16 Muslim girl in Ontario killed by her father

@estherlou (5017)
United States
December 16, 2007 3:00pm CST
A teenager wanting to be more like her friends, was killed by her father. She would leave home wearing track pants and the Muslim head scarf. Once she got to school, she would take off the head scarf and change into jeans. She was wanting to be more like the kids she went to school with. She started showing up at school with bruises and saying her father was going to "kill her"...sounds like every other teenager we have all known. Except...her father DID kill her. It seems there are 750,000 1st and 2nd generation Muslims living in Canada and trying to keep traditional values while living in a Western culture. I think this just shows that the two can not live side by side. Either you have to adhere to your traditional culture and live in a Muslim country, or you need to adapt to the culture and country you live in. The girl felt she could still be religious and adapt to the culture and customs around her. What do you think? http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/12/canada.headscarf.ap/index.html
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@theprogamer (10539)
• United States
16 Dec 07
I'm speechless over this one Esther. While there should be tradition and values in family, there should be limits. Killing your own children...its beyond despicable, no reason justifies it in my opinion.
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• United States
16 Dec 07
reason dosent justify it however Islam does!
@chrislotz (8200)
• Canada
18 Dec 07
Oh my, this is awful. I have heard about this kind of thing happening a couple times now. I just don't understand how a person could take the life of their own child, never mind anyone. I would do anything for my kids, even give up my life if I had to. But these cultures are so strong that it is not a good thing for some of these younger girls to try to change. It is a very sad thing that they are forced into living their lives the way their parents dictate. They are trapped, and if they try to step out, like this poor young girl, they pay for it, many times. It's not fair!!
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• Italy
18 Dec 07
This has happened in Italy (my country) too. One girl, Hina, who was from a muslin family, started dressing like italian girls and started to date an italian boyfriend. She was probably going to marry him, then her father KILLED her because she was a wrong muslim. And her mother and her whole family was totally on the murderer's side! I understand that you can have the culture you want, but if your children don't want to behave like you you can shout at them, throw them out of your family, but killing is not an option and those people should be expelled from my country. I don't want them even in italian jails!
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@abruck (2)
17 Dec 07
Ignorant people will do ignorant things; stupid people will do stupid things. Religious intolerance breeds both; or does ignorance and stupidity breed religious intolerance? Ask the Inquisitors or the Communists or the Nazis. One thing is for sure; the more we tolerate intolerance, the more we empower the ignorant and stupids of the world. The Prime Minister of Australia had it right: You don't like our democracy, you don't like our language, you don't like our religion: you can go back to where you came from!
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@RobinJ (2501)
• Canada
17 Dec 07
I would say it was a sad thing if she were the only 16 year old girl killed by a parent, but she is not. We have values and others may or may not live by those values, but who is to say which one is right. As it happens there are many things I admire about other religions that are not Christian, and there are many things I detest about the Christian religion, none of them are perfect, and I truly believe in live and let live, and to pick on one religion and point the finger only reminds that there are 3 fingers pointing back at you.
@suspenseful (40313)
• Canada
17 Dec 07
To see this is just a domestic issue is oversimplication. It is about the Muslim tradition of honor killing. When someone leaves the Muslim religion, marries a non-Muslim or as this girl did, takes off her headscarf, that someone has dishonored the family and so the father, uncle, and or brothers or any male relative has the right to kill that someone. The Canadian government in their worship of the god of multiculturalism has neglected to take this in account when they opened the doors to so many immigrants from Pakistan and other Muslim countries and failed to explain to them that there are some customs that should not be tolerated. I hope the father gets the supreme penalty so others do not see that it is their right to kill those in their family who try to be a little modern and fit in.
@tildy12 (760)
• United States
17 Dec 07
Wow this is crazy. First let me start by saying I respect every religion with that being said not because A Mother or a Father follows a specific Religion does in mean A child would do the same.Its impossible for any child to around a new Culture and not adapt ,adults do it so it is more likely for a child to do the same.As a Father he should have known that sometimes you just have to let your kids make little decisions on their own ,maybe she would have outgrown the wholr wanting to dress like her friends thing.God knows best now she's an Angel in Heaven.
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• United States
16 Dec 07
these folk should be punished to the fullest extent of our laws for this murder for that is what it is .If they want to live under islamic justice then stay in a muslim country they only want to benefit from our economy but refuse to leave the old ways behind !
@Ohara_1983 (4119)
• Kuwait
17 Dec 07
Oughsss, im really speechless in this time, i dont know what to say, if his father dont like her kids will be in the open country, why then he bring & let them to stay there he knows already what is that place open for all people rather bad or good, if he dont like that his daughter will be free so hide them in the mountain that nobody see them except him, i think that father need a trillion lapse before they will hang him, yes we can say that they need to follow thier religion but not to kill those innocent kid.
@mac1946 (1602)
• Calgary, Alberta
17 Dec 07
Hello estherlou. after reading all the comments,I see we have at least one person that does beleive and probably follows this docteran,and while almost all find it repulsive,no one has actually understood why this happened. in many countries with major populations,girls and women,are classed as nothing,even lower in many cases than us "infedels".their life means nothing,they must hide so as not to arrouse any other man but the father or husband. this has been going on for thousands of years,and I do agree,if you cannot change your beleifs,do not come to a country that does not have them,I have seen over the years,that they are exspecting us to conform to their religious beliefs as we are easally swayed so as not to hurt anyones feelings. while multi culturalizm can work in many instanses,it will not ever work with religious docterain. Unfortunatly,with the stupid laws in Canada and the U.S. if we speak out in public,we are classes as hate mongers,or racist,while I have a number of muslim aquantances that are very freindly people,but the real fanatics are trying to make us give up our culture to them. thank you for allowing me the right to speak my mind,I am not trying to hurt anyone,but I do know,there will be discontent.
@faith210 (11233)
• Philippines
17 Dec 07
Hi estherlou! Yes, I did hear all about it and that is really tragic! If anyone who is so strict in following his tradition they should better think a hundred times in migrating to another country with a different set of values, traditions and beliefs. The children will be traumatized and will be confused. The children are pressured to adapt so they would feel they belong. Children are very vulnerable and instead of the parents being supportive and guiding them to become better individuals, they terrorized their kids to strictly follow orders and traditions. It is sad but it is the truth. And for goodness sake, a child's life is much more worthy than a scarf. Just my thoughts. take care and have a nice day. :)
• Czech Republic
17 Dec 07
its really terrible, how can they do this?
• India
17 Dec 07
This is merely a barbarious act.People are not realising the human values. Rather, they adhere to values they dont really realise.It's high time the world heeds to the real meaning of god.
@eyewitness (1577)
• Netherlands
17 Dec 07
Well i heard this news too and what the father was awful.But this doesn't have to mean that a muslim can't live in a western country because of his believes.Like many times said before not only by me but also others in every religion eve in christianity and in catholic and other religions there are extremists thinking this way or another stupid way.Their religion drove them insane.That;s how cults excists because they think they're God. I've seen muslim who are very western and it depends on wehrre they're from. Ofcourse it's a shame these things happens and there should be a law forbidding this.
@Lakota12 (42681)
• United States
17 Dec 07
That is such a shame! How can a father do that I just cant see it no matter what faith they have. Yes I do beleive that if they come to our countries that they should adjust and keep their religon in the home and the masques for every day living here or in canada has to be hard on kids wanting to fit in and yes if they dont want to adjust go back to thier own country where they live like that but she would probably been lashed or killed over here for some little thing that we dont think is right to be lashed or killed over
• United States
17 Dec 07
Wrong. I have Muslim friends who wear their head scarf and pants.when I went to school, back in the day,I saw Children of Islam and they wore their head scarf and jeans.It can be done.this story doesn't say that Muslims need to live in a ghetto for Muslims only. That wouldn't work.They tried with Jews a long ago in Poland. I don't think killing the girl was right but if she really was a orthodox Muslim, then her head has to be covered.Period.But it doesn't have to be plain white or black.In my area, I have seen green , purple, and tan head wear wore by Muslims.It is sad that the daughter thought that she had to take off her head scarf to fit in. And it is tragic that her father thought he had to kill her.
@slickcut (8141)
• United States
17 Dec 07
This is awful.i think that a family that are muslims and have such a strong grip on their religious beliefs should stay within their culture around the people that believe the way they do,that way their children will not feel weird around the western culture.I cannot blame this poor girl for wanting to fit in.When you are in school ,no one wants to stand out like a sore thumb,it is hard to dress odd and act different when you are around others that all they do is stare at you.You are having to constantly explain Why you dress the way you do,and Why they have to be so different. You cannot keep tradtions when you put yourself into another culture,if you do, then you can expect to be stared at especailly by school kids.Grownups have better sense than to embarrass others but teenagers and children? they have no shame they tease, harass and make fun.This poor girl was living a life of hell pulled between two different worlds and she was trying to survive.I did not know that muslims believe in killing,i was told that they are a peaceful people but this man certainly was not.He should be tried and founf guilty of murder and spend the rest of his life behind bars.It is so sad that this poor girl was murdered by her father ,but the poor little thing had probalby rather die than have to be with a horrible father like that.My mother did not believe in women wearing pants,so i was never able to wear them to school,but thank God that in my day girls still wore dresses and i did not stand out in the crowd.When i got into junior high however the girls were wearing jeans so i would do as this girl ,go to school and change,but had my mother found out she would not have done anything because when i got stubborn about something then my mother would always let me do as i waihed.I just did not want to disappoint her.