Chines Red fascist police raid factory for making Tibetan flags

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The so-called reforms in China are exaggerated, IMIO. The Communist Party still has a tight grip on the reigns of power, and the limited pro-market reforms that have been taking place are intended purely to keep the economy going, as pure socialism obviously doesn't work. Of course the longer-term threat to the status quo there is the potential rise of a new middle class, together with the difficulty of controlling information when they're having to let people use the internet more and more. I give it maybe 10 or 20 years before political revolution hits in one form or another.

Incidentally, I wouldn't make too much of the Dalai Lama's former association with Heinrich Harrer. Apart from the fact that guilt by association doesn't seem consistent with your normal libertarian outlook, Harrer seems to have packed in the nazism in later life. People do change - an acquaintance of mine took part in the poll tax riots in his foolish youth, and is now a libertarian Liberal Democrat.

The massive couverage given to four demonstrators at the torch ceremony was way ott. Yet NO coverage has been given to massive pro smokers rights marches in France for example. I agree that the west's criticism of China is out of order. China is becoming more liberal it can't happen overnight and the best way ot support its move to gradual change is to support Bejing's olympics. Not to do so would be to hurt normal chinese people. As for you assertion Stuart that Communism can be compared with fascism: well yes in its state control and lack of respect for individual righs yes I agree. As I said it was a point of order; and also worth again raising the fact tha Buddhism CAN (though this isn't an inherent criticism of buddhism)be used to support elitist doctrines: and that it a particular worry when the present Dalai Lama was educated by a Nazi SS man (Heinrich Harrer) http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Harrer It is often convenient for the West to ignore unsavoury truths about Nationalist indpendence movements because it suits them . They have done exactly the same in recognising Kosovan indpndnce: forgetting the origins of the KLA were in the Skanderbeg SS , and more latterly having had close ties to Al Quaeda.

So the entire news media of the world, both official and unofficial, plus all the human rights groups are completely wrong about the poor, pathetic, persecuted government of China? I doubt it.

yeah,i'll be for you! Support China and Beijing Olympic Games!

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Absolutely right, I could probably buy Red Chinese or Nazi flags with no problem. Governments that suppress free expression are obviously afraid of their own people. This story actually slightly reminds me of a story I read a year or two back, about a shopkeeper in Beiruit who specialises in selling flags for protestors to burn (flag burning being a popular pastime in those parts). He said American and Israeli flags were his biggest sellers, but he didn't personally take any political stance, he was just selling a product. I imagine Syrian flags would have been selling quite well lately ;-)

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Yes, it's one job I'd have turned down. No money's worth facing what passes for justice in Red China.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5003/buddhisttempleat0.jpg Some places of course will nver ban the swasika. It is a buddhist symbol. http://www.bookch.com/pictures/7394.jpg

The nazi flag is banned in some countries...eg. germany, france, italy

They wouldn't - why would they? There's no law against making flags. If there was, Nazi swastikas and communist flags would have been banned years ago, but you can still buy them, can't you?

If the owner of the factory is only a blind businessman who has little to do with politic,he will surely be OK.The Chinese government won't punish him too hard.But if he is a member of the Dalai Group,things will be diferent...

I don't think he should be punished...maybe given a good warning. I doubt he actually knew what they were making...

Legitimate governments don't punish people for disagreeing with them, and they don't suppress political debate. If the Chinese government want the Tibetans to stay in their empire, they should use persuasion instead of force.

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I disagree. Fascism being a variant of socialism where a certain amount of private ownership of business is allowed, but the State still has overall control, it seems quite a good description of the way the present Chinese setup has evolved.

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Par of my point is that trade, whether supply or demand, can overcome obstacles of ideology and dogma. China will realise that actually they could have made this factory owner a hero and at the same time ridiculed Tibetan independence ideas. I hav little sympathy for th noton of tibtan indpndence , think it i dangerous and in the nd the Wts support of it will backfire. Far better is to encourage trade and that in the end will overcome politics; AND the dogma of ideologies whether they be that of the Dalai Lama or that of China....or for that matter that of the West

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The US government wouldn't have done anything to someone making Al Queda flags - there's no law against that. They probably would have discreetly investigated to see if those flags were going to anyone who was doing something illegal, but the factory owner himself would have been OK. Legitimate governments aren't afraid of criticism.