Fair Tax bill: Have you looked at it?
By rodney850
@rodney850 (2145)
United States
April 5, 2008 11:52am CST
I must preface this with the statement that I have always, from the first time I filled out a 1040 form, been for the abolition of the IRS and income taxes and withholding and anything to do with our present tax system.
The first time I had to do that was in the '60s and what the IRS and the federal tax system has grown into is at best appaling and almost downright obscene!
It is an income eating machine with an insatiable appetite driven by special interests, lobbyists, and big business.
I have always been a proponent of a flat tax or as my second choice a federal sales tax which the Fair Tax bill embraces. If you haven't heard of this or haven't taken the time to read it here is a link to their website:
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_main
It makes for some very interesting reading and very compelling points for its passage! This bill would not only insure everyone pays taxes fairly but insures that there will be more money than ever to support our government. No loopholes and even ilegals would have to pay their way!
Opinions?
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7 responses
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
5 Apr 08
I actually view the income tax to be unconstitutional and against what the original framers intended.
They were all opposed to that form of taxation.
I actually favor a sales tax instead of even the flat tax, and there was a lot of posts about it several months ago.
Any income tax basically turns every taxpayer into a slave of the government... while some may think that statement to be extreme it is true.
Property taxes are the same thing....how can you be truly free if your land can be taken because you didn't pay your taxes. How can you truly own anything if it can be taken away?
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
5 Apr 08
I agree and this Fair Tax plan combines a little of both ideas from the sales tax and the flat tax. I don't know how this one got past me for so long but this is the most viable tax reform I have seen in literally decades!
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@maria_k (925)
• United States
5 Apr 08
I don't favor the flat tax system. Because poor people and middle class people suffer more tha rich people. There will always be a loopole to tax. It's a nice conceipt, nice talk but in reality there are somewhere some ways people will find a loopole to it.
We need the federal tax or the state and the cities will taxes us heavily. With no federal income tax system, governement will have sale tax and that one is a punishment to the poor and the middle income tax. For the working poors who work to make ends meet the saving on income would not enough to justify for the sale tax they have to pay. So, as much as I hate to pay tax, I think do not favor for the abolition od the IRs and icome taxes.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
5 Apr 08
Did you go to the site and read about this plan? It addresses those fears and many more! This plan would totally level the playing field and insure that no one paid more than their fair share!
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@rosettaresearch (1285)
• United States
5 Apr 08
the problem is not the tax system but how the money is spent. You and I are accountable on our jobs. We are evaluated and if we don't reach certain benchmarks we are fired. Federal programs have no such thing. If they don't work, no one ever defunds them.
Take Headstart for example. Sounds like a brilliant idea -- help kids from low income families get a "head start" in school with special courses and teaching them about eating right and studying and getting enough sleep. Wow, what a great program. No one would dare call it a special interest (although it is, since it is for just one part of society rather than everyone) IT HAS NEVER BEEN EVALUATED TO SEE IF EFFECTIVE.
In fact, it most likely is not. The program teaches the kids for a year when they are 4. Then sends the into the same school system with no follow up or extra help. The parents are NEVER trained in the importance of their kids eating right or getting enough sleep or that homework needs to be done instead of watching tv all night. So, basically, for the next 12 years of school, if the parents care about the kid, the kid will succeed. If the parents don't care -- even if the kid remembers what they learned when they were 4 -- the kid will not succeed.
Yet, millions of dollars are thrown at this program every year. So, instead of reforming a system to take more money out of people's pockets (it's my money, you can't have it), we need to insist on accountability for how that money is spent.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
5 Apr 08
I agree that congress and the president ought to be held accountable for how OUR money is spent and any new tax legislation, including the Fair Tax plan, should also come with some earmarks of their own like;1. a required balanced budget--If the money is not there, you don't spend it! What a novel idea! 2. Required re-evaluation of "give-away" programs just like head start and thousands of others that have quite honestly outlived their usefulness and value!
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
5 Apr 08
The Flat tax would be simplier, but the Fair tax would be better. Either one is better than what we have right now. I do have a good thing to say about the present income tax, it made me a Conservative. I remember my first paycheck, I paid in taxes a car payment. My first two check I paid a house payment in taxes. Then to find out that I pay for someone not to work, just sent be up the wall. That is why a support the National Sale Tax. Why I support the Flat tax is because I got my first promotion, a raise, and a new tak increase. Was the government punishing me for success. Like I said either one would be better, but the fair tax, or the national sales taxes is the best. Of course if we did get the sales tax, we would have to do away with the income tax. I could see the Democrats using both, what a nightmare.
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@venshida (4836)
• United States
6 Apr 08
I have not read it ,but I listen to one of the author on the radio daily. It is very interesting.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
5 Apr 08
Hang onto your hat - I'm 100% in favor of the Fair Tax and I'm disappointed that no one in my party has come out in favor of it. No, it's certainly not enough to turn me into a Republican but it is something I intend to try to hammer into the Democrats via letters, phone calls and e-mail messages.
Annie
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
7 Apr 08
Annie,
It's great to know we agree on some things! Legislation like this is soooo long overdue!
@enchantedleppard (1540)
• United States
5 Apr 08
I would seriously take either one compared to the unfairness we have now. This has gotten to the point where it is ridiculous. I would choose fair tax over flat, even though flat would be easier. Fairs fair though. And I'm tired of paying for others. I'm tired of other people getting more more more more from the governement yet they don't pay a dime. It makes me sick.







