Another wooitsmolly discussion about animals!
By wooitsmolly
@wooitsmolly (3613)
United States
May 12, 2008 8:01pm CST
It feels like it's been a slow day here on myLot (at least to me anyway) so here is another excerpt from "A Biblical Perspective on Veganism"... no, this topic isn't all I post about! Okay, maybe it is... (Again, I did not write this myself...)
“Animals have no souls”
Many people argue that animals have no soul, however, the Scriptural understanding of soul differs from the common Platonic understanding most people have today. The majority of people today see a dualistic dichotomy between a fleshly, tangible body and an ethereal soul that can never be seen or touched. Scripture understands soul as the composite of the heart, life and body of every moving thing. All of these put together form the soul of the living thing. The word khah’ee used in Genesis 2:7 when God breathed into the first person’s nostrils the breath of life is the same word used in Genesis 1:30 when describing the animals of various types. The distinction is made that humankind is made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27); however the word nephesh is used throughout Scripture to refer to either human persons or animals. There is no distinction that animals either do not have or are not living souls.
What are your thoughts on animals having or not having souls?
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
14 May 08
All living things are composed of two Bodies. The physical body while on Earth and the Spiritual Body while between incarnations. Its quite plausible that plants and animals are created in the likeness and image of God, because Everything in and on this planet is a Part of God. How then, could we be created otherwise? Anyone who has looked into a Dog's eyes will know that he/she has a soul.
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
16 May 08
I would like to know how everything was created... but it gives me the creeps when I think about it. (No, I do not think it was God, but we all know that already...) I don't believe in souls...
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
16 May 08
Whoopsies!
Bad news for lots of kiddies - there was no Big Bang.
Seriously - it's a fact. Because the Red Shift Theory which spawned the ever-so-popular (yet equally fanciful and wishful) Big Bang Theory has itself been conclusively proven false.
BUT you won't hear about this from the mainstream scientific circles - way too much money and vested interests involved.
Einstein himself observed that all the experiments in the world can never suffice to prove a singe theory, yet it takes only a single experiment to disprove any of them.
Hope that helps everyone to sleep better.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
16 May 08
Websters New World Dictionary defines "created" as,-to cause to come into existence, or -to bring about! Evolution is defined as,- to develop gradually, or to develop by evolution! I'm an Evolutionist, but I often use the Phrase," Created in the likeness and Image of God," which is true because God is All-Encompassing! The Big Bang was so big it lasted for Billions of Years, which gave Evolution lots of time to Create All Living Things (plants included) in the Image and Likeness of God!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 May 08
A great discussion topic!
I can't even begin to tell you how ticked off I get when I hear people who have been raised a certain belief that animals don't have souls. In fact, many months ago, there was a rather heated discussion by a started by a person who due to her Christian beliefs, that animals didn't have souls...it wasn't only me chiming in, but so many of my other friends here who got really disgusted by this kind of thinking.
I have to admit I am not a vegetarian, though I have drastically cut down on my meat eating. I AM very much an animal activist despite the fact I'm not vegan. I am opposed to farm factories, and animal testing. When I do get meat I least go out of my way to get organic, family farmed raised meats.
This person also seemed to think it was all right and acceptable to test on animals, and of course, I pointed out that for over twenty years, there have been known alternatives to testing products or medicines without use of animals. I pointed out to her, what is the justification of burning a puppy alive just to see the effects of burns..uh, like, duh? Don't we know this already?
I think so much of the misconception is the concept idea that God gave man dominion over animals...could this explain why there is such cruelty towards animals...that mankind thinks he has the right to do whatever he pleases towards animals?
To my mind every living thing that lives on this earth has a spirit or soul, and yes even in the plant world...if that weren't true, why do plants react and grow better with music as has been studied.
So whenever I see any person mention their firm belief that animals do not have souls, I just want to take the computer and throw it out the window...that's how riled up I get. Not only do animals have souls but feelings as well..to my mind anyone who doesn't recognize this doesn't have a soul themselves.
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
20 May 08
LOL I don't believe that animals have souls, just like I don't believe humans do, so I guess I don't have a soul... but of course I already thought that! But I think I just have a different, but similar, way of looking at it. I don't think animals have souls, but I do believe that they deserve to be treated kindly, just as I believe humans do. I think even though I don't believe in the "soul" I still believe what some people consider a "soul" to exist, if that makes sense...
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 May 08
PS--I just saw your responses to other repliers and you indicate you don't have a belief in souls...uh, can I ask why?? Just curious
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 May 08
Well don't you believe that there is some "essence" within you that makes you..you? I guess it's my multitude of studies in religions ...While raised in the Christian religion, I've studied Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto...the mystery schools such as Rosicrucians....now I'm as I call myself a Born Again Pagan....LOL
So since you don't believe in a "soul" essence" then I guess it reasons you don't believe in reincarnation--uh..yup I believe in that too
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
16 May 08
Hi wooitsmolly,
From an objective perspective, animals really aren't all that different to the human kind.
IMO, of course animals have souls. In fact, it's mankind's fault that has dragged them into this sorry existence here in the material realm with us.
And then we made things even worse, for them and us, by attracting the retribution of the Great Flood with our misdeeds and evil behavior.
On may choose to "believe" or not in the existence of something called a soul, but the belief has little bearing on the fact.
If it looks lke a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are it is. Ditto for anyone who's had an out-of-body experience (or worse). We each have to satisfy ourselves abut what's what if we're looking for proof.
Not that the duck would care, mind you - but that's part of what makes being a duck so much fun.

@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
16 May 08
What is a soul and where did it come from and why do we have them?
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
16 May 08
You silly!
Do we have to state it - you ARE soul!
There's three of you there, just in case you haven't looked lately.
Each of us is composed of three intimately integrated persons - body, soul and mind.
Don't have a cow over the terminology - some people will refer to what I call the "soul" as "spirit", and call the combination of all three the "soul". But I prefer body, soul and mind, because that's what works for me.
Anyway, you know what your body is, and also your mind. What's not so evident from our normal perspective is the soul, because it's the silent, hidden "spark" of self which sits at the core of our being.
We're so busy giving our attention to the things around us that we're not so aware of our self - it's observing everything else, so is normally insensitive to it's own existence.
But it is what it is.
To be strictly technical, our minds are actually an ongoing communion between our inner self and our bodies. And the three are each individual entities, each quite different in nature, but also quite inseparable and dependent on each other here in the material realm.
Don't ask me what our bodies are, because I can't figure that one out. It has something to do with our essence' relation to this physical world in which we exist - but how that works, is beyond me.
So cop that lot.
It's not hard to grasp - and IMO it's self-evident for anyone who seriously ponders the matter.
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
13 May 08
Yes, I agree. I do not believe in souls, but if I did there is no reason other animals wouldn't have them. Humans are just a different kind of animal, I don't think we are any more "special."
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@rev1wendy (611)
• United States
17 May 08
I believe that animals have souls. They have personalities, too. Jesus said there will be animals in Heaven.
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
20 May 08
Rev, just wanted to point out that mosquitoes are bugs and bugs do have brains. They are animals!! As far as them feeling pain, I was always under the impression they do not, but there are some people out there who think they do, so I guess that's up for debate. I guess you still would not consider them to have a soul because they do not experience "emotions" as we know it, but I don't know if they exhibit any individual personalities then.
@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
20 May 08
I wonder if insects have the ability to express emotion or not. I think there needs to be more studies on that. I know some people think they do.
No, I do not think you are trying to impose any beliefs on me. Obviously I ask a lot of questions about things that I don't even believe in myself because I am interested in understanding why and how other people are thinking about the subject
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The concept of "soul" has always interested me for some reason.
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The concept of "soul" has always interested me for some reason. @98765m (1017)
• India
17 May 08
Well,I do certainly think that animals have souls.
Its my belief and understanding that what all that can feel pain have souls.
If the animals do not have souls,then how does it move,I mean how does it live?Does that mean there is something else in animals similar to a soul.
If an animal can live with out a soul,whats the difference between a rock,a plant and an animal?
So,I do certainly believe that all living things from unicellular to multicellular have souls.
Cheers! Have a nice day
Happy mylotting and happy earnings.
If the animals do not have souls,then how does it move,I mean how does it live?Does that mean there is something else in animals similar to a soul.
If an animal can live with out a soul,whats the difference between a rock,a plant and an animal?
So,I do certainly believe that all living things from unicellular to multicellular have souls.
Cheers! Have a nice day
Happy mylotting and happy earnings.1 person likes this
@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
17 May 08
The difference between a rock and a plant is that plants are alive. The difference between plants and animals is that animals have brains and a central nervous system. I personally do not believe anything has a soul, but I am curious what your definition of soul is? If it is a soul that makes something alive, how does a plant not have a soul? Or is it that something feels pain?
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
20 May 08
Obviously I know that you know the difference between a rock, a plant, and an animal
. I was only stating that to kind of clarify that we were on the same page.
As far as insects feeling pain, I think that is still up for debate. Some people believe they do and others believe they do not, at least not in the way humans do. I would tend to believe that they DO, but I don't really know anything about insects to say that with any kind of facts behind it. It's more of a "just in case" for me, but I digress.
In regard to how we die, well the best way I can describe what I think is with this Wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence
. I was only stating that to kind of clarify that we were on the same page.
As far as insects feeling pain, I think that is still up for debate. Some people believe they do and others believe they do not, at least not in the way humans do. I would tend to believe that they DO, but I don't really know anything about insects to say that with any kind of facts behind it. It's more of a "just in case" for me, but I digress.
In regard to how we die, well the best way I can describe what I think is with this Wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence1 person likes this
@rev1wendy (611)
• United States
18 May 08
I believe that our soul is reflected by our personalities, so to speak. Plants are living, but do not possess a soul. Animals have personalities and emotions, hence a soul. Insects do not have personalities or emotions, therefore no soul. Our soul is the essence that makes us who we are. A fly is a fly is a fly. Dogs, cats, even mice have a form of personality and show excitement, fear and happiness. Just my thoughts.
Wendy
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@susieq223 (3742)
• United States
16 May 08
I honestly don't know, but I hope so. I'd like to think that my pets will share an afterlife with me. It's hard to think of a heaven or paradise without animals. (This answer assumes that souls are required for eternal life, which may not be so.) I also have difficulty believing God would not endow all of his living creatures without some kind of essense, soul or spirit. On the other hand I have trouble imagining a soul in a mosquito!
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@nick1in (195)
• Lucknow, India
17 May 08
Each creature wheather it's a human or a non-human is a God's creation. God has imbibed not only life but also a soul into them. I firmly do believe that they do have a soul. They do have feelings, emotions...alot like ours....ok...they have different thinking processes than us....but they still they are intelligent thinking creatures. Just look deeply into their eyes....don't you see something in there? People should give a thought to our non-human brothers and sisters. We should be there to give them a helping hand. Stand up and make a differnce my friends and make this world a better place.
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