question for atheists: Why is it that religious ppl always sound so brainwashed?
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
Canada
March 17, 2008 3:03pm CST
I posted this discussion http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1437804.aspx?p=1#2_16791153
and after reading a few funny comments about people and their imaginary friends... i realized that it wasn't funny anymore.
it was scary.
people speak as though they are in a cult or something, their lives taken over by this being..
sometimes you try to have a debate with someone and they respond with 'jesus is my lord and savior'
what are you supposed to say to that??
i mean, how do you respond to this?
do you try to respond? do you just move on? do you laugh?
i used to laugh, but now i find it scary. these people are deranged.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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17 Mar 08
It's the atheists that sound brainwashed to me
all the best urban
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@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
25 Mar 08
is objectivism and imperialism and physical reality and observable facts and the scientific method tools to brainwash you?
If so, I guess im a brainless zombie.
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@HawaiiGopher (1009)
• Belgium
25 Mar 08
Atheists use what logic and rational thought has to offer. We create no organized groups. We have no set of rules. We have no rituals. We do not follow traditions. Isn't that the complete opposite of being brainwashed?
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
25 Mar 08
..well, ya know, evolution, has never been proven, and even though they don't remove old ideas from the textbooks but keep presenting them as 'facts', there's a large lack of evidence for the theory and much of natural law that contradicts it.. The hardest thing to pierce through is what someone has been taught, whether from church or from school [since only one theory or belief of origins is allowed to be taught, this makes the current theory the state mandated belief - as a teacher you can get fired if you raise any of the (many) questions or problems with the theory].
- It's also true however, that (for one) over 2OOO years christianity has lost a lot of its "good news" and, has picked up some baggage along the way (after all it's made up of humans, and has been passed down through many human hands).. Some untrue things are believed, which are not logical (hell, for instance, an absurd mistranslation which should read "the grave") hence the repeating of rote and answers which don't really make sense.. But the idea of a creator or God is no more ridiculous than the idea that it's impossible there be one.. After all I can look around our world and everything I see in man's world came about by design and not by spontaneous becoming, even if there were trillions of years available.. The bird is every bit as complex in design as the passenger jumbo jet.. No machine ever built is thought to have evolved somehow.. No auto, etc.. especially when we see all matter tends toward falling apart (rusting, etc) not toward greater complexity and endurance, etc.. But of course, many cannot see past what they have been taught the facts are. The universe is the greatest machine there is.. and second to that may be the human body.. and as complex as the computer is, the human mind is more complex still.. and the differing DNA codes which are found in every living thing is like a computer program.. The new (not outdated) question is: where does information come from?
@twilight_75 (479)
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17 Mar 08
Each to their own i say, but for me its not! as long as no one tries to ram their views down my throat i don't care who or what they worship. I know what you mean though, some are really quite scary. I had a woman who lived down the street from me when i was a kid, curtains drawn all the time, always knocking on doors trying to get us all to see the light, then going into one about sinners and hell etc if the door got shut in her face.....
..........it's not fair to genralise them all though, i know a lot of people who consider themselves christians, and their lovely, and just get on with it in their own way, and accept that not everyone shares their view.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
17 Mar 08
No they aren't deranged , they are just a Christian.If someone says that Jesus is their Lord and savior to me, I say okay and let it go at that. but to assume just because they believe and you don't makes them deranged is beneath you. There are many religious people who would think you are crazy not to believe in G-d.And you know that's wrong.I am sorry you think of religion as a cult but that doesn't give you the right to deem every religious person deranged.
Any member of a group can come across as they belong to cult when they talk about their group.I know it is hard to discuss religion with some people but if you really want to find the answers keep trying.
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@ajgarcia (44)
• Dominican Republic
18 Mar 08
I live in a country where most people are religious, and i tell you, when i try to have a friendly debate with someone about their beliefs, they start saying that jesus is the one and only, the savior, that the bible is the word of god, that is perfect, and so on and on.
Yes, i used to think it was scary, but now i find it stupid, and i have really tried, but i seriously have no idea of how someone can believe in an imaginary being and in a book full of contradictions, murders and such, even worse, they live guided by this book.
Funny thing, this morning i was reading the newspaper sitting outside when this woman from the 2nd floor comes down and says: god bless you, i say: good morning; it was ok, i guess, then my father comes out and she says: god bless you, and my father says: amen, then she says: yes, we have to thank our lord for giving us the opportunity to live this wonderful day, and we have to be thankful for everything that happens to us, being good or bad, praise the lord.
I was, what the...??? is this woman crazy? now that is scary.
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@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
25 Mar 08
i woulda ben like
"i love satan"
just for a laugh lol..
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@TravisE (440)
• United States
18 Mar 08
Religious people sound brainwashed to you for the same reason you sound brainwashed to them; because you are. Making an absolute claim locks your brain against discussion. That is a fine thing to do, but don't think it means anything other than you have brainwashed yourself for that particular discussion and are not staying open to the conversation.
I am not saying you should not be an atheist. I think that is a fine thing. But, from your post you have plainly brainwashed yourself so you already know the answer to your question. ;-)
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@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
25 Mar 08
is objectivism and imperialism and physical reality and observable facts and the scientific method tools to brainwash you?
If so, I guess im a brainless zombie.
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@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
26 Mar 08
you took psychology in university?
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@bradhart (659)
• United States
26 Mar 08
Trav- you are quite right on those who try and make absolute claims, especially the atheists. They are so sure that all their rationalizing leads the to the only possible conclusion. What they can't seem to get through their heads is how many of them are substituting faith in science's yet unproven theories for the faith others have in mysticism.
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@bradhart (659)
• United States
18 Mar 08
The religious are for all technical purposes brainwashed. Changing the word from religion to cult could convict most pastors in a court of law of any number of crimes.
I will point out to devout atheists you suffer from just as many delusions believing you can prove there is no god as those who believe they can prove it. Most atheists accept scientific answers on as much faith as the religious zealots accept god. There are many things in the universe that are not quantitatively provable, and any time we say differently we suffer from delusions as the religious faithful have when they say they can prove x because the bible says so.
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
25 Mar 08
is objectivism and imperialism and physical reality and observable facts and the scientific method tools to brainwash you?
If so, I guess im a brainless zombie.
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@bradhart (659)
• United States
25 Mar 08
Fine use your scientific method to prove there is no god. The difference between atheism and agnosticism is slim, but very important. Atheists believe that you can categorically prove their is no god. Agnostics, no matter what our gut tells us about divine existence, don't say we don't know, we say you can't know.
Please prove to me using your objective scientific model that god can not exist. If you can't prove it as easily as you can prove 1+1=2, then you are just working on gut instinct and as much faith as the christians have that there is.
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@HawaiiGopher (1009)
• Belgium
25 Mar 08
Well, I don't know if you can say that we believe you can PROVE he doesn't exist, but rather we believe that his existence is merely impossible. At least, that's what I believe as an atheist.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 Mar 08
I am not an atheist but the only thing to say okay,
let the person believe what they want and kindly remind them that you are also free to believe what you want,
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
18 Mar 08
I don't know. I am a very spiritual person but I don't subscribe to any religion. I do understand what you are saying but my feeling is ...to each his own. I have seen some people find God and religion and it has helped them turn their lives around. If it helps someone find their way for whatever reason then I guess it has its purpose.
@Foxfire1875 (2010)
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23 Mar 08
There are a lot who are completely deranged and unable to think for themselves. They seem to think they have the monopoly on being good people, when the scary fact is they are usually the ones who bomb abortion clinics.
It is unfair on the religious people who are ok and don't persist in trying to convert you. For some it is a comfort in a scary world and if that is what makes them happy, I'm happy to leave them with their beliefs.
It is best to ignore them as no amount of arguing will get them to see things your way or even listen to your side of the argument.
@fightingistheonlyway (2658)
• Canada
25 Mar 08
I dont debate with people who say their core beliefs are based on 'faith' simply because I have no arguments against that.. I do, but thers really no point.
I only debate with those who claim its logical or based on something other than faith like evidence.. lol..
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@Freddixx (13)
• Germany
18 Mar 08
I think you have to distinguish between a religious person and a pure fanatic. A normal Christian or whatever shoudn't be acting brainwashed.. usually it's the extremists, the fanatics causing this wrong image about people believing in God.
If bet that you wouldn't even recognize that I'm a Christ unless I told you that I am one ;)
@Pitgull (1522)
• United States
10 May 08
And wasn't Jesus saying don't praise me, praise the father I come from? He was trying to send the world a completely different message than what was gotten...
People worshiping people....hmmm....What about people loving one another? And working together for the good of humanity? I know, idealistic to make the world a better place for everyone...because then what....people might be happier...
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@CelticSoulSister (1640)
• Southend-On-Sea, England
9 May 08
I find it scarey that they have to bring it into every sentence they speak - to me that's not true faith, it's that they're brainwashed and obsessed. If you are truly secure in what you believe, you don't have to keep on mentioning it. I agree with you!
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 Mar 08
Well I'm not an atheist, and although I was raised in a Christian environment, I was lucky I didn't have religion crammed down my throat thanks to a "with it" great grandmother..LOL...I was baptized Catholic, confirmed Protestant, studied Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufism, Roscicrucianism..you name it...now I consider myself a "born again Pagan"--hehee But yes, I come across people who are so wrapped up in their religion that they think only THEY will go to heaven, and only those who follow Christ will be able to enter heaven...that only their religion is the right one, and if we don't follow their beliefs that we will go to purgatory...gee an awful lot of people are going to hell then..right? In fact I've done a few discussions about this myself..the latest one is this
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1451745.aspx#
When I hear some of these people and their viewpoints they come across so narrow and closed minded and sound as if they are living in the medieval period---I have often expressed my viewpoints in a rather diplomatic way I might add, but people like this are so glued to taking the bible as gospel truth that they can't expand their minds and a lot has to do I think with plain fear...if a person is taught a certain way of thinking and they hear something that goes against their principles they fear it..maybe they fear it cause it would destroy their beliefs and then they might have no faith at all or lose it--something most people don't want to experience--so they rather remain in their little world
@Mythion (188)
• Israel
10 May 08
If someone gives me that kind of answer I will say I believe in the Screwdriver-Weasel my true god and savior who created earth from a talking plastic doll and if he responds with an answer like "What are you talking about?!..." I'll say "what are you talking about?! from what cartoon did you take this story?". Some ppl are not brainwashed, some are not capable of thier own opinion so they go with what everyone say.
@qwedloki100 (103)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Okay, I laugh and i find them derange. I know it's scary, those people are like "God is in your heart" "God is everywhere, always watching over you" Chill, Mr. Stalker.
There is abosultely no point in having a debate about religion. Theists are always like "I feel his Holiness in my heart, so he exist." Well, I don't, so therefore, he doesn't.
I seirously agree with you100%.
