Appeasers?

@clrumfelt (5597)
Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
May 16, 2008 12:23pm CST
Weigh in on this. Do you thing democrats are and have in the past been appeasers of terrorists around the world?
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16 May 08
I wouldn't say Democrats have a monopoly on this. A lot of ill-feeling towards America in the 80s was needlessly generated by the Reagan administration's perceived tendency to turn a blind eye to PIRA fund raising in the USA.
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@clrumfelt (5597)
• Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
17 May 08
It's true a lot of politicians on both sides have their hands dirtied with almost everything. In election years more finger-pointing goes on than at any other time. It takes some research to find out which finger is the dirtiest.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
17 May 08
Yes, I do think that. Ladyluna said it very well and there is not much I can add to that. When you see the democrats and Obama calling for talks with terrorist nations and leaders with no preconditions and no calls to end their terrorists ways, then there is really no other way to look at the modern democrats than appeasers. Those terrorist nations do not want to get along with us... they want to DESTROY us! The democrats are rightly considered to be weak and naive when it comes to foreign policy, and their socialist agenda is plainly apparent with all of the social programs they want along with the massive tax increases necessary to finance these programs. The democrats are completely clueless when it comes to dealing with terrorists.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
18 May 08
Thank you, Destiny!
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• United States
18 May 08
I have a link somewhere that shows Clinton knew about a plot to hijack airplanes in the US and use them as missiles 6 years before 9-11. Yet the democrats diss Bush every chance they get for something that they allowed to happen and left for the next president to clean up.
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@clrumfelt (5597)
• Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
18 May 08
Destiny, you are so right about that. The democrats had their chance to get rid of the terrorist threats during the 8 years Clinton was in office. He missed some prime opportunities to nab Osama Bin Laden and put an end to his murderous plans, but instead he left the problem for his successor to deal with, and look what that did for us. Instead you hear them yammering such things as how did this(9/11) happen on Pres. Bush's "watch." I can tell you how it happened on his watch. It was because somebody (the previous administration) failed to do their jobs.
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• United States
16 May 08
I don't think democrats have intentionally been appeasing terrorists, but the practical matter of the situation is that they have. For example, President Clinton did not have the instigator of the USS Cole & African embassy bombings pursued with the necessary vigor. This was an unintentional appeasement. During what pursuit there was of this individual at least one opportunity to kill him was passed on and another to arrest him. This too, was probably not meant as appeasement, but it was. The result? Osama Bin Laden remained free to intigation also, 9-11.
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@clrumfelt (5597)
• Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
17 May 08
Speaking of Bill Clinton, I kinda got tired of seeing Yassir Arafat chuming around with him whenhe was in office, but I suppose there have been issues of appeasement over the years on both sides.Truth be told, it may have been the only way to keep our country safe at times in the past, so really I guess it is a non-issue when it comes to finger-pointing.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
17 May 08
Hello Clrumfelt, In order to answer this question, I believe it necessary to clarify that today's Democrat Party is heavily populated by Marxists and Humanists. Whereas yesteryear's Democratic Party was heavily populated by Conservative-Americans. So, as I see it, the answer to your question is that Democrats are not necessarily appeasers, though Marxists and Humanists most definitely are. The Marxist activists of the 1940s - 1970s have slowly infused themselves into the Democrat Party, to the point where they have now almost fully taken it over, in much the same way that they have infused themselves into academia. The ideology of Marxism and Humanism is that 'warm and fuzzy' understanding is all that is required to bring savages into the fold. Granted, the ideology is woefully simplistic. As well, it is riddled with child-like trust, and is also infused with tremendous arrogance. Specifically, only 'they' are smart enough, compassionate enough, 'right' enough to convince the terror-minded savages that strapping bombs on to their children and the mentally handicapped is 'very bad'. Moreover, the people who have already told the terrorists how 'very bad' it is -- didn't tell them in a smart enough, compassionate enough, or 'right' enough way. Only 'they' can convince the blood-thirsty of the error of their ways, by demonstrating that 'they' are no threat to the savages. Their underlying belief is that terrorists are only 'acting out' because they feel threatened, misunderstood, and that no one 'cares' about them. Those poor terrorists simply haven't had enough group hugs with 'the enlightened'. Though, Marxists still need bodies to cast the necessary votes to keep themselves in power. So, they court large numbers of folks who have been deliberately 'kept down' by an inadequate educational system (which they rule over with the heavy fist). Those undereducated folks tend to be on the economically disadvantaged side, because they have not gotten a solid education, so they are unable to financially support the Marxists. In order to obtain the support they need to perpetuate their power base they must seek funding from those who have disposable income, i.e. college educated Marxists who support the need to control both the growth and the education level of the masses. In exchange for that financial support, they promise jobs with tenure and union protections to safeguard their benefactors. They access their future Marxist leaders from the ranks of those benefactors, who are fully indoctrinated into the Marxist fold, and who also have few or no children of their own giving them more disposable income (remembering that Marxists support population control measures, and consider the masses their surrogate children), then they effort themselves to keep the rest of the masses poorly educated, and convinced that only 'they' will take care of the masses from cradle to grave. To be certain that the breeders don't rise up against them, they manage the breeding habits of the poor and undereducated. They do so by generously making available their devised population control measures of birth control and abortion. This way, the Marxists can protect their positions of power. Then they deify their early visionaries like Margaret Sanger. It's a terribly manipulative, well-established cycle; fueled and perpetuated by Marxist elitists. To lay the blame at the feet of anyone who still holds an allegiance to the Democrat Party would be distinctly unfair. My parents and grandparents were proud, conservative Democrats. Not one of them would ever consider appeasing terrorists. They would no more recognize today's Democratic Party than those of us still alive today, who have abandoned the now Marxist-Dem Party. To be sure, my father, who was one of the lucky ones to come home from WWII, would never have supported the appeasement tactics of today's Marxist-Dem Party. Any more than he would support the 'cut & run' policies that the Marxist-Dem party has been touting since we entered Iraq. He lived through the horrors of war, yet still understood that there are genuinely evil people on this planet, who want nothing more than to subjegate and/or destroy those who would refuse to elevate them to a position of dominance. He, like many of his generation, recognized that fighting thugs and bullies is an ugly necessity in the preservation of freedom. What's more, he wouldn't take kindly to be considered an appeaser. Though, if he were still alive today, it's inconceivable that he would still have any allegiance to the Marxist-Dem Party. I'm quite sure that he would have told the party where to go, as soon as the party membership supported the first ever attempt to take any reference to God out of our Pledge of Allegiance!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
18 May 08
Hello Rodney, Excellent point!!! The C.C.C.P. began funneling monies into the USA during the early to middle part of the last century. First, in defense of those caught in the cross-hairs of McCarthy, then much more aggressively during the anti-war protests of the 1960 -1970s. Though that trend has not subsided. In fact, the now established U.S. Communist parties (there are three which are well established) continue to fund the anti-war protests today. Though, most of their influx of financial support is by way of pro-illegal immigration support. Marxists have long believed that if they were patient enough, that they would eventually convert formerly ambitious Americans to sloth, and a desire to be taken care of from cradle to grave. To say nothing of their mantra of financial equality. Yeah, who wouldn't like to have Bill Gate's money? Though, who is really willing to take the enormous financial risks, and work that feverishly to get where he is today? So, as much as it pains me to say, you're absolutely correct -- Nikita would be very proud! Of course, McCarthur, a genuine hero, is probably rolling over in his grave. Grrrr!!!
@clrumfelt (5597)
• Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
17 May 08
Thanks for your comments, ladyluna. I consider myself better educated for having read them.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
17 May 08
LadyLuna, I believe it was Nikita Khrushchev who once said of the aspirations of the communist world to overthrow democracy and America that the Soviet Union would not have to fire one shot because the defeat would come from within. I was a youth when this was said and in my naivety said that could never happen! Fast forward 40+ years and what I see on the democratic side of the fence I believe Mr. Khrushchev would have been proud of!