American FEMINIST becomes MUSLIM !
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
February 5, 2008 9:28am CST
Yes, it is true! While an undergraduate at an American university, a young idealistic American woman decided to become a Muslim. She's disappointed in how her faith treats women! What did she expect?
Read her story here.
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/
What are your comments or thoughts about this story? Did you find any of the other stories there interesting? Please, start a threat with it.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
5 Feb 08
In this particular instance, yours is a concise, accurate, articulate, and eloquent response. Thank you.
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@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
5 Feb 08
I was wondering why she did not realise from the beginning that she must know Arabic before she could interpret Quran. That's something which I have heard again and again people say. I also wonder how can a feminist become a Muslim when Islam okays polygamy.
regards,
headhunter525
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
5 Feb 08
My opinion is that she is an idealistic high IQ liberal. Such people often times are surprised when reality does not match with the ideal.
She probably saw the good in Islamic teachings, while merely ignoring or discounting the bad. It happens all the time in many different situations.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
21 Feb 08
The American Islamic Fellowship seems to have been founded by American converts to Islam. American woman that is. These idealistic girls think they can lift Islam out of the middle ages. I am terribly afraid their life might be in danger. A radical imam or whoever has the authority to issue a fatwa could inspire a fanatic to end their lives in a minute.
These idealistic ladies who seem very sincere call themselves islamic feminists. Islam has always claimed to treat women equally but of course we know this is not the case. Look at the inheritance laws, divorce, reporting of rapes etc. and the fact that the Koran instructs men to beat their wives in certain circumstances. I could go on.
I guess like in a cult, the rituals performed faithfully on your own and in the company of other women, the certainly what is expected of you, the truth that cannot be altered give these females a sense of belonging. But do they?
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
21 Feb 08
Whether or not 'Islamic feminists' can even really exist or are only the figments of their own deluded imaginations, this is question too deep for me!
Do they really belong? To Islam? Maybe. Not much of an answer, I know. Sorry.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
6 Feb 08
Hello Red,
I had wanted to respond to this discussion yesterday. Alas, I had no time. Sorry!
Anyway, I'm thrilled by these two gal converts' efforts. I have been saying for some time that the only way that Musim's will be dragged into this milennium is if Muslim women begin to take the initiative. That is what these two women are doing.
Is it risky? Absolutely!
Is it idealistic rather than pragmatic? Absolutely!
Is it potentially life threatening? Absolutely!
Unless they're numbskulls, they surely realize the risks. Yet, their courage propels them forward. The particular sect of Islam that they've embraced has a long history of prejudice from the more populated sects of Islam. Primarily because of it's views on women, though there is a bit of a history of attempted emergence as a greater sect, which was met with tremedous violenct force.
It would have been easier for them to formulate and develop a new sect, or a new religion altogether. Though, many of mankind's greatest leaps forward have been represented by reform, rather than substitution.
I give these gals alot of credit for their courage, and willigness to attempt to initiate reform. Let's look at Benazir Bhutto, for example. She didn't abandon her faith because the culture that embraces it is so riddled with incongruities. Instead, she broke through glass ceiling after glass ceiling so that she might affect real, long-term change. Granted, it got her killed. Though none can argue that her life has deeply affected the whole of the world -- Muslim's included.
Would I ever follow in their footsteps? No, I wouldn't. Not even in the U.S.A., which follows a much watered down version of Islam. I am not drawn to the tenets of Islam, nor the supposition that Mohammed is an annointed prophet. So, it is inconceivable that I would do as they've done. Though, that doesn't prevent me from respecting their decision, or from harboring some hope that their actions cause other Muslim women, from other sects to clutch the mantle of reform.
I wish them only the best. May they be guided by wisdom, and good judgement, that they do not open a doorway for the actions of any extremists to infiltrate and inculcate their ranks.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
6 Feb 08
I join you in your wishing these women well. But, I have to think joining Islam and trying to influence it to move in a new direction even as it shapes your own spiritual life is a 'fools errand'. May Allah protect them.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
6 Feb 08
Hello Red,
Yup, you're probably 'spot on' about the "fool's errand". Yet, Islam is going anywhere, anytime soon. So, as I see it, every noble attempt at reform can only help!
Of course, if any lame-brained religious thug succeeds at thwarting their effort by way of either's violent demise, then that will pretty much seal the fate of Islam in this country -- and most likely elsewhere.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
5 Feb 08
Well the Muslims have already started a threat several years ago, at least the radical ones did... so I see no point to make any new threats.
I found the story hilariously funny... and is just what she deserved for thinking that Western values had any place in the Muslim cult.
I wonder how this new feminist and Western friendly "American Islamic Fellowship" is going to be received by the fundamentalists who have been so helpful to the west for all of these years?
This is like "Muslim Light" and I am fairly sure the Imams will not be amused.
I wonder how long it will be before an edict is issued requiring the ultimate price for screwing with the Muslim "religion"
I do agree with the imams on one point however... Islam is completely incompatible with Western culture and should be banned forthwith as a threat to our way of life.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
5 Feb 08
I would ban any religion in the USA that does not allow other religions where it is dominate. For example, try to build a Christian church in Saudi Arabia. It is against the law. You can't do it.
In other words, I would put a corollary of the 'Golden Rule' in effect concerning religion. The 'Golden Rule' being, "DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU." The corollary is, "OTHERS USUALLY DO UNTO YOU AS YOU DO UNTO THEM."
It is long past time to let Islam know that it will be treated 'here' as it treats others 'there'.
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@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
5 Feb 08
any american woman even considering such a move should join Britiny in the psych ward
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
5 Feb 08
Very true. Didn't Britney even consider becoming Muslim?
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@academic2 (7000)
• Uganda
6 Feb 08
Wao! it exposed me to the intellectual prowess which l thought was lacking in the Islamic faith-for a long time time Islam to me was synonymous with violence and wanton killing for matyredom's sake-but frankly the components of these stories were very engaging, perhaps this was a typical wake up call for me too, to understand what Islam is all about below the surface, away from what we perceive it to be!!
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
6 Feb 08
Yes, it is true. Islam is not all about wanton killing for matyredom's sake. The problem is that when you have someone in your group willing to kill with only slight provocation, it greatly limits the behavior of everyone else in the group. It certainly, too, alters how others perceive your group.
I'm of the opinion that all the major religions, to include even Islam, have basic divine truth contained within them for the enlightenment of humankind. The problem is that along the way, ordinary men corrupt that truth in a desire to manipulate their fellow man for riches and power.
Islam has been dominated by the more barbaric of the Muslims to the detriment of Islam. When these barbaric radicals can be defeated, maybe that which is good of Islam can become dominate.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
21 Feb 08
Without getting caught up in the Islamic aspect of this post; it is yet another case of the "Grass is always greener" syndrome! Idealism is pretty much always battered down into the ground by the harsh realities of the world. At least the woman was prepared to step outside of the harsh glare of societal expectations and pursue a different path. I guess she learned the hard way that RARELY does the other half have it any better!
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
21 Feb 08
It has been said the school of hard knocks is the best teacher because it is the most expensive.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
6 Feb 08
1) "Lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut!"
2) "Lower than whale feces!"
The two above colloquial expressions apatly describe the status of women in Islam and Christianity. I shall not quibble concerning which is which.
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