Why is Barack Obama worth defending

@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
March 19, 2008 6:47pm CST
Come on folk I know that you worship this guy, but give me a brake. I have started discussions before asking people just to explain to me what is so great about this guy that you would sacrifice their first born. Yes I know that he give spell binding speaches that hypnotizes you, but I will ask you the question that was asked to State Sen. Kirk Watson(Head of Obama Texas campaign) name one accomplishment. Guess what he is just like you he could not. All I am asking is can anyone just answer my question with out calling me a racist for asking this simple question. Pretend that I was an Independent, why would I vote for this guy.
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• United States
21 Mar 08
The way I see the Obama movement is the same thing I see happening to the young people here in my almost all white small town. The younger generation around here seem to be embracing blacks. Not that it's a bad thing, I think it's wonderful actually. Obama hasn't done or said much to impress me at all. I think he has become popular because he, is popular. For some reason we are a bunch of followers. Then when we get mad about OUR choices we get mad at the people we followed. Instead of checking into things for ourselves we let others persuade us. I wonder how many people will vote for him because it looks like everyone else is voting for him. I wonder how many of us have paid enough attention to our system to know that there can and should be more parties than Democrat and Republican? Our founding fathers talked about this happening. They were afraid of it happening. I wonder how many people know about the amazing speeches some of our founding fathers have made? I wonder how many Americans understand the seriousness of their vote? Most people I know don't want to talk about politics even. Not many Americans I know even understand or applicate how wonderful it is to be an American.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
21 Mar 08
Very well penned, WhatsHerName!
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• United States
25 Mar 08
Thank you Lady. I get all emotional about our country. I have been so upset most of my life at the lack of interest I see and have seen all around me. I get tired of listening to people complain when they won't get involved. I also get tired of listening to people complain yet they don't understand or appreciate how good they have it.
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• Italy
21 Mar 08
I think too americans should have more than two possibilities of choice. I mean, if they both suck or are too similar (I'm talking in general, not about this election) then what's the choice?
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
20 Mar 08
He isn't worth defending. He doesn't represent hope or change at all, and he has no real experience to draw on. What he does have is the now known association with a racist, white hating, America hating mentor and adviser whose influence goes back some twenty years or better. More than that, this adviser also happens to be his pastor and leader of the church that Obama has gone to for those twenty years, which indicates that as a church member Obama not only knew about the pastor's beliefs but also agreed with them, else he would have left that church long ago. Since he did not, we can only conclude that Obama was in complete agreement and approval of the pastors message of hate and racism that he regularly preached. If this was about McCain, everyone knows what thew result would be. Since it is about Obama, we are somehow expected to view these things in a different light. This is nothing more than a double standard, and is easily detectable as such by any reasonable individual.
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• United States
20 Mar 08
I can see the double standard issue and the other day i was listening to public radio and some commenters were like "how come whites do not know how a black church runs but black people know what to expect from a white church" and I think this is so dumb the bickering, apparently, people are saying that obabma is seen a a loyal person for sticking there with the reverend but also explaining his issues growing up both white and black and that obama only wants the race cards to end and that is what he stand for but I am skeptical about so many things. If Hillary goes up against McCain I think that alot of things will come up that Obama will have to address but everyone seems to be in this stupor so i cannot even say that.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
20 Mar 08
The only things worth defending Obama according to some people is that he is black (well half black, but I guess the white part does not count) and that he is a democrat. Those are not considered admirable qualities that should be held up. What is the poor put upons who were now given a chance, people with red hair? Would then some celebrity start a campaign praising the red haired candidate? That is just as ridiculous. This presidential campaign has concentrated on two people, Hillary and Obama and not for their issues, that are similar, but their gender and race and when you elect someone like that, you are in trouble because you assume that they do things to benefit their race and gender. Now what would happen if Obama was elected and did away with the affirmative action program instead of expanding it? That is why you should vote on issues and not on race or gender.
@mrsbrian (1949)
• United States
20 Mar 08
I could not tell you one good thing about that man ,far as im concerned hes very shady and he will not be getting my vote.
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• United States
21 Mar 08
You would vote for him because you are not listening or reading. You are unaware. You would vote for him because someone told you to. You would vote for him because he is black....yes, so many people are voting for him because of that. I am so tired of people denying it. Why do you think Oprah is voting for him? Never in her career has she so blatantly if at all, rallied for a presidential candidate. Why is she rallying for Obama? Because he is black. If he wins, she gets to sleep in Lincoln's bedroom.
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• Italy
21 Mar 08
"You would vote for him because he is black....yes, so many people are voting for him because of that. I am so tired of people denying it. " I don't blame them, coz if I was american and black I would vote for him too. You can still trust a black guy to pay more attention to black rights. But why women don't do the same thing and vote for Hilary? The world needs a woman president to show that women can have power too Why if a woman does so then she's wrong, while all black are voting for Obama?
• United States
20 Mar 08
good question but you probably wont get a straight answer. what you will get is a whole bunch of beating around the question without a real answer. I dont think he is worth defending at all. I always knew that he had to be hiding something and finally we all figured it out. we need a democrat in office and it is not him. I have asked this question to several people as well and they never answer with any real substance. I will watch this thread and see if we get anything different here.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
20 Mar 08
Hello Asuniqueasyou, For curiosity's sake, why do ... "we need a democrat in office and it is not him."? What about a Republican, an Independent, a Green, or a Constitutionalist, etc...? Why do we need a democrat in the office? This seems to indicate, to me, that while you recognize individuality among Democrats, that you don't among other party representatives. As a matter of point: some of our greatest Presidents have been Republicans. For example: Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan, to name a few.
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• United States
20 Mar 08
i didnt say there were bad republican presidents but you are rather defensive and quick to read to far into a simple statement. perhaps because the current republican president has successfully driven our country into a recession. will an independent ever win the white house...not in my lifetime, there are not enough of them in this country to overpower dems or repubs so come on get real. asking that question is just rediculous. we do need a democrat in office just not obama. too bad edwards dropped out, he would have been a good choice. you failed to answer the question of this thread to begin with so maybe re-read the question and offer your opinion on that and dont worry about what my opinion is.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
20 Mar 08
Hello Asuniqueasyou, Hmmm, rather than answering a direct, sincere question, you have embraced contemptuousness, and accused me of not only failing to answer the original question, but also of displaying 'defensiveness'. To be sure, you are in error on both counts. Regarding the original question: please see the specific response: "I find no reason to defend his run for the office of the Presidency". On your second accusation, it is you who is attempting to deflect sincere inquiry, not I. Now back to my original question: Why have you decreed that "we need a democrat in office?". This is not a ridiculous question, as you've made the statement twice in this thread. This indicates to me that you believe your own idiom. Morover, your declaration goes to the point of individual choice for elected representation. You have not said that you would like (hope for, desire, etc...) a Democrat to be elected. You have said that "we need a democrat in office" -- and not once, but twice! While you have further indicated that that Democrat is not Obama. This demonstrates that you are telling me and all other readers of this thread how we need to vote. Do you understand why I find your declaration so troubling? You are not positioned to tell other voters how we "need" to vote, any more than I am. While I attribute little weight to, I'm still intrigued as to why you would believe that you hold the authority to tell others what they need, as far as elected representation. As well -- what will and will not come to pass in the future. Specifically, you've also declared that a representative of another party will not be elected. While I would concur that the chances are not high, I am compelled to ask: Are you aware that not one of the political parties have held their conventions yet? And, that the pundits are concerned that the time is overly ripe for the rise of a third party? For example: Joe Lieberman, one of the most powerful members of the U.S. Senate, and the former Dem V.P. candidate is no longer affiliated with the Democrat Party. He is a registered Independent, and was elected as such. There are many Libertarians, Greens, and Independents currently holding elected office around the country. To further clarify, while I generally agree with the sentiment of your original response -- I am outraged when one voter tells another what they need. I would be equally outraged if a Republican told me that we 'need' to vote for a particular party or candidate. Although I consider myself a Conservative, there have been examples of Conservatives from both of the major parties, and several of the minor ones. I would caution you to respect the rights of individuals to choose their own candidates and party affilitiation. While most parties have vetted tolerable candidates, and occassionally great candidates through the years. They have all also vetted unacceptable candidates. So, please do not tell me, or others that we need a democrat in office. It is not your place to do so.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
20 Mar 08
Hello Gewcew, For me personally, just seeing the words "worship" and "president" in the same paragraph is very troubling. We are all imperfect beings. Though, some more than others, for sure. As for Barack Obama, while I will defend his right to be just as imperfect as the rest of us, I find no reason to defend his run for the office of the Presidency. An office that demands the equal representation of all of America's citizens. It would seem to me that Obama has aligned himself with at least three radicalized groups of people, where none represent the whole of the American constituency. Specifically, corrupt Muslim groups (Tony Rezko), Wm. Ayers - a member of the radical, violent "Weather Underground", and Reverend Wright, who espouses the hate-filled message of the Black Power Movement. While I could defend his choice of associations as an individual citizen, I cannot offer him that same blind-eye as an elected representative of these United States. We're all responsible for our own choices in life. Obama is no different!
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
20 Mar 08
Hello Revellanotvanella, I'm glad that I was able to offer something that seems to be in support of your beliefs. Please, please do not ever allow yourself to be pressured to vote a particular way, by anyone. Choice is the life-blood of free and fair elections. Your opinion, beliefs, creed on life, etc... is your own. They are what makes you truly unique and valuable! You are endowed with the right to elect representation that you believe most closely matches your own value system. If ever someone attempst to coerce your vote, please know that their own aggression is symptomatic of their fear of losing. However you choose to protect yourself from their coersion, know that you will be in the right for doing so. So, whether you ignore them, placate them, or stand up to them, whichever... Just do what you can to protect the Freedom that is the very reason for the founding of our great nation, and then vote your conscience and your will in the privacy of the voting booth! Oh, and thank you!
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• United States
20 Mar 08
thanks for saying that ladyluna, because its hard to not feel pressured to vote for someone, like i should be but not knwoing WHY, and your comment put it perfectly.
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@cupoftea (714)
• United States
20 Mar 08
I agree with you. I DO NOT like this man and have heard too many things I don't like about him. I will not vote for him. I think bad things will happen if he becomes President.
• United States
20 Mar 08
Wouldn't most woman get a divorce if they found out there husband has been cheating on them ? Do you really what to listen to Hillary's voice for four years or even worse 8 years ? Times has changed since slick willy was in office, he started the run on this economy. But, those wheels were already in motion to begin with, he just signed the bill. You've had the good ole boys in office for years and years.. So you must be happy with todays economy & world affairs. You know it really don't take a genius to see what's going on. Just get off the computer and step outside once and while.
@bond0077 (375)
20 Mar 08
ok what if bill didn't just sign those bill and spend spend spend like bush is doing would america be better off with a surplus ?we don't even know how obama would run a business,let alone a country?
@alindahaw (1219)
• Philippines
20 Mar 08
Ouch! What's with the comment about women getting a divorce etc. etc.? Sorry but I am a woman and I can't let that comment pass without a comment. I can't imagine people would be so insensitive about a woman's feelings after all these years! A woman has the right to decide what is best for her and if she decides to stick by her husband, then let her be. No, I am not a fan of Clinton but please, don't abuse the idea of her being a woman just to drag her down. The question was whether there is something worthy about Obama not what's wrong with Clinton's marriage or something worst than that. Let's stick to the issue shall we and leave the condescending comments about women out of the issue please. Thank you.
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@bdugas (3578)
• United States
20 Mar 08
Thing is she didn't stick by her hubby because she loved him, she stayed because that was where the power is. I don't like her never have, she is a snake that chose to stay when her husband was doing everyone he could and in the whitehouse, who the hell wants the leader of this country, the one suppose to be making sure we safe, the one we are suppose to trust, and his wife can't even trust him, there is a book called Hillary, what she knew and what she will do to become president. It is very interesting it may not all be true but enough in it take has been brought out in the open to suit me. Believe me i would be first in line to vote for a woman, if that woman was someone other than Hillary.
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@maria_k (925)
• United States
20 Mar 08
Obama is a great orator, a smart and well calculated politian. He disguised himself very well till the point he fouls everybody till lately that we start to see the real Obama. No. he is not worth defending
• United States
20 Mar 08
The one great fear I have, even though i have no plans of voting for obama yet, but if Obama was elected and hailed as this great president of change and DOESNT perform like he said he could, because he doesn't have a real track record except outside of urban affairs, are people going to go crazy?? Are there going to be a big divide all over again among whites and blacks--i mean it happens in media everyday where they work some person up and then when things go wrong they say, OH LOOk, we never supported him in the first place or 'He wrong us!'
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• Italy
21 Mar 08
Hillary Clinton -  Hillary Clinton for president!
I've read this discussion and a lot of others and no one has been able to convince me this Obama guy is the right one. I mean, what he has done? what he has more than other candidates? Apparently nothing. He can do wonderful speeches without telling nothing, but when he goes to a debate then it's clear he has no ideas. At least Hillary is someone who knows what she wants Go Hillary.
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@whiteheron (4222)
• United States
20 Mar 08
First off, I do not worship any person, Obama included in that anyone and I have no intention of sacrificing an imaginary first born (as I have no real one to sacrifice)and am more likely to hypnotize others as I am training in that (amoung other things) than to be hypnotized myself... Yet I do support Obama. I have read his book and have seen him speak. I believe that he offers more than the status quo that McCain offers... the flawed Conservative policy which is code for support corporations at the expense of the people and the States; hide information from the people and then demand that the people expose all of their private information to the government and to big business, etc. and support the defense industry without having the money go to the troops; and say that you are for education while decimating the educational system with a flawed every child left behind policy. In as much as McCain has said that he is Conservative and that he will not be going against the majority of President Bush's policies, I cannot, in good conscience, support the man. I also cannot support Hilary as she is for manditory purchase of health insurance if one is not covered by one's employer. I am a part-time employee in the health care industry and am uninsured and cannot at present afford to purchase coverage and have no assurance that any coverage that is offered to me under her plan will be appropriate or affordable. That leaves Obama as the only choice left. I am not awed by him but I believe him to be more honest than the average politician and more mature in his responses than Clinton or McCain.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
20 Mar 08
WOW you read his book OH MY. I have read books too. Never once elected the author, but great for you. I am glad that you can vote for some one just because what you read in his book. You know there was a man that wrote a book, could give great speaches, and become the leader of his country. Who is this mystery man, Adolf Hitler. Would you vote for Hitler if you read his book. He was a socialist, Obama is a socialist. Not calling Obama Hitler, but let me ask you a question that I think that I asked in my discussion: What accomplishments besides writing a book has Obama accomplished. Please take you time I know you will need it, but I cannot wait until you get back with you answer.
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• United States
20 Mar 08
revellanotvanella Here is a link for Hillary's mandated healthcare plan.... I wouldn't want anyone confused.... http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/17/health.care/index.html
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• United States
20 Mar 08
im confused, people have been saying that hillary is the one demanding mandatory health insurance but right in the debate I heard only Obama speak of requiring a mandatory 'premium' for healthcare and hillary was like, well, then people are going to end up in the ER rooms all over America and their going to have to pay for they can be seen?
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