Stop Hurting My Kid!

By Leca
@lecanis (16664)
Murfreesboro, Tennessee
January 24, 2008 9:13am CST
Also known as... How not to kill the hospital staff... Tuesday my son had yet another seizure and we wound up at the hospital for a few hours. He's had a few of them now, and since the one previous to this was quite severe, we're supposed to take him in right away instead of assuming it's a febrile seizure and will go away on its own. So we're in the emergency room, and this incompetent person is trying to take Dusty's blood. Now, watching someone draw your 20-month-old son's blood is bad enough, but watching them fish for a vein for what seems like forever is just too much! I wanted to beat the crap out of this woman, or at least tell her to get someone competent to do it! And the whole time she's going on about how he can't feel it... and I'm thinking "bull!" because I know I feel it when the phlebotomist does that to me! Do you ever get the urge to kill hospital staff when they're working on your children, even though you know they're really only doing their job? Would you have asked for another person to do the blood pull, or just gritted your teeth and tried to soothe your child (which is what I wound up doing)?
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@aissha (2036)
• India
25 Jan 08
i'm sorry for dustin ,i hv not faced what u hv but when people work insensitively it hurts ,my daughter is 3 she is brilliant ,not because she is my daughter and i should say things ,but still she is not talking very well and now on she has started using words just a case of speech delay probably. but people say she is low learner or she is in spectrum soemthing like this ,it hurts a lot .
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
25 Jan 08
*nods* That's a very tough situation to be in too, aissha. All the best to you and your daughter!
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@aseretdd (13736)
• Philippines
25 Jan 08
Wow, i had my own share of incompetent hospital staff... who poked my arm several times just to catch that elusive vein... i wanted to cry but told myself not to... i just don't understand why hospitals employ these kind of people... when this experience happened to me i was already 30 years old... and it hurt like how... i can just imagine what your baby went through... Expect your baby to be afraid of needles in the future...
@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
25 Jan 08
Yup, I can't imagine how these people get such jobs. I understand no one's going to be able to find the vein right away 100% of the time, but this was just ridiculous. I won't be surprised if he is scared of needles, after all his times in the hospital, and now this!
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@Modestah (11192)
• United States
27 Jan 08
I understand your frustration and anguish - our son had them when he was little too. One er guy started to do a spinal tap on him - tried 19 times (at least that is how many picks I counted) while my baby (18 mos) was whaling. The attempts were unsuccessful and they called in the pediatrician - who read the guy the riot act because there was no way the child had meningitis as his neck was not rigid. grrr perchance, has your son recently had vaccinations?
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
27 Jan 08
19 times??? Wow, that's horrible! Poor baby, and poor you! My son had vaccinations not long before his first seizure, over a year ago, but none of the following ones were around the time of vaccinations. It seems to usually happen at the same time as having an ear infection, but since he doesn't always have a fever with them, they've ruled out simple febrile seizures. He did have a normal EEG and CT scan, but now they're going to do an MRI as well just to be sure. Right now we're weaning him off phenobarbital and putting him on Tegretol, but he's going back to a pediatric neurologist for further examination as well.
@Modestah (11192)
• United States
28 Jan 08
such trials can sure leave you feeling as though you have gone through the wringer. I do hope things will be resolved soon.
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@Adoniah (7515)
• United States
27 Jan 08
After about 60 seconds I would ask for someone else. It is your child, and as long as you have not threatened to kill the vampire ask for another one!!! You do have that right! Usually they will send in a doctor or the head nurse and things will calm down considerabley. If you are calm, then the child will be calmer and that is what they want so they will accommodate you if they have any sense at all. My second child had major intestinal surgery when she was 6 hours old and then again when she was a month old. It was a merry go round for 8 years. We finally just jumped off ourselves. She is 26 years old 5'13"(6'1") blond, green eyed, and healthy as can be. She just will not admit to being over 6' tall.lol Shalom~Adoniah
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
27 Jan 08
Yup, next time I'm definitely asking for someone else if it's this big a problem! I know I have to try to be calm so Dusty will be calm... hopefully next time I'll do a better job of that instead of imagining horrible ways to kill the person! :p Wow, that sounds very scary, your child having to have such major surgery so young. I'm glad to hear that she's healthy now! Haha, how funny not wanting admit she's over 6 feet old... that's hilarious!
@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
27 Jan 08
Oh wow, I'm dumb today. That should be "six feet tall" ... I can't believe I said "old" instead of "tall". I should start getting more sleep!
• United States
25 Jan 08
No. I haven't had that happen. Yet again the only time i would wind up in the hospital is to die.I don't like or trust doctors.Enough about me, how is your little one?Is he feeling better?
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• United States
25 Jan 08
I hope everything works out. If you need me or there is anything I can do, write. Take care.
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@carmelanirel (20979)
• United States
24 Jan 08
This reminds me when one of my children was 18 months old and had a kidney infection. Because they were so young, the "doctor" wanted to do a catheter and they tied the baby down while she screamed as they were doing this procedure. finally my husband came in and saw how upset both the baby and I were and made them stop..He then got to talking to the radiologist and she couldn't figure out why they were even doing this test since the baby was fine and didn't have recurring infections. Then with another baby, he was just going in for his vaccination and the "nurse" poked him and I could see it didn't go through clean, it was like she had stuck it in wrong and pulled the skin. So, we no longer went to the one doctor and whenever we had vaccines done, I made sure it was not the same lady..
@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
25 Jan 08
Eww catheters are horrible enough for adults... I would hate to have to see a kid getting one! Scary! I wouldn't go to that doctor anymore either!
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• United States
25 Jan 08
Oh we don't, this was a pediatrician, we then started taking all our kids to the family doctor and they liked her much better..:)
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@vijigopi (991)
• United States
26 Jan 08
Oh my God Lecanis! I'm sorry I wasn't on mylot for a long time, so I really didn't know what was happening at your end. I knew the first time that Dustin had a really severe seizure, but after that I wasn't logging in that frequently. I know we can bear practically anything that happens to us, but seeing that done on an infant, and that too to one's own child is plain Hell! There is nothing as horrible as that. As you would know, that is exactly what happened to my child when he was 2 months!! Thankfully, the doctors at the hospital asked us to step out the first time they tried to put an IV on my son(they actually said 'You wouldn't want to watch this'), so we only heard his screams and didn't actually see the whole thing! But the damn thing was not put on properly and they did the whole rotten thing about 2 times atleast in front of my eyes. I couldn't stand it. I tried to fight but they said the IV was all done wrong, and if they don't put it right, it would end up in complications!! All I could do was just walk out and spend about an hour crying my heart out! There was a nurse who said she did it best but even she couldn't figure it out!! What the heck! I have been praying that someone finds out a simpler way to finding a vein, because this is just plain nonsense!! BTW, what about your problem? You were saying that your case was new to the doctor and they were trying to figure it out. You went to some doctor 12 hours away and all. So, what did the doctor say? Are you better now?
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
27 Jan 08
HI! I have missed you since you haven't been around as much! We're taking Dustin to see another doctor again soon too, and have an MRI since he's still having problems. So hopefully that will help sort it out. Ooooh I would have been ready to kill with that IV situation! How completely ridiculous, that it took so many tries like that! I realize it's hard when they're so small, but there has got to be some way to do it better! My health is still kind of up in the air. They went from calling my problem "Meniere's disease" to deciding it was a neurological issue instead, but they haven't diagnosed me with an actual neurological disease. They're more concerned with pumping me full of medicine than diagnosing it exactly. Right now I'm feeling somewhat better because of the medicines, which is good. I still have vertigo all the time, but it doesn't make me fall as much. Kind of like my body getting used to it. I've been working about 16 hours a week for a few months now, and I'm going up to about 30 hours in a couple of weeks. And I'm having acupuncture for the ear pain, which works wonders. I am still annoyed that we don't know what's wrong and I don't have a diagnosis, but I'm doing better than I was at least. I'm still having problems with my breathing as well (like always) and it's a little worse right now because of the cold, but no infection at the moment, which is good. So overall I guess you'd say I'm better than before at least! :)
@theprogamer (10539)
• United States
26 Jan 08
Easy there Lecan! Breathe! In...out...! Oh who am I kidding. Go get the noob! I support you 120% Now as for your topic I do show a little sympathy for the worker, maybe they are new or are actually having a tough time finding a vein. On the other hand, they should have gotten training and should have some idea of the anatomy in question (but then again, worse things have happened when it comes to "professionals" -_-) I hope your son is doing alright too, I didn't want to forget that.
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Jan 08
Hehe! You're always so much fun! I would feel for her too if it weren't for the fact that she didn't even mention the possibility of getting help, AND if she hadn't lied to us about whether or not Dustin could feel it. So far my son is doing okay, but we still don't know what's causing his seizures yet. We'll be off to Wisconsin again for more tests and another visit with a specialist sometime late next month.
@LadyDulce (830)
• United States
25 Jan 08
Absolutely. When my son was just an itty-bitty, he was getting his first round of immunizations and the nurse was actually very good. She was quick and efficient and my baby didn't even have a chance to cry until she was done. Nevertheless, he cried and I cried and I knocked the sh!t out of that poor nurse. Got her right in the jaw. Blessed Be
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Jan 08
Haha! I haven't felt the urge to hit nurses who did well, even if I knew my son was in pain, because I can tell they're doing a good job. It's only the incompetent ones I want to beat so far! :p
@Thoroughrob (11750)
• United States
25 Jan 08
I have, my son that has CP has to go through so much. You have every right to ask for someone else. They also have something to numb the area, as they used it on me, when they could not find a vein. To tell you that he could not feel it, I would have come unglued. She was doing her job and they are not perfect at it, but they should also call someone else if they run into problems.
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Jan 08
Very well put, Thoroughrob! I didn't know they had something they used to numb the area, I should keep that in mind for if this happens again!
• United States
25 Jan 08
My 9 year old son has severe hemophilia, a bleeding disorder in which his blood doesn't clot on it's own. Especially when he was younger, he was in the ER on average of once every 3 weeks. His veins were tiny, and he was a very strong little boy. He would fight the nurses for all he was worth. We quickly learned to allow each nurse three unsuccessful pokes before we asked for somebody else to do it. The nurses were really good about following our "rule", since they knew it was for Ben's good. I found out that the anesthesiologist and the peds or OB nurses were the best at getting a vein. Also, it helped to have my husband or or hold him while doing the poke. Good luck with the seizures and the hospital visits!
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Jan 08
Three sounds like a fairly good rule! Thanks for sharing! I've known some people with hemophilia, that can be pretty scary! Thanks for your good wishes! I'm hoping that thing will get better soon, since we're switching his medicines and taking him to a bigger hospital for more tests and to see a pediatric neurologist (again).
@fianne (1059)
• United States
25 Jan 08
hello again, lecanis... well, yes i already have exxperienced that. my son was hospitalized because of pneumonia when he was 2weeks old. i felt like i really would want to kill may people there in the hospital. first, the practicing physicians who tried to draw the IV line so my son can have the IV infusion. they requested us to buy the needle needed and it costs much to buy one. do you know how many times they made us buy the needle again and again? 6 times! my goodness. they were already 4 practicing physicians doing that, one after the other, when the needle is still not hooked to the vein for infusion. i felt like yelling to them. i told them do you really like my son to be practiced with your drawing the IV line for infusion? there are already 4 of you yet no one can ever get directly to the veins. and i am already very very angry because my son has been punctured at different venous parts in both hands and both feet. until my son's pediatrician came in and she did it just once then, bull's eye! she hit the metacarpal vein and then started the IV infusion. she was furious too of the practicing physicians. second, i would like to kick the nurse-aide. what she did to my son was very terrible. she was the one in-charge of taking the vital signs like the pulse rate, respiration rate, temperatute and the blood pressure. also, since my son has been ordered for pulmonary-aide ventilation, usually, chest physiotherapy is done after the ventilation. considering my son is 2WEEKS OLD. she really made the physiotherapy really hard, she tapped my son as if she is tapping an adult person, my son was already eye-bulging because he is already hurt, then he really cried after which. i asked the nursing-aide, who is your supervisor, perhaps she is wrong in hiring you here. she asked why, i told her, are you blind to see that your client here is a newborn baby? i am a nursing student myself so i know how it works. perhaps you do not know how to identify an infant to an adult or to an elderly. she just stopped, and with no respect, she left forgetting the PAI machine on our bedside making the head nurse in their night shift angry because of her negligence.
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Jan 08
Wow, those are some scary stories! Sorry to hear that you and your child had to go through all that! I've never had to deal with buying things while still at the hospital... it all just goes on the bill which comes to us later, and my insurance covers a lot of it. We only have to pay a $75 copay each time we go to the emergency room. I feel so grateful for that insurance!
@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
25 Jan 08
It is your' right to request that a senior nurse or even the attending physician draw the blood. You don't have to let the phlebotomist do it. She was wrong in saying that he couldn't feel that. I have thrown incompetant nurses out of the room and demanded that a more experienced person draw the blood or start the I.V. on my children. Remember that next time. You are well within your' rights to do what YOU deem best for your' child!
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
25 Jan 08
Thanks for your input, RebeccaLynn! Next time I'll know exactly what to do if we have an incompetent... though hopefully that won't happen again!
• United States
24 Jan 08
A good compassionate Phlebotomist will have ago at it, and if there is any strife or struggle will step aside and let someone else do it. I have even seen them call in anesthesiologists, to put an iv in or draw blood. Lecanis it does not matter how busy the ER is you are in control. All you have to do is say stop... let someone else do that now. I am sorry you had that you went through that. But hospital staff do understand that your very life is laying on that table, after a couple of tries it is time to let someone else have a go.
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
25 Jan 08
Angelwhispers, you are the voice of reason. You're right, I shouldn't let them make me feel I'm not in control of what happens to my child. Next time, I'll know what to do. :)
@jhuggi57 (19)
• United States
24 Jan 08
Yes,I will ask for someone else to draw the blood, and how can the nurse say that he can't fell anything, that is some Bull----, if I ever heard it.
@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
25 Jan 08
Yes! I think I would have been far less upset if she hadn't lied to us about it! It was bad enough she was having problems finding the vein and he was in pain, but to lie about it made it even worse! If I ever see her again, I will definitely ask for a switch.
@scammerwear (1433)
• Singapore
24 Jan 08
No kids (I think...), heck, not even married (before!) so I can't really know how you ladies feel when a medical staff is torturing your kid. But there are a few blood drawing medics who really have to thank 'upper management' for my lessons in self control, at less their full sets of teeth do :E I've been told that finding a vein is as much a skill as it is a gamble. Normally they know they are in trouble if they miss the first time. That's why they are also trained to pet talk parents while they are trying not to break into cold sweat. But then again she might just suck. In any case, remember her face and request someone else when you see her =x
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@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
24 Jan 08
Hehe... I had to laugh at your "(I think...)". You're so funny! :P *nods* I have a hard time with them myself sometimes. I had one when I was a kid that I called "The Butcher"... and every single person whose drawn my blood since then should thank him because he made me think everyone else was awesome by comparison! That's a good tip... next time I see her I'll just automatically ask for another one!
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• United States
1 Feb 08
I had this problem when my son was 19 years old. LOL He had gotten into an accident and they thought he had broken his neck. His ear was half hanging off his head and they kept bumping into it and he would scream in pain. It was horrible and I wanted to kill everybody!