DO I NEED TO SAVE THE FRIENDSHIP by FORGETTING HIS DEBT?

Philippines
October 8, 2007 12:45am CST
I have a friend whom I met accidentally in a mall foodshoppe. Theres no other vacant seat so I need to sit with him in one table. HE intriduced himself and so with mine. TO make the story short, we became friends. That was 3 years ago. LAtely, he has been borrowing money for some personal reasons. i didnt mind asking. so i let him borrow. I thought its just one, twice, but it became more often than normal. SO the amount borrowed accumulated to a bigger sum. Now that I need the money, I called him, sent him email or sms, but to no avail. Now, its been 3 months that we had no communication. I try to reach out, but he doesnt seem to care. Do i have to forget about the debt just to save the friendship? OR really collect what he owes from me and forget about the friendship?
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17 responses
@lexus54 (3572)
• Singapore
8 Oct 07
I can identify with your situation somewhat. I have many longtime friends. One of them approached me one day and said that in his dealings with his wealthy Indonesian customers, one of them asked him to help with a purchase of a house, but the person didn't remit money for a progress payment, so in order not to default he needed to raise some money first for the payment. As an old friend, I lent him several thousand dollars. He promised to pay me when he settled things with his client. Well, that was more than 10 years ago, and he hasn't returned the money yet. All these years, he didn't make any attempts to reach me to tell me his situation, or when he could return the money. He might have settled his housing situation with his client and have conveniently forgotten about my loan to him. For me, I am not trading our friendship with the debt he owed. Even if he didn't pay me, I still consider him a friend. But I am disappointed with him for being an irresponsible borrower. I don't mind writing off the debt (actually I have already discounted it) but I feel he should do the responsible thing, and tell me about his situation if he is in financial difficulties and still couldn't return the money. Keeping silence is I feel being irresponsible. One thing I have decided though is that I will not ever lend him money should he approach me again with another sob story about needing money. Since he has shown himself to be unreliable, and I will deal with him as such where borrowing of money is concerned. I think for your case, you can still try and reach out to him to collect what he owed you, but be prepared to write it off if he is purposely staying aloof and uncontactable. As for your friendship, it really depends on how much you value that with him.
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• Philippines
9 Oct 07
wow! that is even worse than mine. THat thousand of dollars man! and its been 10 years! i cant beat that! thank you so much for the reply! I appreciate that!
@jeanniemay (1798)
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
Whew! It is truly amazing to know fellows of same experience. For me, I met her through a common friend. We started a business together and helped her set up. Until I decided to let her do the business but I still earn from it though she is the one managing. I earn by certain percentage. What was so unfortunate was, I lend her money. For two months now, I have not seen her. Not even relying to my emails. But I'm just hoping that I can still get in touch with her. We cannot remain victims Josh, we can still save the friendship and yet can collect what they owed us. Anyhow, you can still pursue a legal action to collect what was owed to you. Tell your friend that since you cannot talk it on yourselves, you needed someone or a legal representation to mediate. Friendship still can be saved, maybe, it is a way to reach out. A great day ahead!
• Philippines
19 Oct 07
Yes, what is truly important is the friendship. Coming from the space of love and understanding. Our friend will come to realize how pitiful it is to let go of the friendship in such a way. We remain grounded to let the friendship not fail because of that circumstance or his/her betrayal. Destiny changes, you may be lucky today and they are not and tomorrow might be the best time for them. We just have to let go of the bad choice our friend made up. Let go and forgive. In a way we are maintaining our best instance and attracting more blessings at the same time. Spread the love!
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
Hi there Jeanniemay! Thank you for the reply! I am pretty sure that you know it feels huh. Do you feel like you have been betrayed by a friend, because I felt that! Well, to compare your experience to mine, I think that is much tougher. That is some business deal. I know that is something big. I agree with that WE CANNOT REMAIN VICTIMS here. But saving the friendship? That is now a questionable part. I have read through alot of responses on this issue, most of them advised to let go of that friend. I know its sad to do that but I think that is the only option that I can do. After all, I realized that its not my loss. ITs his. Further, I dont like to settle things legally, i have spent so much money out of the amout he borrowed from me. I dont want to spent another amount for my lawyer. I just leave everything up to that person. I would still be civil with him though, but he cant expect to have the same companionship he had with me before. Thanks again jeannie! I appreciate your reply! I really do!
@livewyre (2450)
8 Oct 07
First off you must know that lending money and friendship cannot co-exist easily. I have a philosophy about friends who need money and here is my approach: I don't have a lot of spare money as my wife stays at home to look after our little one. We carefully budget and are clear on how much spare money we have at any time. If I was to be asked for money I would explain that this amount (however much it was) was the money that I had spare for the month. This is my spare money and I am prepared to give it to you if you need it. I will NEVER lend money to friends or family (and I would NEVER borrow either). I can virtually guarantee that anyone who is a real friend will appreciate you sharing your spare money with them. If they ask to borrow when they already owe you money they are disrespecting you, and have no right to be regarded as a friend any more. If you want my advice, forget the friend and the debt, learn from the experience.
@livewyre (2450)
9 Oct 07
Of course you should not be disrespected by anyone, the fault is not yours, the fault is with the person who has no respect. You are clearly a gentle person who is worthy of respect. it is a shame that some people who probably have no shame and no respect even for themselves, have burdened you. At least you are in a position to move on and learn from the experience, those who have sought to take advantage are more to be pitied for their sad self-centered existence. Thank you for your kind words.
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
YOU GOT ME IN THERE HUH! I like that line when you said that IF THEY ASK TO BORROW MONEY WHEN THEY ALREASY OWED YOU, THEY ARE DISRESPECTING YOU. Well, you know what, that happens to me alot of times. Am i somebody worth to be disprespected? Or am just too easy enough to get fooled? I would not say that I dont know how to manage my finances. Of course everyone has its own style of managing them. But my weakness is that I really cant say NO to friends. Its just that this person, perhaps, has really good talent when it comes to borrowing money that it attacks your heart. So you feel sorry and pity for that person and ending up giving him some amount. Well, like you said! I WILL LEARN from that experience. I am so convinced to forget that friend and the debt. Thank you so much livewyre! I really appreciate that! And oh, by the way.. I LOVE THAT PHILOSOPHY! THat is something that I can take lessons with. Thanks again!
@poohgal (6845)
• Singapore
9 Oct 07
Hello there. I've similar experiences before. I am always the target of friends who wants to borrow money. Thank God they are usually not very close friends. Most of the time, I'll just lend it to them because I do not know how to reject. If they do not return after the promised date, I'll call or sms them. If they still do not return, I'll just let the friendship go and forget about the money. They are the ones who failed me and not me who failed them. Money is indeed the roots of all evil. In this case, money also helps us to see the character of a person. To be frank, since the amount is big, I think you should get back your money. It's your right. Give up the friendship as I do not think he is a worthy friend. If he is a worthy friend and he truly has no money to return you, he should at least call you to tell you instead of avoiding you. That's very irresponsible of him.
• Philippines
15 Oct 07
Thank you so much for the reply poohgal! I appreciate that. I agree with you that his act is IRRESPONSIBILITY!
@wasons (302)
• China
8 Oct 07
hello josh!i have a similar story about yours,i lent the money to a schoolmate of mine in my higt schoolhood,but he hasn't any action to pay back.and then many years passed,when i call him for the money every time,he always took excuse to refuse me.so far i won't call him any more,i think he utterly does not take me as a friend,so just forget the debt and the friend before.
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
HI there wason! Well, at least on your part, he answered your calls and make excuses. BUt as for me, he didnt get back to my calls. Isnt that nasty? I agree with you when you say that "I THINK HE DOESNT TAKE ME AS A FRIEND". yeah.. disregarding my call, my sms, my mail is something that i should ponder; signs that i should decipher. ANd ill take it from you, maybe he is trying to tell me that this person doesnt take me as a friend. ANd maybe, forgetting him and the money (#$%^&*) is the best thing that i can do. Thank you so much wasons! I appreciate your reply!
@wasons (302)
• China
9 Oct 07
hi my friend!i think friend isn't like that,just forget him,you would have a wonderful life.good luck!
• United States
8 Oct 07
Hi Josh, I dont think you should forgive the debt, but I dont think you should be upset with him either. Hes more and likely embarassed, Im sure, at the fact that he HAS asked you for this money and has no way of paying you back right now. 3 years seems to me a pretty serious friendship, you said this has only been lately. I dont know that kind of messages your leaving him, but if they are in any way threatening perhaps thats why hes not responding as well. Like I said, I dont know what your saying or how your saying it. Finanical problems are stressful in themselves. I would try to be supportive of my friend, try and work out a payment plan or something and just be a good friend. If you do that and he still doesnt respond, then I would just let it go, move on and be more careful about giving. Taking him to civil courts would require proof they were loans, if you have that, then take him to court. Bay xx
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
Hi there bayleighgray! Thanks for the response! I understand that the frienship has gone ups and down. 3 years is not something to sneeze off and just because of money, it halted. Reagrding on how I say to collect the money back, it wsant harsh. Infact, its the humblest request i did. It doesnt even sound collecting.. I sounded like Im borrowing from him. Initially, he mentioned that he'll deposit it in my account, but many sun and moon has passed, nothing came. I agree that FINANCIAL PROBLEM is truly stressful! If THe money that he owed from me caused him to get stressed, thats twice as much as IM getting. I would not care collecting that money if not into FINANCIAL STRESS. I would not care at all. That money is not just mere money. Thats a huge amount. I admire your good heart for having such positive mentality about frienship. I understand your point when you say that I can be supportive with him by working out a payment plan. THat did not work either. And yes, maybe its time to make the decision. LEtting go of a friend. But I wouldnt go to civil courts just for that. I have alreasy spent so much money out of what he borrowed, I dont want to spend another for my lawyer. THank you so much buddy for the advice! I really appreciate that!
• United States
9 Oct 07
I understand Josh, and your right, it would probably cost your more to take him to civil courts, and then you still might not get your money from him. Here in the states if you have a civil judgment against you and you fail to pay, you spend time in jail. Not sure how the Philippines do things as far as courts are concerned. But will that really do either of you any good? You still wont get your money back. Its a tough one, Im really sorry that you had the trust for a person and they stiffed you. I guess your best best is to just write it off as helping someone in need and pray that you dont fall prey to "helping" friends in the future. I cant stand people like your so called "friend". What a shame he did this too you. There is a phrase from the 700 Club...lol, "If you see someone in need, dont lend them the money, give them the money". Believe in Karma and that your good deed will def return to you in some form or another. You definately did a good deed here! Bless. Bay xx
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
9 Oct 07
There are 2 things that will ruin a friendship very fast. They are barrowed money and women. When a friend barrows money and has to pay it back and they can't or won't they tend to disaper very quickly. Since your freind has not returned your emails and seems to refuse to communicate with you my best bet is that the freindship is over and You are not going to hear from this person even if you do forget the debt. Best just to move on.
• Philippines
15 Oct 07
Thanks deebomb! i understand the MONEY part, but the WOMEN??? ehehehehe
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
8 Oct 07
My dear Woman! Can't you understand? This was NO Friendship! This man took advantage of your Love and Generosity. He is one of the lowest forms of Humanity, and you are lucky to get off this easy. He has absolutely no plans of ever repaying you! You will never see him again. He will make sure of that! Please learn from this Lesson. Never trust anyone again until you know them very well. You might as well forget about the money, and Be Thankful he didn't take you for a much Greater Ride.
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
THank you barehugs! I would charge it as an experience and lessons came along with it. I would take your advice that I will never trust anyone again until i know them very well. WOW! WELL SAID! Thank you so much and I appreciate that! I really do!
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
friends are friends,but debts are debts right? he has the reponsibility to pay you back. If he is a good friend he should have the balls to tell you when he can pay you back. He is like hiding ...good friends don't do these things. Maybe he has some issues in regards with money. I have a friend who has this habit of borrowing money... since I know that he is the type of person who just have this habit I don't lend him money and he understands it..we are still friends. We should also have some limitations most especially when it comes to moneyÜ
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
I do agree with you. Friend are Friends ... Debts are Debts.. ! That is so nice.. at least that friend of yours has realized that you have noticed him taking advantage the goodness of your heart. I do have some limitations too. Its just that this person perhaps has really a good talent in borrowing money because he really strikes you in the heart, and you get pity and sorry, and you ended up giving him the money. Am i just too good? Easy to get fooled? OR blnd to see that im being taken advantage?.. Thank you so much sharine_l. I appreciate that! I really do!
@tomomo (25)
• Indonesia
8 Oct 07
you must collect your debt to your friend because money is money and u can forgetting that bad friendship, u must to know man is not only him because still many-many people who can be best your friend remember think the future if still like this u will be the game for your friend
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
HI there tomomo! THank you so much for your reply! I really appreciate that! I do agree with you that MONEY IS MONEY. You work hard for it, sweat went along with it, so it is something that has value. But why is it that people are really tough enough not to realize that? They want to get money the easy way by borrowing! Yet, they wont even care to pay it back! Dont you think thats good? Of course not! ayt? I wouldnt say that the friendship I had with that person is bad. ITs not bad at all. Its just that it got bad because of money. And i think, I agree with you when you say that "MAYBE FOR HIM, THIS FRIENDSHIP is just a GAME!" I know too that there are still alot of people in the world that i can make friends with. Its not my loss after all! ITs his! Thank you so much tomomo! I really apreciate that!
• United States
8 Oct 07
Dump the friend, try to get your money back. If he were a true friend, he wouldn't be avoiding you now. He will probably try to get back in touch with you when he needs more money. Don't make yourself available to him anymore. Afterall, seems he has forgotten about you. Don't allow yourself to be used.
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
Thank you so much jennwhite07! So the money is now the issue. I need to get it back and forget about the friendship. ANd if that person comes back to me when he needs money, ill take it from you. I wont make myself available for him. and YES! AM NOT GOING MAKE MYSELF BE USED! That is something that i should have thought before this issue has gotten worst. Thanks again Jenn! I appreciate that!
@kiobug (2250)
• United States
9 Oct 07
Whether you collect the debt or not I think the friendship is kind of shot. If you feel hurt that the person doesnt return the same kindness maybe he isnt the type of friend you want or need.
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
Thanks kiobug! THat really is straight forward! Thank yoU! I appreciate that!
@yeerdeng (153)
• China
9 Oct 07
You don't need save your friendship. In his view, you are not a friend but a good ATM.
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
hahahahah.. this is really funny! but it DOES MAKE SENSE! Thank you so much yeerdeng! I appreciate that! LOL! :-)
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
It is important to first know the present financial status of your friend to know on why he is not responding to your communication. Maybe the reason is that your friend has no money to pay back what he owed that is why he just chose not to make any reply communication. Although it is wrong not to communicate, sometimes it is one of the best option, to keep silent. He maybe ashamed because he has no money to pay back. However, since the money was borrowed and it is a debt then by all means it must be paid back. Try to give your friend some options on how he can pay you. Maybe you need all the money now, but how about if he really does not have the money to pay you. Then, maybe he can pay you partially until he paid all his debt to you. It would be useless to demand the entire amount if he does not have enough money at present time. It must be emphasized to your friend that the money given to him is a loan money and therefore must be paid back. A loan money is different from a money just given to him. It must be paid back since it was a a money loaned to him. Collect the money what he owes to you and maintain the friendship. Who knows someday it may be another situation when you will be the one to need a money and you have no option but to borrow from your friend or to other people. The best way you can do now is to send a demand letter by registered mail to ensure that he is really receiving your communication. Depending on how big is the amount of loan, you can therefore decide on whether to hire a lawyer or not.
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
I would love to know that person'd financial status but the problem is, he is not even returning my calls, sms and emails, that is impossible. I just cant do my own investigation about his status, just a waste of time. I dont think he has no money at all. Maybe, he is just irresponsible to take ownership of what he owed from a person. I have given him some payment plans through email, he can pay me little by little until it gets paid, am good wih it, but no replies from him. I admire your concept about "LOAN is a LOAN and must be PAID". I totally agree with you that a money given is different from the borrowed. I dont borrow. I always have spare money for myself. I only borrow money if its really needed. But I pay it and take resposibility for it. Alot of the responses told me to get a lawyer to legally settle the issue, well, i have spent so much amount out of the money he borrowed from me, i dont want spend another money for my lawyer. I think the best way i can do is forget.... and forgive? ehehehe Anyway, thank you so much nandingkg for the response! I really appreciate that! I really do!
@stella1989 (2274)
• India
8 Oct 07
Well in this case.. you should stop giving him money first and there is still no such need of finishing your friendship...!! May be he is in real need of that money. YOu go on try to find out WHY he needs all that money..?? But still 3 months is long time!! But you first stop lending him any more money. I know money should never come between friendship but when one starts taking advantage of such friendship then you should get alert of such friends..!! But I still say no need of breaking off your friendship and there is neither any need of lending him any more money!! And yes you must get your money back too. :)
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
FIrst of all, we had no communication for 3 months and that person never get back my calls, my sms and mails. HEnce, the "lending of money" aspect had been stopped. I have made my own investigation as to why he needs the money, but I really cant formulate suitable reasons because I know for a fact that this person is well-off, so to the speak. I think he just doesnt know how to manage his finances. I have decided to end the friendship, and I am thinking of forgetting the money, that person and the friendship. I am convinced! Thanks stella989!
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@wisedragon (2325)
• Philippines
8 Oct 07
What friendship? I don't think there's any friendship to save here. After borrowing a lot of money from you he ignores you. Now in your time of need he doesn't talk to you. What kind of friend is that? Sorry but I think you've become a victim of a "friendly user" -- someone who will make friends with you just to use you and abuse you. There are people like that. I say cut your losses and get him out of your life. I avoid being in this situation by refusing to lend until the first loan is paid off.
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
I am so convinced of ending the friendship. BUt I am not into the money anymore. If he pays me back, well then its good! If he wont, then let it be. BUt honestly, its a huge amount. But what else can I do? Sue him? I dont want to spend another amount just for that. Ive spent so much for the "borrowing" thing, i dont want to add. And yeah, ill take your advise that I may need to be alert of those "friendly-user". At least I have it experienced myself. It wouldnt be hard for me to know someone like that next time around. ANd if that happens, avoidance would be the first thing that I need to do. Thanks wisedragon! You really are wise! I appreciate your response!
@jeanniemay (1798)
• Philippines
9 Oct 07
With regards to saving friendship Josh, yeah, the value of saving friendship is the biggest treasure. I know not just for me, everybody will agree, right? You may loose all your money but if you lost a friend, it's one big loss. Recently, there is some common friend birthday celebration, I know she will not miss it. I went to the party and saw her. She avoided me, with all the people around, she seems to have not seen me. I went just in front of her and asked if she can lend me just 10 minutes of her time. We walk over to the backyard for some talk. I just told her, "Can I give you another chance?" Well, she said, "I'm sorry for the trouble! Yes!" She promised an installment payment but up to this date to no avail. Well, I am giving her the time. I did not pursue the legal claim. I'm thinking about it as a last resort. Before any action done, I'm still waiting for a reply from her. I sent her a mail to give me some explanation of the delay, I told her, "I can understand. I am not putting a judgment on you. If you have some trouble, I can wait. I am your friend and I will still give you the chance." I haven't received any reply and have not seen her or heard about her yet. I have decided to just let go. I will ask the universe to intercede for me and my friend. Money is not everything, I can earn it. A friend is a living treasure you can never replace. Spread the love!