Is this BS?

United States
November 5, 2007 7:40am CST
Is there really someone who can modify cars to run clean, get better fuel economy, and have more horsepower? Read about him here. http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/120/motorhead-messiah_Printer_Friendly.html How about it? Can anyone tell us if anything this guy talks about is possible or not?
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
5 Nov 07
If this is possible, then it would be a good way to stick it to OPEC, which I consider to be a good thing. If it wasn't for the money they make off of oil, most of those people would be herding goats and stuff instead of financing terrorism and trying to influence world opinion. If it works great.
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• United States
5 Nov 07
Consider too that in the middle eastern countries with oil, they did not drill their fields, they did not pump the oil, they do not maintain the equipment that keeps everything flowing. If the west was truely dishonest as has been aledged, the middle eastern countries would all have been merely conquered and there would be no rich middle easterners and the oil stolen. Are there any rich people in the middle east? Then the west is not basically dishonest because we could have easily stolen all that oil. We still could but that is not who we are. Iraq had the biggest strongest military in the entire middle east. They stood up to American attack for less than 30 days. That all the oil in the middle east does not now belong to the USA is proof we aren't all crooks. I'll concede we have a few! :-) But anyway, anyone know if the linked article makes any sense? I don't know enough about to cars to properly figure this out.
@AD11RGUY (1265)
• United States
9 Nov 07
Great post, as usual! As far as the article goes, yes - it makes sense. Gearheads have for years played around with ways to get more power from less fuel. There are carburetors that Nascar banned from racing back in the early '60s. Why? Because their performance was like that of a fuel injection system and that was against the rules. Back in the heyday of American racing, turbine engines were used at Indy and subsequently banned because no one could keep up with their speed, power and fuel efficiency. Different kinds of "witches brews" were played with to try to achieve the most power and gas mileage from different types of fuels that were not petroleum based. Both Champ Cars and Indy cars, amongst others, have achieved over 1000 horsepower from 1 to 2 liter engines that run on methanol. If it weren't for the fact that the cars were running up to 270 mph (Champ Car), the fuel mileage would have been impressive (still they average between 3 - 5 mpg at those speeds). I'm THRILLED to see someone not only bring this back to the forefront, but that the slug of them all in Detroit, has shown some actual interest. I hope this guy goes far with his brilliance. And that the rest of Detroit hops on this band wagon!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
11 Nov 07
Hello Red, Wow! If everything in this article is factual, than there's absolutely no question that this guy is a bona fide gear-head genius. I drive a diesel, and there's no turning back for me. I have been regularly calling Daimler-Chrysler for some time, hounding them on when they're going to release diesel autos (not just trucks) into the US market. They make, and ship them overseas, yet make no model available in the US market. Hence, the reason why I own German engineering. Hubby & I were equally fascinated with the article. We both tout the overwhelming benefits of a straight diesel engine. Let alone the conversions this gear-head genius is suggesting. I get 45-49mpg with my straight diesel engine. I have the power of most any high-end sports car, and all the luxury anyone could ask for. My personal belief is that US auto-makers are not providing diesel options because they stand to lose HUGE revenue by way of lost automotive service fees. There's very little to go wrong with a diesel engine. Yet, much to go wrong with a gasoline engine. So, it all comes back to greed. I can say that I would be happy if others started hammering the US automakers for diesel options among their automotive lines. Anyway, I've bookmarked the article. I plan on re-reading it, then calling Daimler/Chrysler again, armed with this new found information. Thanks for providing it!
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• United States
11 Nov 07
I was an independent trucker from 1977 through 1985. Then I drove part time for others until 1992. So, I've got experience with diesels, too. I completely agree that diesels are under-rated and under-utilized. It is fantastic technology. During the 8 years I ran my own truck, I put over 500,000 miles on each of the 2 trucks I owned. Minor maintenance is all that either required. Diesels rock!
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• United States
11 Nov 07
Yes, diesel cars can be fantastic. As to the Saturn, my wife is a mail carrier and her friends who have tried Saturns were not too happy with them for the most part. Currently, believe it or not, my wife drives an Impala and it is working out mostly ok. There have been minor problems with the cheap raditor (aluminum & plastic) and the instrument cluster (electronic grounding problem). Engine and transmission are fine. Hope I didn't just jinx the vehical.
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@VKXY62 (1605)
• Australia
2 Dec 07
Hi Red, it is sure nice to see someone doing it instead of just making a lot of hot air. The ideas have been around for a while, this chap has put them together nicely. I had wanted to place small turbines on a sea goig vessel, money or lack off was a problem. A turn off the beaten track, did you see those shipwreck hunter fella's?, they want to make a deep sea relocatable for archaeological expeditions, so the divers can remain pressure accustomed, good idea, I want to see that made and being used. There is one off the Florida keys, but it is stuck to the seabed. It wouldn't be hard to make the engine multi-fuel either, many farmers here that grow Canola, make their own oil and run their diesels on it. There is also a deep fried fat recycler that converts it for use in vehicles here as well. What's the bet, you won't see it happening until it is way to profitable not to do it. Hey?
@estherlou (5015)
• United States
5 Nov 07
What a fascinating read! This guy sounds like a true genius with a gift for looking for solutions in a simple way...I think it's all true. It was a great mind-picture telling of the GM engineers crowding around his car to look at his modifications. It really sounds as if Detroit's tired old song is going to cause them to be really behind the new markets, especially the foreign-built hybrid cars. And the race won by the modified Impala! What a hoot!
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• United States
5 Nov 07
Yes, competition, freedom, and capitalism combine to produce wonderful things. This guy will invent ideas that other companies will adapt before GM if GM does not get smart. Of course, GM will try to steal his work. Read the story sometime of the slow kick windshield wiper. I use to know a guy who had a family member that was a GM engineer. He said the problem was mostly management did not care what the engineers had to say about much of anything.
@AD11RGUY (1265)
• United States
9 Nov 07
All too true that management doesn't support the engineering staff. For example, the Buick Grand National and the Pontiac GTO had to be pieced together in secret in order to be brought to life. Both cars were formally proposed to GM management and both promptly denied any support. Yet look at what happened once they hit the market. The top execs. have some sort of forecasting that almost never has any consumer interests or demands included in it. They strictly see the business, their targets (production numbers, gross profit, etc.) and where the overall results are in comparison to these goals. They don't like change because change costs millions of dollars, let alone if the change flops, the board of directors and other investors will have them for lunch. This is why the American auto makers seem so far behind the competition. Back in 1928, George Washington Carver had developed ways to run cars on peanut oil, vegetable oil and other alternative fuels. Henry Ford thought it was great and made a few running examples of his own with George running the project. It was shelved however due to gasoline being so cheap and plentiful. Let alone the oil companies then, as it is now, saw this as a huge threat to their business and did the usual political tricks to influence Uncle Sam to let them have their way. Of course this also hampers change in Detroit. It's a mess. But the technology has been with us since the teens of last century. Fuel injection was invented by Robert Bosch in 1917, Caterpillar went diesel in 1928, Ford had an overhead cam engine in the Model T, turbo and super charging had become the proven, efficient way of increasing power and thermo-dynamic efficiency back in the '30s. It's business politics that has stopped the flow of progress in Detroit. Fun fact: The Model T, which ended production in 1929, got 25 miles to the gallon!
@theprogamer (10532)
• United States
11 Nov 07
Yes its possible. Different fuel injectors and dual systems can be built up for a car. And with current technology, hydrogen power works better with hydrocarbons/hydrocarbon bi-products instead of electrolysis. Plus, this does cut off some of the emissions by utilizing the hydrogen, leaving oxygen, water and amounts of nitrogen. Goodwin is also right a lot of diesel and biomass conversions could occur, especially with hybrid options. Some buses in Europe run on recycled greases and fats from restaurants. Then there are ideas I've had and even put down in my renewable energy threads. The ideas consist more strides to electric or hybrid cars, like Goodwin mentioned, but powering them via multiple green energies, especially solar and suitable solar charge stations. Meanwhile, stateside's response to everyone else getting better with green power, is more ethanol (which threw a wrench in corn and related sections of the market -_-). And many attempts at change are scoffed at, they have been for decades. Some politicians/flapping heads/empty business suits can talk a good game, but has there been any concrete and significant implementation of efficient renewable energy powered transportation? Not really. If there's one thing about stateside, its resistant to change and even when the status quo in question is truly broken, change is slow or doesn't occur at all.
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• United States
11 Nov 07
Okay, so we need to really let entrepenurship out of the cage to reform our technology!
@theprogamer (10532)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Indeed Red. I could attempt to try a reconfiguration on my own car but that'd be quite a risk on more than one level. Society and the automakers really need to get on this despite the current paradoxical dilemma. If not, stateside can expect higher gas prices (not just from supply but also if more taxes are put in). One can expect a ripple effect across the economy (one that lightly happened during late summer and is expected to pop up again soon). One can expect travel, work, city/suburban development and other related transportation aspects to change if oil dependency is still put obliquely at the forefront.