I Hate to Rate
By Dr. Ann
@drannhh (15219)
United States
April 11, 2008 6:28pm CST
Aren't the Helium writers on here going to find it ominous that staff there seem to think it is OK to diddle around with the TOS? Terms of Service stated that minimum activity requirement was to EITHER write one article OR rate one article every 6 months. Earnings were like royalties and the TOS said they would pass on to the author's heirs if we died...as long as the heirs wrote OR rated one article every 6 months.
Now they are making noises like they want to take the passive earnings away from us unless we RATE an average of 15 other people's articles a week. Are they crazy? Some people said if they did that they would pull their articles and apparently staff replied something to the effect of "No, you can't do that!" So they want their cake and eat it too?
First Netwinner and now Helium, am I hallucinating or are these shiny stars both starting to lose their sparkle?
What do you know? What do you think? Is there a silver lining somewhere in this cloud?
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11 responses
@paid2write (5201)
•
12 Apr 08
I haven't seen this, but I always understood if you rated other people's articles, your own articles would be rated more.
I had not written or rated anything for weeks at Helium, then I had an email to tell me one of my articles has been sold to a Helium partner for $10. It was something I wrote in one of the debates, not submitted to the marketplace. Of course I am delighted to have sold it but now I am having to write more articles to try and earn enough for minimum payout.
I do rate a few each time I submit, but soon get bored with it, as I often get subjects I don't find of interest. I don't promote my Helium articles so I have to rate to get mine noticed.
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@wondericequeen (7876)
• Hong Kong
12 Apr 08
Yea I received an email about that too yesterday! And I was like MAD. I don't really like rating that much and besides, now with the new policy, it seems like too much work for people! I am not really happy with the policy and what if I forget to rate or life gets so busy that I don't have time to rate for a few months, that means my hard work in writing is not recognized?
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
12 Apr 08
I know I rated at least 200 articles and I never got even one rating star so I don't know what they are up to, and that whole bit about "quality" ratings is so subjective without any framework, but they are not like rocket scientists over there if you know what I mean. Maybe if enough people get mad about it they will back down.
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@wondericequeen (7876)
• Hong Kong
13 Apr 08
Well, I think we could pop into their forum and "discuss" with the rest of the people there. But I briefly took a look of those opinions in their forum and they seem to agree with the policy! 

@aseretdd (13729)
• Philippines
14 Apr 08
Helium is not available in my country... so even if i want to join that site i can't... and with this current policy... i think that site is in a lot of trouble financially... so i wouldn't dream of spending time there...
I just hope that won't happen here in mylot... or else... i wouldn't have a place to spend my idle time...
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
15 Apr 08
I hope it doesn't strike myLot either, although I do have to wean myself off from time to time as I need some of my idle time for other equally idle pursuits.
Well, hubby and I are off for a road trip soon, and I will try to come back to myLot again in May, when the spring flowers are blooming and I will look you up on here then. Take care!
@lexus54 (3572)
• Singapore
12 Apr 08
I too received the email about this change, but it didn't surprise me although I am not happy about it. I've learned over these past few years from signing up to quite a number of internet-related sites that allow people to earn money, that administrators hold all the advantages rather than members. When things are not going well for sites, the administrators can conveniently choose to go out of business by making a disappearing act, or just change their terms at will to suit them, leaving members in a no-win position. Personally I feel in this case that Helium is probably not getting enough people to rate articles, and so they force it upon members to have to do more of this through a unilateral change in TOS. Instead of dangling the carrot to reward people more with doing more rating, they are choosing instead to penalize those who don't rate enough over a period. Well, only time will tell if this move is going to be popular with members, or members will pass up their extra earnings in protest by not abiding by the TOS change.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
12 Apr 08
Well, in truth the have not made a TOS change at all, as I looked the terms over carefully just today and there is no difference. Just a notice that they think they would like to make these changes and wanted to know what members thought. As you can imagine, I told them what I thought. Yes, many programs do bite the dust! But I don't think that Helium is one of those that planned to do that from the beginning. They do seem to be running amuck, though.
@starrywonder (625)
• United States
12 Apr 08
They should be the ones to do the rating. our job is to write.
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@aidenofthetower (1814)
• United States
15 Apr 08
I hate rating. I have worked hard to get my three rating stars, but I really don't like doing it. However, they are right about writers not being able to pull their articles. That has been part of the terms of service since at least August. I am sure that they don't mind not having to pay people for their articles.
For me, the silver lining is that according to their e-mail about the new rating star to get paid concept is that those with rating stars should make a little bit from those who are no longer working with the site. They are still going to pay out the same money, just divided up among those that are rating.
My guess is that they don't think they are getting enough rating done (though with the reward-athon I am sure that I wasn't the only one who normally didn't rate who did hundreds of ratings to make sure I got paid). This way, they will force people to rate in order to get paid...
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
2 May 08
I'm really impressed that you got the 3 stars. Regarding pulling the articles, it is not legal for them to hold writers to one part of the terms of service while they themselves blatantly ignore the written promises they made in the same terms of service to perform their own obligations.
If they want people to rate, they need to revamp the whole rating process and make it less onerous, less boring, and more logical. In my view it is just busywork with no substance. Comparing two equally bad (or equally good) articles is not rating! I also don't like getting the same articles to rate over and over and we should be able to skip any article on a subject which is not in our expertise and/or does not fit our interests.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
2 May 08
I have recently started with Helium and the rating thing is really annoying. I feel, we should not rate it at all, its their job to do it. Anyway, the new TOS as you have stated is more annoying. I am in Triond as well. I think, I should get more active there.
Thanks.

@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
2 May 08
lol.......very well said ann.
You are a nice, diligent person - rare and loved.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
2 May 08
Oh, Mimpi, I haven't been over to see if they updated, but did take a copy of the old one before we left on vacation recently, so it will not be like the sign on the wall in George Orwell's Animal Farm, where the animals were all scratching their heads and saying, weren't the rules written on the wall DIFFERENT the last time we looked at them. Lol. I read them very carefully. Triond Rocks!

@diansinta (7544)
• Indonesia
1 Jul 08
Hi drannhh,
I am a helium member but i'm not active there. I don't want to do rate in there wasting time as disturb my concentration same as you.
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
1 May 08
I have lost interest in Helium long time back already. I was active for 6 months and when my earnings looked pretty stagnant, I just left it at that. Now after 2 years, I saw my earnings becoming $16++ but then it just remained there now; stagnant again, even though occasionally I went in to rate.
Now when you told me this, I just thought that there's no way that I'm ever going to reach that $25 minimum payout. It really is a waste of time for Helium keeps on disappointing me. Unlike mylot and another site which I'm active on reviewing things. I'm paid for reviewing things and in a month, it's possible to be earning $100 and more if I put in the desired effort.
If you are interested PM me, my friend and I'll be more than willing to share it with you. The site has been around since 2006 and that's about the time I first joined. However, there is no registration needed. You just need a work email. Take care, my friend and happy mylotting.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
1 May 08
I think I know which site you mean and I like them much better too. I also like Triond a lot. Honestly I'm earning more on Squidoo than on Helium and that is without trying. Also, although the ratings on my Helium articles have not changed much in my view, I'm not sure it was a coincidence that my writing star got yanked immediately after I wrote in disagreement with a staff member over specifics in their TOS. There really is no comparison between myLot and Helium as they are different kinds of programs, but if I had to give up one of the two it sure wouldn't be myLot.
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
8 May 08
I wouldn't give up mylot anytime too. Here is too much fun and I care too much about this site to be caring about some other sites. But I agree with you that Squidoo and Triond are good enough sites not to be given up. By the way, what is the earning potential in Squidoo? Is it much..? If you are scared to violate any TOS, PM me yeah.
Good day, my lady. :)-
@vera5d (4004)
• United States
1 May 08
I stopped writing for Helium awhile ago - it just hasn't been very rewarding for me...I've written 10-15 articles on there and maybe earned 50 cents or so - I've done much better on associated content.
@LouRhi (1502)
• Australia
12 Apr 08
Sorry to hear that the new changes are not favoured by many of you.
I am not personally bothered by the change as I have a few rating stars. I must admit that I have never really found it difficult to be considered a quality rater. In fact at times I am ashamed at the manner in which I rate as I am often a very harsh judge. It takes a lot to get anything more than a slightly better from me!
Having said that though I must also point out that the quality of articles I am given is generally quite poor so there is a lot of skimming in my part! If you can get me hooked in the first few sentences half the work is done!
I have not really had much luck with Triond and AC won't pay out of USA so I have little choice but to be with Helium. As I just got my first payout ($88) I am rather chuffed and stars are sparkling in a big way in my eyes!


@drannhh (15219)
• United States
15 Apr 08
I think if the Helium founders put their heads together and tried, they could come up with a satisfactory way to get out of the ditch they seem to be in. It is somewhat a question of whether they would prefer to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
13 Apr 08
I do think that changing the Terms of Service midstream is highly unethical and that whether rating is something some people don't mind doing is somewhat irrelevant. What bothers me about Helium encouraging people to be "harsh" judges as you describe yourself is that there is no evaluation of the credentials of those doing the rating. I've read some of the rhetoric put forth by Helium staff and I don't consider those folks stellar writers, nor do I think they are in much of a position to rate me. I like the fact that Triond simple rejects articles that don't fit their needs. If it is not up to snuff they don't publish it. So far they have published everything I have submitted and I earn more from Triond than from Helium without being pestered to put other people down. I do appreciate your input, however.
@LouRhi (1502)
• Australia
13 Apr 08
I see where you are coming from, but the Helium founders probably had no idea how quickly or how big they would grow when they first wrote up their T&C's.
Rating is not all bad though as it can help with new ideas for articles and provides a new perspective. I don't really read many article on the site as such so rating provides me the opportunity to have a flick through some articles.
I do agree that the 'stellar writers' on Helium are few and far between and some of the 'experts' as such leave a bit to be desired but I am sure that you will find that anywhere.
I think that the main difference between Helium and other sites is that they are really trying to develop a sense that they can be relied on for a high quality and appear more professional.
While you may think that we are not qualified enough to be raters, I tend to disagree. We are all readers and have the ability to say what we like to read, ultimately that's all rating is. I agree that the system has flaws, but again what system doesn't? I would love to see a 'this is rubbish button', for me rating would then become much more enjoyable!













