Girl thrown on fire for being "low class"

@ersmommy1 (12587)
United States
April 30, 2008 8:45am CST
Girl pushed into pile of burning embers by man in his late teens Man charged with attempted murder Assault took place in India's Uttar Pradesh state,A man, incensed that a six-year-old girl chose to walk through a path reserved for upper caste villagers, pushed her into burning embers, police in north India said Wednesday. She was seriously burned. I realize that things are done differently in different parts of the world, but this just seems barbaric. http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/04/30/india.caste/index.html
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• United States
14 May 08
"Untouchables" from the Indian Caste system. Ah, I had heard about the caste system when I was in school, but for some reason I had expected it would have been done away with by now. I don't know why this should surprise me .. especially considering the racial tensions in America. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ([i]"My religious conversion is not inspired by any material motive. This is hardly anything I cannot achieve even while remaining an Untouchable. There is no other feeling than that of a spiritual feeling underlying my religious conversion. Hinduism does not appeal to my conscience. My self-respect cannot assimilate Hinduism. In your case change of religion is imperative for worldly as well as spiritual ends. Do not care for the opinion of those who foolishly ridicule the idea of conversion for material ends. Why should you live under the fold of that religion which has deprived you of honor, money, food and shelter?" B. R. Ambedkar quotes (Indian Politician and founder Of the Indian Constitution.)[/i]) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How interesting, and by interesting I mean terrible, must the life of these untouchable people be? I suppose there would be some African Americans who might speak to me and try to tell me that their lot in life is little better in American than these Indian untouchables, but I doubt that. Even if a shadow of an untouchable fell across a man of higher caste it would be seen as polluting him. I think this exceeds anything we are likely to experience in America. The "untouchables" are of the Dalit caste.(1) And, in this role, they are limited to the lowest occupations available in society. The case given in the article referenced, however, seem to only begin in prejudices of the caste system. It doesn't seem likely that throwing the girl into the fire was intended. It sounds as if the man pushed the girl because she was walking on a road she wasn't supposed to be on. It does not sound like he intended for her to fall off the road into the fire. I could be wrong about that, of course, as the article isn't very precise about his intent, merely stating the effects of his actions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Various included footnotes: 1) Wikipedia:Dalit - In the Indian caste system, a Dalit, sometimes called an untouchable, or an outcast, is a person who according to traditional Hindu belief does not have any "varnas". ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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• United States
14 May 08
^ Ravenladyj, I, too, hope the girl recovers from being burnt, but my impression from the story is that she was burnt quite badly indeed. I do not see any reason why 'different rules' in different parts of the world could possibly be respected enough to tolerate this sort of behavior. Skyblue, As you are from India, I should think you'd have a more first person perspective on the caste system and the treatment of the "Untouchables" in general. I am led to believe that the situation in the cities is less severe than that in rural India. Positiveminded1977, Ah, very nice to hear someone else from India speaking up and explaining that the situation is rare. Highflyingxangel, But, I didn't see anywhere in the article what his reaction to his crime or punishment might be. To assume he was remorseless in the absence of any indications of remorselessness seems a bit premature. You could be spot-on .. or he might have had an intention to push the girl for being on the wrong road yet not have intended to push her into the fire. Consider a situation in a United States high school where you have a "Senior's Table" and a Freshman sits down there by accident. They might get shoved or threatened, but if they fall over backwards and split their head open, it would be unfair to assume the Senior classman intended that to happen. He's still responsible and charged according to what happened.. but his intentions do matter, I think. K1tten, There very well might have been a reason for the caste system at one point and time. I don't think it was ever fair, but their might be a reason. Consider, those who handle animal carcasses and clean out public latrines might carry infections or parasites to which they have developed a resistance but which might be fatal for the higher-born. And, before we get too high and mighty about the caste system of India, we should remember that America has a caste system, it is just one that is not so obviously recognized. The sons and daughters of the wealthy are able to afford a better education, get better healthcare, possess superior "networking" resources of friends and family, and otherwise have more advantages than the poor. Those born into the upper-caste are more likely to be well-to-do. The sons and daughters of the poor are more likely to remain poor as well. The difference is that, in theory, even the poor in America who work hard should be able to attain wealth. The problem, in reality, is that the High-Born and Low-Born do not, actually, have equal opportunities given equal aptitudes and effort. It is a caste system of a sort, just not mentioned as one. Consider, again, a High School, where children divide into cliques of haves and have-nots based upon the attire which one can afford or the place in town where one lives. Now, I would wholeheartedly agree with a statement like, "I do not agree with any sort of caste sytem." I would concur. America holds great value in the idea of free enterprise, and any sort of a caste system maintains a superior position for those in power at the expense of opportunities for the lower-rungs of society to improve themselves. It is non-competitive and very much like a monopoly from a certain point of view.
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• United States
30 Apr 08
The caste system really infuriates me. It's like segregation here in the U.S way back when. Doesn't make any sense to me at all. I bet when he confessed to the crime he didn't show any remorse. And let me just say he's a real big man for pushing a six year old girl and not going after her mother. I guess the six year old wouldn't have fought him back.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
30 Apr 08
OMFG!! I agree..that IS BARBARIC!! [i]The girl was walking with her mother down a path in the city of Mathura when she was accosted by a man in his late teens, said police superintendent R.K. Chaturvedi. "He scolded them both and pushed her," Chaturvedi said. The girl fell about three to four feet into pile of burning embers by the side of the road. The girl remained in critical condition Wednesday. The man confessed to the crime and was charged with attempted murder, Chaturvedi said. [/i] what the hell?! As much as I too realize that different parts of the world have different beliefs, rules, etc etc this is just atrocious!! I hope this poor child recovers from this and I hope that he is nailed to the wall
@k1tten (2315)
• United States
1 May 08
There is no reason for a caste system in my opinion. This is just insane! Like they were doing anything to anyone. Just because they were walking where some idiot didn't want them doesn't mean he had the right to.
@skyblue (1299)
• India
30 Apr 08
I really confused, i could it possible.. I am from india..I am very sorry because it was happen in india...
@lilybug (21107)
• United States
30 Apr 08
OMG! That is just horrible. I am glad that he got charged with attempted murder. That poor girl!