A Critical Opinion About Dec. 21, 2012, Planet X/Nibiru and End of The World

@pyewacket (44032)
United States
November 20, 2007 6:45pm CST
Okay folks, please bear with me, this is a long discussion..LOL But I do have to rattle out some ideas out to you. There have been a number of discussions started by some of my MyLot friends about the significance of the date December 21, 2012, which is practically supposed to be the end of the world as we know it, and is supposed to be tied with the approach of Planet X also known as Nibiru, which is technically speaking already on it's path toward us. Now I'm not debunking this completely, BUT, the scientific and history buff that I am does question some things here. By means of paleaotological, geologic, archeaological, astronomical and even historical means we do know that in general, the universe is by no means a static one. Stars, planets and galaxies are born, they die, often by cataclysmic means such as supernovas. Our own Earth is far from stable and has experienced numerous major changes. By the science of geology, for instance, it has been discovered that much of the land in the Middle East that is desert was once tropical like and there have been evidences of marine life deeply buried in the sands of these deserts. Several times in Earth's evolution the most dramatic of changes has been the shifting of the magnetic poles. Whenever this happens, the changes to the Earth are dramatic and could account for the past Ice Ages, and severe floods when the Ice Ages melt. Also, outside forces such as large meteorites have collided and impacted Earth and some scientists believe this was the reason for the extinction of the dinosaurs. The last major flooding of the Earth was some 10,000 years ago, and some of those who are in the more metaphysical persuasion believe this was what caused the sinking of Atlantis. Okay are you still bearing with me??..LOL With the recent discussions about the approach of Planet X/Nibiru which is considered as another planet that is within our own solar system, such catastrophic destruction of our planet will be caused to virtually destroy life as we know it and is supposed to be in it's final stages near around the year 2012. Some of these discussions have included YouTube videos about this very subject, and that our governments are keeping this info from us. Also, in these videos are so-called documented records of earlier civilizations, such as the Mesopotamians and Mayans who all were excellent astronomers, and were aware of the existence of Niburu, and it's destructive path and even predicted Earth's final destruction, especially by the Mayan Codices and that the "end of the world" would be December 21, 2012. According to the Mesopotamian records they predicted that Niburu makes a destructive approach to our Earth approximately every 3,600 years. Ah, now here is where I'm skeptical. Now I NOT saying that all this ISN'T possible, but I'm just rattling facts here from what I remember of my love for the sciences and history. The ancients were VERY knowledgable about astronomy and it is they we have to thank for our current awareness in this field. Throughout time, there have been predictions of Earth's "doom" it's end. Heck, don't you remember all the dire predictions that rattled about with the approach of the year 2000? Uh, nothing happened. So supposedly, this Niburu, which the ancient Mesopotamians knew about and somehow calculated that it approaches Earth's path every 3,600 just doesn't wash for me. If that were true, then within written history, the Earth would have already suffered devastation. Subtract 2012 (the date of our destruction) from 3,600--you get the year 1588 BC --since writing began roughly around 3,000 BC by both the Sumerians and Egyptians there are no records of any kind of destruction. Are there? Not to my knowledge. Now switch to the Mayan Codices, which relates the various destructions of the world. If I remember right the last and final destruction of the world is supposed to be by the element of fire, yet from those videos I watched about Niburu, it would seem that our destruction would be by the means of water...that is a sudden cataclysmic flooding, not only due to the approach of Niburu, but by the severe change in the magnetic poles of the Earth--we are no doubt experiencing the beginnings of this effect now and besides man's past use of fossil fuels that have emitted into our atmosphere creating the greenhouse effect, combined could explain global warming. And yes, even past psychics have predicted that changes in our Earth could happen in the "twinkling of an eye" as stated by the past psychic Edgar Cayce...he had predicted dire changes that would occur by 1996, and that Atlantis would rise again. Uh, well, didn't. So I'm not completely dubunking all this though, since there IS past evidence from a scientific viewpoint that our Earth has indeed gone through dramatic destructions. I just can't help wondering if what some of what is said is a little von Däniken -ish...He was the person who wrote Chariots of The Gods and many of his claims were later proven to be false. One of the videos I watched even suggested that there were inhabitants of Niburu who were of the snake species, and came to our planet and is reason why almost all cultures have had snakes or dragons as part of their folklore, and that the Niburus even "created" the human race...uh, isn't that stretching it a bit? Yes, it is all possible that with the approach of this other planet of Niburu could indeed create the worse devastation to our world as we know it. What I like to know..One, if you heard about any of this, what are your views? Is it possible that the "predictions" are true? Are we going to face one of the worse destructions of the world as we know it? Or is this just another Von Daniken type thing? Here are some of those videos if you wish to watch--there are quite a lot of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3RLx_4Y5Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkv4chj47XY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV3RzRiRLz0
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@LittleMel (14036)
• Canada
21 Nov 07
Hi pye, the way I see it the end of the world is a beginning of new world. I may not be one of those that survive it but still for 1/3 of human race it is actually something to look forward to. Now I've never heard of this Daniken person or watched the videos about dragons from Nibiru, they do sound a bit awkward even though I'm not a scientist or anything. I only just heard about Nibiru from Pola's discussion. But what happened 10,000 years ago, Mayan calendar, astrologer's prophecy watch, they are all showing signs that we are closing the end of the world, or for some, the new beginning. I'm still compiling them and will publish it in my blog once I'm done. It's hard to do this all while English is not my foreign language :(:( we know the end will happen, but how and when, we probably won't know for sure until it happens. Global warming, some war-monger people, rise of Antichrist, comet or meteor goes out of orbit (or we are actually in its orbit?), all this can end our lives on earth - all in one day, week or hour. You can call me paranoid heheh but my curiosity is tickled by this one particular question: which one of them will get to human race first? is it the war? the comet? this antichrist just born? Maybe I'll die before it happens, no that's not much of fun
@LittleMel (14036)
• Canada
21 Nov 07
ah ok. I think we can predict it, but not with so much accuracy to the nearest 1 year. I mean we may be able to get as close to 50 year range, but not exactly down to the actual year itself, like for instance 2012. human race survives the previous ice age, to destroy us (and the earth) it's going to be a gradual process. wait, I start talking like invading alien :):)
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Kind of makes you realize and think with all our sophistication and science know how though we don't know shat...LOL
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@Riptide (2761)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Well Sylvia Browne is a fake, so I wouldn't give too much credibility to what she says lol. She has been proven a fake and I could tell the first time I ever laid eyes on her.
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@sigma77 (5385)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Now that Niburu is going to destroy our planet, I no longer have to be concerned with the global warming hoax. If you recall the comet striking Jupiter in 1994 (I think), then it is only a matter of time before something strikes earth. It could be in a few years or 2 billion years from now. I am not much for predictions because they are mostly the products of hoaxsters and people who have nothing better to do. And so if a comet or some other body hits earth, what are we going to be able to do about it? At this point in our history and development, NOTHING. So why worry about it? I think the earth will always go through climactic changes irregardless of what man does or doesn't do. That is the way of creation. Look at the universe. Worlds are being created and destroyed all the time. The fact that man and woman happens to be here on this planet means little. Overall, things are created and after so long, they are dis-created (my own term). The universe will continue to expand and grow and evolve until such a time when it doesn't. Civilizations will come and go. Man on his planet is no more important than man on any other. If people want to go crazy over this kind of thing, so be it. But I won't be one of them. Sail on!
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I realize that comets and meteorites have the potential of hitting us at any time--nature is probably the most destructive force known and mankind likes to think he can "control" nature but that's bullcrap. Yes, you're right civilizations have come and gone, and no doubt ours as we know will too eventually by our own destructive hand or nature's..right?
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@anniepa (27279)
• United States
21 Nov 07
The global warming "hoax"? I must say something like Planet X hitting us would at least take us quickly but the dangers of global warming could cause famine, disease and who knows what else that wouldn't necessarily bring a fast and painless end to the human race. Is every word ever said about global warming and how we have caused it? Maybe not, but I think it's still something we should all be concerned about and do our best to take better care of our world. I'm not talking about anything crazy or drastic but I do think we all owe it to future generations to be responsible. Annie
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Despite all the hoopla about global warming, I actually thing we're more due for another Ice Age instead LOL
@RosieS57 (889)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I have heard for years that the Mayan calendar ends on 12/21/2012. The calendar ends, not necessarily the Earth. I have also read that Nostradamus predicts WWIII around that date and that there will be an extensive period of peace afterwards. Nostradamus has the planet going on until the 3700's. There already is a Planet X that has been found out beyond the orbit of Pluto, which itself lost its planetary status from being too small. So no, I don't think the world will end in 2012, but bad times between Earthlings could most certainly occur and could have attracted Nostradamus's attention.
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I heard a joke about the Mayan calendar that the reason they stopped at the year 2012 was that they got tired of writing anymore of it...LOL. Well who knows what will happen? We'll just have to see right?
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@RosieS57 (889)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Right. There's only so much carving that stuff into stone that a body can stand, for true. Because we don't know what will happen next I keep hangin' around to see for myself. Don't you, Pye? :-)
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@LittleMel (14036)
• Canada
23 Nov 07
hahah the Mayans were tired.. too many things to do? oh and they need to slain more people to sacrifice
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@ctrymuziklvr (11059)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I can't tell you how many times in my life I have heard that the end of the world is on such and such a date. I don't believe it can be predicted.
@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I'm with you. I've heard that too. Maybe it's good the end of the world can't be predicted with accuracy for what the heck could we do about it anyway??
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• United States
21 Nov 07
That's the whole thing of it. There's nothing we can do about it! I remember way back over 30 years ago when we were told that if we stopped using aerosol cans it would help the ozone. Now look at what's happening...global warming!
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@LittleMel (14036)
• Canada
23 Nov 07
do you think this is all commercial? stop using aerosol and use something else that is the new trend, not really for our own sake
@Riptide (2761)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Yes,I have heard of this date before and the mayan prophecies. Mayans are not the only ones who pinpointed that date though.The Hope Indians have as well. This date seems to be significant in a lot of cultures throughout time and the earth,so maybe there is something to it. I think it would be wise to at least keep your ears and eyes open and stay alert.The earth is already changing as we speak. The ica caps are melting and there are more eartquakes and floods then ever before. I hope nothing will happen,but I for one will stay alert. I will browse on the web a bit and let you know if I come across any more information regarding this.
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I still actually do have that book, The Book of The Hopi..by Frank Waters..still haven't read it yet, but I do remember they had "four" worlds of how the earth was destroyed at each phase. I think a lot of our changes are caused by the unstability of the Earth itself and how it keeps changing its magnetic poles since each time it does a lot of destruction happens. Thing is, whether you believe anything the psychics say, even one like Sylvia Browne doesn't see the "end" on 2012. Mmmm...guess we just have to wait and see, no? all in all, not much we can do. Kind of makes you realize how puny mankind is, even with all his knowledge
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• United States
21 Nov 07
this is why i dont really believe it, i mean i believe the scientific facts but not that the world is ending. Because for thousands of years, people claim the world will end in "a few years." Its part of human nature I think to believe that the world will come to an end in your lifetime. No, I do not believe it will for a long while yet. And if it does, so be it! Can't do much about it!
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I'm more into science myself. Throughout history someone has always predicted the end is near. And you're right..if it does happen, not much we can do about it
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@Stiletto (4584)
21 Nov 07
Yes I've heard about this one. To be honest I have heard so many predictions of the day the world will end that I've stopped taking them seriously. Just off the top of my head I guess I've seen about 8 or 9 dates that were predicted as the end of the world but we're all still here! Those of course were only the ones I had heard about. Who knows how many other predictions escaped my notice and have come and gone. I think people love a good scare story. Of course this one might come to pass but even if it does what can we really do about it? So I won't be panicking about it, I'll just carry on as usual. Oh by the way, I was SO disappointed when I heard that Von Daniken was a big fraud! I was just so taken in by Chariots of the Gods!
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I loved Von Daniken too :) I can't helping think that maybe some of the things he mentioned might be true though...those Nazca lines are sure intriguing..no?
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@pismeof (855)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Thanks for the links Pye,I found the videos entertaining.Maybe someone should make a full length documentary It would be a lot of fun to watch.I just hope they get it done before 2012 though.LMAO There is also a comet that's suppose to be passing by within the next couple of years,so we better keep our heads down.
@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Well good ole faithful Halley's comet is supposed to whiz by in 2024
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@anniepa (27279)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I didn't want to see the videos, I'm scared enough already...lol! I'd heard quite a bit about this prediction too but there have been so many similar predictions I'm going to let myself believe it's just another crazy story. Then, if this hits hopefully it will be over before we know what hit us. I just hope my grandkids don't get wind of it because they're at the age where they're too smart to pull the wool over their eyes but they're still young enough to get scared out of their wits. Annie
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I know, one could talk themselves into a panic attack if they want to about this. But remember the frenzy about when the year 2000 began..gee, all sorts of dire things were to happen then...I remember people were stocking up on food, water, batteries, everything. Everything was supposed to stop then because to of the change of the clocks/years from 1900s to 2000
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@polachicago (19073)
• United States
21 Nov 07
In 1978, Zecharia Stichin published a book "The 12th Planet". I was reading this book long time ago. It is about planet Nibiru, planet of crossing (Marduk by the Babylonians). I will strongly recommend this book. Nibiru is a planet on a huge ellipitcal orbit that passes close by the earth about every 3,600 years or so. In January 1981 several daily newspapers stated that Pluto's orbit indicates that Planet X exists. Astronomy magazine published an article in December of 1981 entitled "Search for the Tenth Planet," and another article in October of 1982 entitled "Searching for a Tenth Planet." In addition, Newsweek covered the story of Planet X on June 28, 1982 in an article entitled "Does the Sun Have a Dark Companion? On June 17, 1982, a NASA press release from Ames Research Center officially recognized the possibility of "some kind of mystery object" beyond the outermost planets. The Washington Post covered the story of Planet X on the front page on December 31, 1983 called "Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered." A NASA/ARC press release published in Newsweek on July 13, 1987 disclosed that "an eccentric 10th planet may - or may not - be orbiting the Sun." October 23, 1996 article entitled "New rebel planet found outside the solar system." It is something there, the only question is, and will it affect life on Earth or not?
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Oh, I'm not questioning the possible existence of Nibiru and have heard and read over the years of the "discovery" of it, that is planet X some twenty years or so ago and all the articles that came out in the 1980s...remember, I'm an astronomy buff here and at one time thought of being an astronomer when I was a kid (that and being an Egyptolgist..LOL) What I do find weird though is how astronomers can pinpoint possible planets evolving around other systems like in the Orion system or in the Leo constellation area (I'm a big buff on the Orion connection and the pyramids of Giza) but weren't able to discover Planet X until relatively recently although I realize that the larger telescopes are more in the northern hemisphere than southern with the exception of maybe Arecibo. So called sightings of the approach of Nibiru have already been noticed in the southern hemisphere..but for all I know it could even have be one of our planets like Jupiter that seemed closer--there were some videos about this too..the sightings anyway Also, how can one guess the elliptical orbit of Nibiru as every 3,600 years though?? Yes, Haley was able to track his famous comet but the orbit of it was a much shorter time frame of about 74-79 years--in fact it's supposed to make its return in 2024--but 3,600?? As I calculated, the last passing of Nibiru was roughly around 1588 BC, prior to that it would have been mmm..5188 BC?? Are my calculations right?? LOL If that's true this was prior to any written records and prior to any real civilizations
@polachicago (19073)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Prior to any civilization? Some recent studies have suggested that the Sphinx was built as long ago as 10000 B.C. How much do we know if Sphinx can be older then 10000 BC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsofKUDXds4&feature=related
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I'll watch the video in a second, but I've always been a fan of Edgar Cayce--my great grandmother was the one that got our family involved with him, and for awhile there I was a member (and hope to be again) of A.R.E. He was actually one of the first psychics to "see" the whole civilization of Atlantis and was the one who suggested that the Sphinx and pyramids were at least 10,000 years old. It was he that saw that there was a Hall of Records left by the Atlanteans and buried withing chambers of the Sphinx--think in the left paw of it --my quotes about civilization in general are from what the "scientists" have rattled off...but I'm a hodge podge of the science facts and other beliefs as well. I wouldn't be surprised if one day some "great" discovery does comes along and throws out the window everything we think we know. Don't forget at one time, it was believed that the universe was created in 4004 BC --the whole sense of dating is so off base like the carbon-14 and potassium argon methods and always have a plus/minus in time--the truth is..I sometimes don't think we know shat! LOL
@worldwise1 (14887)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Are you SURE you're not a regular listener to Coast to Coast A.M., pyewacket? They do discuss an awful lot of this stuff on there. My guess is that anything is possible, but I don't believe the world is going to come to an end on 12/21/2012. According to most of the experts I've heard on the subject, yes, there will be changes to the world on that date, but nobody can say with any certainty what those changes will be. There is also a popular theory that there are many of these "Reptilians" walking among us on a daily basis. I just hope I never run into one that I can recognize, LOL. I also believe that the mystery of Atlantis will remain just that.
@polachicago (19073)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I listen to Coast to Coast almost every night. I saw UFO when I was about 18 years old, but I did not see greys, I met blue eye, tall blonds. I listen to Coast to Coast, bacause I want to find similer story like mine.
@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Nope never listened to Coast to Coast...how do I get that..is it on radio radio or internet radio?
@LittleMel (14036)
• Canada
23 Nov 07
I watched V sometimes, it is on one of tv channels here now I'm afraid of lizards :)
@ElicBxn (61137)
• United States
21 Nov 07
I don't believe that the world is going to end 12-21-2012. I think people are just getting wrapped up in all those 1s and 2s. Second, Atlantis is pretty well established as the Minoan culture, and the sinking of Atlantis thru the distruction of Thera/Santorini. Thirdly, scientist have discovered that the switching of the magnetic poles happend in almost no time at all, no gradual change there. You are correct about there being no historical record for a massive distruction tho in Immanuel Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision" there is an interesting consideraion that Venus is the result of something erupting from Jupiter and causing considerable distruction during the time of Moses. Finally, this critical date is only 5 years away, I think we've got enough people looking for stuff that we'd've spotted a planet sized object coming towards us by now.
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Mmmm..I know all about the theory of Thera being Atlantis, but I'm a die-hard believer in it anyway..LOL. One of the earliest mentioning about Atlantis was with Plato's Timaeus and that Atlantis existed beyond the Pillars of Hercules, which is the Straits of Gibraltar suggesting looking toward the Atlantic ocean and not the Mediterraean sea--indulge me here..like I said I've been a die-hard believer in Atlantis ever since I can remember--LOL Now whether it's a hoax or not, like all the so-called photos of bigfoot (most are) sighting of Nibiru has supposedly already begun but can still only be seen in the lower part of southern hemisphere--me think it's phooey --it could be any planet or star being sited
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@ElicBxn (61137)
• United States
21 Nov 07
Fact is that Plato got the "Atlantis" story beyond 3rd hand. He got the story from someone who heard about it in Egypt, and who knows where they got it, probably from the Phonecians centries before. But if you take a "0" off all his numbers, you come up with a pretty good aproximation of the Thera/Santorini eruption. And really, he was talking about the failure of a culture and probably invented a lot of the facts of its failure due to greed.
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@rin888 (75)
• Australia
10 Dec 08
well ive heard of this happening off a professor of mine at college, so my first thought was that i believed it, but after coming home and searching the internet about it. i dont believe it, well i hope its not going to happen. because i really doubt the government will want to save me lol. but all i can say is just like year 2000 i cant wait for nye on 2012 going onto 2013, PARTY TIME... again lol.
@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
12 Dec 08
I guess we all have to do a wait and see if all this dire predictions happen
@meme0907 (3481)
• United States
7 Jan 08
Hey pw, I'm sorta late coming into this discussion sorry I'm working on catching up my emails |:x I've heard about 2012 being the end of the world as we know it & my religous beliefs tell me that our world we live in now will be destroyed by fire.I've never heard of planet x before now, only the mayans predicting the end of the world.I think it's very interesting but we can't live for tomorrow so I really don't worry about it myself if the planets gonna crash or the bombs gonna drop I hope it's swift |;) +'s |:)
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@pyewacket (44032)
• United States
7 Jan 08
Yes, I think the Mayans predicted that the world would end in fire too. Well, whatever happens, like you I hope it's quick too.
@xfahctor (14126)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
28 Feb 10
Hey pye, I know this is an old discusion but I am astronomy nut and this stuff facinates me, especialy the "Nibiru" topic. There are a few problems with the theory reguarding a planet in an eliptical orbit that only comes to the inner solar system every 3600 years. First of all is the issue of orbital mechanics. With out going in to the mind numbig math and details, suffice it to say that no planet could hold such an orbit. It would be flung out of the solar sytem it's first time through, especialy at the speed it is suposed to be traveling at. Speaking speed, we come to the next problem with the theory, speed. In order to be traveling the distance it is perported to be, in the time it is perported to be it would have to be traveling at unimaginable speed. Third issue is that we would have seen it by now, you couldn't miss it. Especialy if it is where the theory says it is. With millions of amature astronomers on earth, SOMEone would have spotted it. So you can be sure your suspicians are corect, it is a psudeo-science myth.