How do you unexpectedly give birth?
By sedel1027
@sedel1027 (17846)
Cupertino, California
February 28, 2008 9:39am CST
There is an article in today's news about a woman who unexpectedly gave birth in India. She was using the restroom and the baby was delivered and fell through the open hole in the toilet. So far the police are not charging the woman since the baby did survive after lying on the railroad track for 2 hours.
This brings up two questions for me:
1. How do you unexpectedly give birth? I didn't have a hard labor with my son, but I knew the pains I was having probably were labor pains and I definitely was aware when I was in full blown labor.
2. If you were pregnant and having possible delivery pains, why would you sit on a toilet knowing your child could fall to its death?
Here is the article if you would like to read it: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333437,00.html
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12 responses
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
28 Feb 08
Wow, I know a woman can be pregnant and not know it, but not give birth..
My sisters sister-in-law, she had stomach cramps and went to the hospital only to find she was in labor, she didn't even know she was pregnant..
Maybe the woman in India thought the cramps were like when you have diarrhea and that is why she sat on the toilet. I think it is a miracle the child survived though..
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
29 Feb 08
Yes, I didn't think I needed to say it, but she was over weight..
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@bobbyjoe143 (1287)
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28 Feb 08
A lot of women get "braxton hicks" which is basically false labour, you get the pains, but are not actually in labour, she may have had that and thought nothing more of it.
also, having given birth myself, i know that when you get the need to push, it can sometimes feel like you need a poop, and if this woman wasn't actually getting contraction pains, and just thought she needed a poop, then perhaps she truely didn't know that she was about to give birth.
i can't imagine that she did this on purpose, everyones' labour is different, my experience will not be the same as yours ect...
to answer your second question, again she may not have been having contractions at all, and going to the toilet can sometimes be a must when pregnant, i am pretty sure that my son used my bladder as a trampoline when i was pregnant lol, going to the loo was a 10-15 times a day thing for me by the 8 month + period.
@subha12 (18441)
• India
29 Feb 08
I think i have read this story in news paper. I am from India only. actually they say that the baby was preterm and the mother had no idea about the sudden birth of the child. Its really God's grace that the baby is unscratched and safe.
@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
28 Feb 08
Well...if I were to compare my 6th labor with my fourth, I wouldn't have known I was in full blown with my 6th either. My 4th was easily 30 on a scale of 1-10 while my 6th never got worse than 4, so if my 4th had been my only experience for comparison I probably would have figured I was having more false labor right up until #6's head delivered!
-So maybe this woman was in a similar position and was on the train to get where she needed to be to deliver.
My other thought was how did the baby fall completely out like that? Did she not realize she was delivering a baby until after she saw it bounce under the train? Did the umbilical cord break all by itself the very second the baby came out or did the placenta delivery at the same time too? I just don't understand how that could happen, open toilet or not...I mean it's like she knew enough to know that her baby fell out the toilet but not enough to have caught it as it came out? Seems fishy to me....
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
28 Feb 08
You know how when you're on a highway & a 18wheeler drives past you speeding, it causes that bit pull on your car? I'm guessing the birth itself was fast. Mom could have pushed just to the point of shoulders and the speed of the train could have caused enough counter pull to just pull the baby & the placenta the rest. I believe trains travel around 90-110 miles an hour (although I could be mistaken on that) definitely much faster than highway speeds for cars. And she was passed out for at least two stops of the train according to the article. What an awful experience to see your baby in danger & then lose conscienseness.
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@olivemai (4738)
• United States
29 Feb 08
UNless she was told that the baby would be deformed and was trying to get rid of her, which at first glance it looks like the baby is very unevenly built, I do not think she could help this situation. There were some mistakes made, but it wasn't like she did not know she was pregnant! That is what I thought you meant at first, and I know that happens too! I have had doctors tell me that I was not pregnant, and it turned out that I was indeed! Life is complicated, and pregnancy even more complicated!
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
28 Feb 08
There really are women who labor without "pain". For some women it may be that they have a high pain threshold and what you & I would say is pain is just mildly uncomfortable for them. For others though, I really do believe their labor just isn't painful. I'm a student midwife, and biologically labor doesn't have to hurt. Our bodies are designed to birth. If you've ever witnessed an animal birthing, many do not seem to be bothered, troubled, or distressed by it- although some do. Or even if you've ever watched Discovery channel type shows with tribal people, sometimes their births look peaceful & easy. I used hypnosis for my last birth, and birthed at home with a midwife. And although I can't say it was completely pain-free, it wasn't like my other births. On a scale of 1-10 my pains with my other 3 children were 20s! This labor was a 2, minor discomfort at times and moderate discomfort during transition.
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@castratton (139)
• United States
28 Feb 08
Yes but pain or no pain you should still be aware that the baby is leaving your body. Thanks to the miracle of an epidural I felt no pain with my last birth, but I still knew he was coming out. Not to mention the baby is still attached to its cord so even if the baby slips out and you don't realize its happening then its not like its finished yet. But boy are you lucky to go natural and have suc little pain. Congratulations!
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
28 Feb 08
I didn't read the article before posting, I'm postpartum myself & stuff like that can cause a bit of an emotional response for me. I also hadn't thought about the umbilical cord or placenta when I responded. But now that I have done both. The placenta was probably ripped quite violently from this woman's body. The amount of blood lost, could be causing some confusion for her even later when she was being interviewed by the police. It did say it was a premature birth. I can imagine thinking you are very constipated late in a pregnancy, most women are, then feeling like she needs to use the restroom- if she's not very educated about birth & her body, it does seem possible that she wouldn't think this was birth until it was too late to do anything different. And to now be unclear about what exactly happen. I really feel horrible for both the mom & baby. They're both lucky to be alive.
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@wrld_n_harmony (695)
• United States
29 Feb 08
Which hypno program did you use? I'm really interested in Hypnobabies, but I'm not sure if it's the best one?

@castratton (139)
• United States
28 Feb 08
You forgot to mention that she gave birth on a MOVING train when she went to the bathroom over an open hole. I'm sorry after reading the actual news article I'm too dumbfounded to think of anything to say to this. Wow is about all I can say. What makes America great.....hmmm.....trains with plumbing!
Yeah but I was very very aware that I was giving birth with both my sons. Can't begin to imagine what she's been up to that would make it so she couldn't feel labor and birth!
@pitstop (15551)
• Australia
28 Feb 08
The lady collapsed after the birth and once revived was fully aware that she had delivered. Its called precipitate labour and happens in some preterm babies.
If she was in a normal toilet the baby would have drowned in the water before the mother recovered. In a way she was lucky the baby just fell through a hole.
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
29 Feb 08
Back before you had babies in the hospital I had a great aunt that had one pain and the baby was born. With her first one she was attached to the baby for hours before someone found her. She never had time to get help with any of her children. since this baby was born premature the placenta could easily have been expelled at the same time as the baby was born. The article doesn't say how fast the train was going. It could have been a slow train. I agree that both the baby and mother were very lucky. hopefully the baby will live.
@lavenderbloom (1057)
• United Arab Emirates
29 Feb 08
Hi,
It can happen and I have heard before. The lady never expected that the child will be born when she goes to the loo. It can just happen anywhere. It can be a plane or a train. Some babies are born premature. May be due to the moving train or some internal force, the baby was pushed out of the mother's womb. Thank god the baby is safe. God bless them.
@olivemai (4738)
• United States
29 Feb 08
I think an even better question is, why in the world do the toilets open up to the tracks? Anybody can get hurt that way and it is gross and disgusting that feces, urine, and menstrual blood are dumped on the tracks! No wonder there is still so much sickness in third world countries when people still do not have sanitary living conditions! Since she was so early, 8-10 weeks, and the baby is very tiny on one side of her body while much bigger on the other side, I can understand giving birth unexpectantly! It may not have been her first pregnancy, and some women experience labor quite differently than others! The train ride itself must have caused many vibrations, the same way a motorcycle does! That is why traveling while pregnant is not considered as safe as traveling while not being pregnant. We do take risks in order to live in a "modern" world! The vibrations could have caused her to go into labor, and with each additional pregnancy, labor is typically shorter and more surprising each time! I felt every single contraction every time! One thing you have to remember, it is up to the doctors and nurses to admit you and I have been sent home the first 5 times I gave birth! Too early, come back in a few days, they tell you! Even the midwife who delivered at my house thought she had more time and almost did not make it back! All the doctors can work with is how long the "average" woman takes to deliver. Most women go around 2 centimeters dilated for at least 2 weeks! They can be that way for several months too! One person I heard gave birth in the bathroom, not her first child, so I know it does happen. The woman feels the urge to go, but it can be the water breaking. The article says the woman fell unconscious, so apparently nobody went to the restroom with her! This is all a shame and all I can say is that parents get way too much blame and not enough thanks or notice of the contributions they do make. We are not perfect but we are are expected to be!
@coly20032003 (428)
• China
29 Feb 08
As you say that I think the reality is really very cruel,in some place in the world ,people live very poor life ,and their life circumstance is really very bad.Maybe they can't afford to the cost of a baby.In my hometown,some people even do this kind of things,which really make my heart hurt.
@bobet17 (158)
• Philippines
29 Feb 08
Yeah I heard that news also on tv,I was so shocked of what happened to the baby,If the time comes that Im getting pregnant I will go to the doctor to check my condition so that I will not experienced that.Im so afraid of what happened to my baby,or maybe I will stay at home during pregnancy hehe.
@wrld_n_harmony (695)
• United States
29 Feb 08
That's really crazy! It's amazing to me that she didn't feel anything! I've been on those trains in India, and you're in the perfect squat position to push a baby out. Maybe it's possible she thought she just needed to poo???? That poor woman - it must have been traumatizing!










