The CIA Destroyed Video Tapes of Interrogations!!
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
December 7, 2007 12:42pm CST
The incompetent press is whining and crying like the babies they are! Why?
Because the CIA actually doesn't consider itself the audio visual department of the AP, CNN or the New York Times.
This must burst their arrogant bubbles to learn that there are some people who consider National Security a higher priority than leaches who do nothing but sit around waiting for leaks from the government.
Too bad, so sad!! Maybe, for once, you'll have to actually get off your bar stool and do some investigative reporting (you remember that term from college, right?).
Til then, I'm laughing in your pathetic, lying faces! :~D
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6 responses
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
11 Dec 07
The tapes were not for and were not to be given to the press or media. The tapes were requested by a Congressional investagatory committee and would have shown that the CIA interrogators were lying about the methods they were using.
In other words, they destroyed evidence that would have implicated them.
If you or I were being investigated by any authority and we destroyed evidence - what do you think would happen to us? That should happen to them.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Dec 07
The tapes weren't made for the political gain of Pelosi or Reid either.
If they were destroyed as part of a Standard Operating Procedure, there was no crime committed... If only those tapes that might tend to incriminate the CIA were destroyed, then their might be a case.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Dec 07
Pelosi and Reid both knew about waterboarding, and approved of it back in 2002. Congress voted on a bill to ban waterboarding, most democrats voted against it.
So, if it isn't illegal, what is the crime here again?
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
11 Dec 07
Only two tapes were destroyed and they had been specifically instructed to turn those tapes over to investigators. That is not "standard operating procedures". Standard operating procedures are that "tapes and other records will be archived in a secure vault for at least 20 years or until they are declassified; unless they are needed for an ongoing investigation."
Destroying those tapes gave Pelosi and Reid a weapon that they could use for their own political gain and it gave the CIA a "black eye".
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
10 Dec 07
Though I'm not at all happy that they destroyed the tapes (they've the technology, they could block out faces if they wanted, destroying them was going overboard)...I'm not a fan of most of the media either.
They do lie. Alot. Information often fed to them from questionable, and very rich "sources".
I dislike it when good, though secret things the government occasionally (okay, maybe a little less than occasionally) do gets outed.
It sucks.
However.
Tapes which PROVE that they DO torture, when they've been beating around the bush (no pun intended), "Uh, how do you define torture?" and other such nonsense...when destroyed...
This does not brighten my day, to say the least.
Oh, I'm not saying it isn't obvious by now. But still.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
10 Dec 07
The whole thing rest around one question... do they destroy all interrogation tapes after they have gleaned all the information they're going to get from the?
If these tapes were destroyed in a normal standard operating procedure, then there is no foul here.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
11 Dec 07
*grimaces and shrugs slightly*
If I trusted my government more I wouldn't care as much. Destroying one of the few possible means for oversight on one of the country's most sensitive handlings -- I don't think that's a terribly bright idea.
But that's me.
I mean...torture is wrong, period. But if, this country does torture, the evidence should not be destroyed.
For Goddess' sake, if you don't want the public to see it, then send it to the people who oversee those guys to review and handle it appropriately.
I'm not even saying that's how that would go, I'm just saying, that's how it should go.
The entire POINT of gauntanomo, and detaining people (which I won't even go into the moral implications of the whole thing, that's a whole NEW can of worms right there), was identifying enemies.
But if you're recklessly stepping on toes, torturing innocents...you're making new enemies which you may or may not ever identify.
And I don't buy that torture might be "necessary"...'cause I thought of an alternative.
If they ever tell me; "We don't have a choice."
I'll tell them bullsh*t, there's always a choice.
One of my favorite lessons so far in this life has been;
When presented with two paths, take the third.
If we're so intelligent, we can think up a multiple choice question and not "either this" kind of one.
There's NO reason, NOT to settle for an inbetween.
Oops. Guess I sortof got into the torture thing, *shakes head at myself* always ramblin' on I am.
Sorry.
But you get my point, right?
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
10 Dec 07
Pardon, I mean "Tapes which COULD prove". I don't presume to know everything, lol.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
12 Dec 07
I would like to know what law was broken? Do we have copies and tapes of all the conservations with the congressmen. Congress and the press is looking for anything to make the administration look bad. When a court said that the FBI could conduct a search of Congressman Jefferson (D) Louisana congressional office the congress said you can't invesgate us and you can't search our offices. Why doesn't congress invesgate thier house first and clean it up.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Dec 07
Exactly, anytime anyone wants to investigate a member of Congress, all they get is, "that's none of your business".
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
8 Dec 07
So they distroyed a few tapes. They should get credit for saving teh palnet by not building another building to store all the tapes. If Harry Reid is so concerned maybe he should have an all night session of the Senate to view all the intergration tapes to make sure the CIA is not talking too loud or is not being politically correct in dealing with the terrorist. The only condition is that they have to view every single tape and can not leave until they are done. It should take several years and atleast they can't raise taxes during that time.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 07
I wonder how much "evidence" Harry Reid has destroyed.
@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
12 Dec 07
The CIA is basically the "muscle" of the internal government that was exposed during the Contra Trials back in the 80s. Glorified thugs and nothing more.
@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
13 Dec 07
What does defense have to do with torture?
Either lock em up or kill em off. No torture. It's wrong, and it's a crime.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Dec 07
Well, then I guess waterboarding isn't torture, since even the Pelosi/Reid Congress wouldn't ban it.
I guess the first thing we need to do is figure out what is torture and what are legitimate interrogation techniques. So far, from how the UN talks (and I know you are no fan of the UN either), I was tortured in basic training, airborne school and a few other more unofficial training courses Uncle Sam saw fit to put me through.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Dec 07
So we should just let anyone do anything to us, so we can look like the good guy? Yeah, that has worked so well for the Amish... and it worked so well against Anti Western Terrorists for decades now.
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
8 Dec 07
It's definitely not a big surprise the CIA destroyed tapes of interrogations. For one, it's just common sense really, that the goverment would rather have their 'private practices' which really mean all the torture techniques used to illicit information, whether correct or not, from people that either have something to do with everything, or nothing to do with anything at all. It just makes sense, that and they'd rather protect themselves from getting into trouble, because we all know, they engage in acts that would be punishable by law if any of us did the same things.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 07
That, or they regularly destroy tapes that have the faces of covert agents on the, so the incompetent press doesn't get their filthy meathooks on them and put them on the news.
I'm sure slimy reporters couldn't care less how many CIA agents they get killed, as long as the name on the by line is spelled right.
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