the Mayor because they were not listening to the people and were doing business behind closed doors. Sometimes, it takes a lawsuit or a recall to get a politician's attention. Speakeasy
• United States
25 Sep 07
Yes I know my purchases are paying taxes, but not nearly as much as I would from a paycheck. I was just speaking from employment. The articles I read he was all for these laws, I would hope he doesnt do anything stupid. Im not really political but I know when something doesnt sound ehtical or beneficial and I know that is what our legislators and leaders are for, to make this a great place to live, not struggle. I dont know about Illinois either, but Im definately going to look into that. I never really thought about it. Thanks! Bay xx
@Bunsdk (242)
• Denmark
26 Sep 07
Is there even a need for a database like that? Im not familiar with how it is outside of my country in most cases, so Im a little in the blind here. I do think it sounds a bit like yet another decrease to freedom though.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
26 Sep 07
The only people whose "freedom" is in any way decreased are two groups. 1) People who are illegally in our country. They are not supposed to be here in the first place and are breaking multiple laws every day they remain here. These people are criminals. 2) People who are receiving welfare benefits from our government not to work becaseu of disability; BUT, are actually able to work and are doing so anyway. This is fraud and theft. These people are also criminals. Every US citizen receives a social security number which is used to track their income, provide disability income if they become disabled, and provide retirement income when they reach the appropriate age. This does not decrease their freedom. It ensures that they get the proper credit for the work they do here. Non-citizens who are in our country legally, receive a tax identification number which is similar and is provided to the employer for similar purposes. Once again, it does not decrease their freedom. If they later become US citizens, it lets them also receive credit for the work they did while they were non-citizens and if they return home (depending on the circumstances) some of those benefits will follow them.