Apologies to Machiavelli !

United States
December 12, 2007 8:07pm CST
Machiavelli was merely a pragmatic efficient realist with a difficult job to do, I am told. So, comparisions of Machiavelli and the current day followers of Mohammad really are not appropiate. Perhaps, the story at the link refers to strategy more along the lines of as would be recommended by Sun-Tzsu in 'THE ART OF WAR' where he advises to weaken ones enemies in ways other than combat. Sun-Tzsu maintained that deceit can be very powerful. That's what the 'Investor's Business Daily' says is going on when our current presidential candidates take questions from Muslims. IBD alledges radicals pretending to be moderates are asking questions intended to convince Americans to soften their positions and therefore the effectiveness of the war on terror. Sun-Tzsu would be proud. This is a high compliment. http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=282355201739100 What say you? Pretty darn smart of them, don't you think?
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
13 Dec 07
That article is an excellent example of how Muslims are to deceive and mislead non-Muslims. It is also a perfect example of the stupendous stupidity of a lot of our political figures, specifically those who are opposed to our being in Iraq and Afghanistan, and who believe that if we leave them alone they will just go away. This is what tolerance without understanding allows to happen, and our leaders had better get some understanding, or they will soon find out the true meaning of intolerance when they do not convert to Islam.
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• United States
13 Dec 07
Well, I'm hoping our leaders aren't being fooled and that they say these things to 'fool' the Muslims into believing they have been 'fooled'. Maybe not, but if not, we have elected some real idiots to represent us.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
13 Dec 07
Hello Red, I cannot even say how disjointed I am that We The People are afraid to acknowledge that there is an orchestrated plan by Islamic & Collectivist fundamentalists to cause the downfall of this great country, the USA. Consider 'The Kautilya Principle': "My enemy's enemy is my friend". (I thought you'd appreciate this Red, because Kautilya, an advisor to India's King Chandragupta Maurya (c. 317-293 BC) is regularly compared to both Sun-Tzu and Machiavelli.) Lots of Americans like to gripe about how 'crappy' things are in our country today. Yet, can you imagine Susan Sarandan submitting to live the rest of her life in a hijab? Or, Oprah agreeing to forced retirement, because she is a woman? Hell, no! Couple these CAIR attacks with the realities of Ajmadineejad meeting with Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, and the recent Iranian officially sanctioned meeting between Mexico's President and high ranking Iranian officials. We had better start seriously considering what's at stake. The current presidential debates seem to think that it's important to ask about whether Mrs. Clinton prefers pearls or diamonds. While at the same time, these orchestrated maneuvers are taking place inside and outside of our borders. Hmmm, kinda' makes ya' wonder, huh?
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• United States
13 Dec 07
It all makes me wonder a lot, but I can't offer any possible explanations without sounding like a paranoid looney barking moonbat.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
14 Dec 07
Hello Red, "... paranoid looney barking moonbat.", pashahhhhh! Your discussions are far to informed to be perceived as such!!! As long as you keep providing links and intelligient substantition, none could argue that you are less than an informed visionary.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
14 Dec 07
You have to admit he has a way with words. I kind of hang around just to see what he is going to come up with next!!
@theprogamer (10534)
• United States
13 Dec 07
It seems rather Machiavellian, maybe even beyond it. Some of it does seem more modern totalitarian though, and even with hints of imperial/civilizational implosion (Ancient Rome). Deceit is indeed the most powerful of things to use, thats why its used by SO MANY self-interested agendas, groups and people. If one tells a lie enough times, or loud enough, people will believe it. Sad but true. I've got many examples of it on my mind, in not just politics but also in other domestic issues. Completely back to subject, it does seem these self-interested and twisted organizations (CAIR, NOW, etc) are corrupting things slowly but surely. They even use shaming tactics to control politicians and silence anyone who even remotely opposes (or just questions) what's being done. Ah...silence... its almost like the Constitution no longer applies, or the rights are only in place for a few and not for everyone. -_-
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• United States
13 Dec 07
That the shaming tactic is still working is disgusting. That sort of thing does work with me for a little bit until someone over uses it. They have over used it.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
13 Dec 07
As an individual, if you have been doing all you can, then their shaming tactics should not touch you anyway. You are but a pebble in a field of boulders.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
13 Dec 07
The real problem is we are falling for it. We let the Pres. of Iran speak at a college and the students saw nothing wrong with it. They consider it freedom of speech. Wrong! When they say that they do not have a nuclear program, the world takes their word for it. Of course they are still enriching uranium, but they say that is for power plants to make electricity. Right, a country with one of the riches oil reserves in the world needs nuclear power plants. The moderate muslims keep saying that it is just a small percentage of muslims doing all the terrorizing which is very true, but they have killed thousands and thousands and none of the moderates have lifted a finger to stop them. Our "to be elected" are falling all over themselves saying how they are going to end that "horrible war" as soon as they are elected. One interesting note however, is the new P.M. of Britain has rallyed behind his troops even though he is obviously personally against the war. He even went to visit them in Iraq recently.
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• United States
13 Dec 07
Yes, our elected are falling for it. But, if they did not pay lip service to the PC BS could any of them even get elected? We voters are not doing our job of electing forthright direct plain speaking honest people to office. What did POGO use to say? We have met the enemy and he is us! Or was that someone else?
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
13 Dec 07
Pogo, my Father had the complete works awesome. I think you quoted correctly. Elections never work out too well for me. I always vote for the loser. Which makes me what?
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• United States
13 Dec 07
In modern times voting for a loser has been a sign of intelligence given what the winners did with their mandate.
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