35 Years, Hillary?

@ParaTed2k (22980)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
December 19, 2007 11:40pm CST
Hillary Clinton is touting 35 years of service that qualifies her for setting her butt in the big chair in the Oval Office. Ok Hillary (or more to the point, Hillary Backers), what do you have to show for those 35 years? Just to be nice, I'll give her the 6 years she's been a U.S. Senator. However, what did she do during her years as 1st Lady, or her work as an attorney? Or while she was in college? 35 years ago was 1972, other than unsuccessfully campaigning for George McGovern, what has she been doing since then that qualify her? I'm not saying she hasn't, but if even she isn't willing to tell us what she has to show for those 35 years, why should we give her credit for them?
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• United States
20 Dec 07
Maybe it depends on the definition of service, but she has been involved in politics since the 60s. As you mentioned, ParaTed2k, there was the campaign for McGovern in 72. In 74 she was advising on the Nixon impeachment. Her terms as first lady to Bill's state governorship and presidency may or may not be considered as service. I think they can be, given the responsibilities and sacrifices, and that she clearly was an active first lady. All in all, I think she has a wealth of experience to draw upon. I don't think she's stretching the truth too much by claiming 35 years of service, even if what she's done or not done is not to one's liking. I think a few posters here have selective memories, or only notice the big political events. (Referring to other posters, not you ParaTed2k). And as to the claims that staying married to Bill is a character flaw for Hillary, that's ridiculous. I don't think we can say Hillary has no self-respect because of this. It's a flaw in Bill's character, not hers. (And btw I believe Bill to be a great man, despite these flaws.) And anyway, we shouldn't be criticizing people for staying married - jumping ship for trophy wives (or husbands) is more of a character flaw in my opinion.
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• United States
20 Dec 07
It's difficult to know what goes on in a marriage. Perhaps Hillary stays with Bill just because she thinks it helps her politically (I think I've read this). Maybe she loves, sees he making honest efforts do better, and forgives him. I don't think she is his doormat. I think she sees much in him than most people. Anyway, as for being senator, I don't know, maybe you're right; maybe she should do more, and maybe she doesn't work hard enough. However, much political work will go unsung, because it doesn't grab headlines. Sitting on committees, meeting constituents, campaigning for legislation, and I don't know what. These all are service, in that they take time and effort. Just from from the Wikipedia page on Hillary, I found out many areas of involvement of which I wasn't aware. Only a few controversial events make the mainstream news. Seems to me that she has worked tirelessly on behalf of her political beliefs/goals for many, many years. And she stands out as someone with ideas of her own and a certain independence and willingness to tackle difficult issues. That's how I see it anyway. Clearly she has many enemies, but that in itself tells me she's not been sitting on her hands all this time.
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• United States
20 Dec 07
I hate it when I forget to proof read my post. I meant to say (probably obviously): "Maybe she loves him, sees him making honest efforts to do better, and forgives him. I don't think she is his doormat. I think she sees much more in him than most people do." Anyway, she is just trying to draw attention to how much more experienced she is than Obama. Not to say she has had a particularly distinguished political career, but she has been involved in the political arena for most of her life (which might be considered a bad thing I suppose).
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• United States
22 Dec 07
That's the first I've heard of a rape allegation. It would make a difference to me if I believed it. The Republicans spent a lot of effort trying to pin this kind of stuff on him, including persuading women to make false allegations. But it just doesn't stick. It's sad that their hatred of him should have lead to such underhand tactics, and so defocus them from dealing with real issues.
@Lakota12 (42681)
• United States
20 Dec 07
myself I havent see her do a thing that would reall count for the 35 years! and I reall dont think she would run the country right it would only give her a power trip. I think we would be in a bigger mess than we are now. I dont like her!
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 07
Really Lakota, I can't quite tell what you're saying. ;~D
@Lakota12 (42681)
• United States
22 Dec 07
really ya dont understand me IDONT LIKE HER!!!!!!
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Dec 07
No, Lakota, you are being too cryptic... do you support her or not? :~D
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
21 Dec 07
One of the things I have heard he talk about is her role in forming the Childrens Defense Fund. I looked on their web site I found her only mentioned as a member of congress, and one posting of Hillary recognizing some students. The CDF claims success in getting IDEA and No Child Left Behind. Both of these require hugh amounts of paper work taking the teacher away from teaching. It seems that both programs are great at increasing the size of government and governmental interference in our daily lives. Is this what her experience will lead to? Being a leader means that she has to make decisions and she has not shown that she is capable of doing that. As Senator she has not followed up on her first promises to the people of New York. She did not create new jobs but rather NY has lost many Manufracturing Jobs and the have not been replaced. She is goot at talking and making promises but not producing results.
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 07
If NCLB and IDEA are the best accomplishments of the CDF, then I'd say "CDF" stands for "Children's Defunct Fund"
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
21 Dec 07
My wife is a Sp ED teacher and spends 2-3 nights a week doing paper work for IDEA. People who have to compile data for NCLB also spend many hours doing paper work. I favor vouchers and let the parents be responsible for the childs education. Some teachers would be very wealthy because everyon would want them teaching their children while others would starve because parents could show the movies at home and save the moeny.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 07
True, education would be better if the fed got its nose out of it.
@soccermom (3200)
• United States
20 Dec 07
I'd like her to provide a detailed list of what she has accomplished in her 35 years of politics. I'll also give her the 6 years as senator, but aside from that I really can't find anything. I personally think she's still riding the coatails of her husband. The American people are delusional if they think she can bring about some big change, I could imagine in 35 years she owes alot of people favors.
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@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 07
Agreed, a 35 year coat tail ride can make a person feel like they've accomplished something.. I guess. ;~D
@Modestah (11192)
• United States
27 Dec 07
is bill so enamored that those coattails are impressive? is her backing from the feminists, do feminists support her solely for her gender or do they really think she has it? if another woman were running would they give the same attention to the senator?
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Dec 07
The feminists back her for two reasons... She has ovaries and she will protect Roe Vs. Wade. As long as those two things are true, they will back her... no matter how many times she turns on them. No matter how much of a mockery she has been to feminism. No matter how many women she has to destroy... "Feminists" will back her.
• United States
20 Dec 07
I agree.. but you must admit..it's quite an accomplishment to stay married as long as she did to Mr. Clinton..
@ParaTed2k (22980)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Dec 07
She gets what she wants from it... the coat tails aren't the snazziest, but oh what a ride! ;~D