A Question Of Ethics.. Input Wanted
By tessah
@tessah (6617)
United States
May 16, 2008 12:36pm CST
anothers discussion in regards to inner voices of reason.. and my own mental obsession of the moment.. has spurred me to bring this to open forum and request input, thoughts, ideas and oppinions from the masses here on the Lot. my analytical mind has already assessed that i am begging for conflict and im well prepared for any nastier rude comments made by various trolls and wannabetrolls-in-training.. but since i truly do want others thoughts on this particular topic.. i choose to pose this querry anyways.
a friend and i are in a deadlock of a debate. both of us have valid points on the subject, and either of us can be right on it. as i havent fully made up my mind on which way i should feel.. my oppinions can be swayed either way at this point. i so love the indepth philosophical heated conversations that Pin and i get into sometimes... but thats neither here nor a bucket of wheat..
it is common ethical practice between those who are gifted/cursed with sight.. that to use such ability to infringe upon anothers personal space is the worse kind of violation of privacy there is. unlike a home invasion.. we are talking anothers soul.. their spirit.. heart and mind to the very core of its existance. i respect these boundaries whole heartedly..and never look past the general surface that is broadcast willingly without the others permission to do so.
the question is thus..
is a persons aura.. one of those surface things that are perfectly acceptable to veiw without prior permissions given.. OR is it one of those deeper more personal shouldnt be veiwed things that you should ask permissin for first?
Pin and Mal`s standing both is that it is a surface thing.. broadcast from everyone that is up for open veiwing to anyone interested in veiwing it.. the same as what a person is wearing, how they do their hair, what color their eyes are.
me.. i see it as an outer reflection of what lies beneath the surface.. and therefore shouldnt be veiwed without permissions from said ndividual.
so i ask you all here.. especially those who have this ability.. to tell me yer thoughts.. why you think and feel the way that you do.. feel free to get lengthy and longwinded.. so that i can then compile the data and obsess and decypher accordingly where my feelings on the subject ought be.
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@edgyk8inmomma (2157)
• United States
16 May 08
It doesn't look like you've gotten much help here yet. I mean with all of us being able to "read people" or get a "feeling" of people, but none yet that can actually see an aura.
I am another who gets a feeling about a person, and have been told by people who see aura's that their "reading" matched mine. But that doesn't mean they work the same. I don't have to focus or concentrate to be able to sense another person. It actually works the opposite way. I have to be completely open and unburdened with thought in order to get an accurate sense. And I can't make it happen, or keep it from happening.
My guess is this. You stated that these other two can do this more freely, and they see it as an outer thing that people just "wear" such as their clothing and such.
But for you its different, you have to look with your mind and really try, but you see this ability as something to be held back and only used when asked for.
Either one of two things could be your answer.
1. Your abilities are different.
2. You need to open up more and see an aura differently in order for the process to happen more easily.
JMO
~peace and blessings~
@tessah (6617)
• United States
16 May 08
yes.. in this area, my abilities are different than theirs as it comes easy for them.. and not for me. and in other areas, im the one who is attempting to shut it down because its happening without me trying, and theyre the ones striving for more adeptness in it. the subject arose during a discussion with Pin in regards to my empathic meltdown the other day. how the energies, emotions, thoughts, etc of others affect me.. Pin made the comment about how he can see them coming (in refference to those more negative that cause me to feel physically ill) and does a quickie "sheilds up scotty" manuever to guard himself from being affected by the same thing that sometimes has quite literally knocked me on my a55. his abilty to see the auras automatically as if something worn by the individual allows him the luxury of being able to do this. with me.. i dont see it until its already infected me.. has made my head spin.. my stomach turn.. at which point ive lost the focus necessary to toss these quickie barriers against the ick permeating me from them. we theorized that if i could fine tune my auric reading capables.. that id then be better equipped to essentially defend myself so this wouldnt happen anymore. the suggestion has been posed that i stay in a constant state of defense so that i never have to worry over it at all.. is exhaustive.. you cant possibly stay "ON" at all times.. so his suggestion to fine tune this area for myself holds merit. but here is where my ethical question came into play. SHOULD i fine tune this ability? or in doing so.. does it step past the boundaries of the personal space of others?
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
17 May 08
your thoughts on this mirror pins and in other areas as well. my choice of course is the latter of the two. im already capable of reading auras in order to get into the spiritual of another.. but again, always with permission and always with some errant focus being needed to do so. so to fine tune to do this isnt necessary. my main goal here is to be more adept at shrugging off what filters into me from those surrounding me.
imagine being in a dept store on xmas eve.. there are a good 300 people milling about.. everyone is in a rush.. impatient.. annoyed.. standing in line at the check out with a clerk that cant make the register work properly. everyone is edgy.. thoughts racing.. emotions are high.. tension is high.. and you can feel every single one of them. so much so that you cease to exist, and become them as a whole. the static in your brain is like when the cable goes out and theres nothing but incoherant noise.. you disintigrate. such is the peril of an empath..
youre not the first to suggest that the seeming opposite of what i want.. is the best course of action to prevent what im attempting to avoid. opening myself up MORE rather than trying to stifle this "gift".. this concept terrifies me to no end. any self proclaimed "experts" give the advice.. you need to sheild better.. you need to this, that or the other thing.. but not a single one has ever given me the tools or the education in which to do any of it. so i stumble about.. trial and error.. spending alot of time either washing my hands chanting "this doesnt belong to you.. not mine not mine not mine!!" or curled up in the fetal position waiting for whoevers broadcasting their pain and sadness within a 50 mile radius to settle, calm and release me from the grip of things that arent mine to possess.
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@edgyk8inmomma (2157)
• United States
17 May 08
wow, ok...
There comes a time when we as people need to think of our own boundaries, before we think of the boundaries of others. Do you want to fine tune this ability, to get into the spiritual realm of the individual, or do you want to fine tune it to be able to protect yourself from emotional/spiritual exhaustion? If your answer is the first, than I would say you pose an ethical question with merits. But if its the second, I think you would not be crossing any ethical boundaries. I think you should work on opening yourself up instead of barricading yourself in...that is just not healthy in any way shape or form.
I know opening yourself up sounds like a step in the wrong direction. But I don't mean opening yourself up to allow others in, but to allow yourself out. In doing this, I think you will be able to more quickly "spot" the negatives before they've overwhelmed you.
again this is just my opinion.
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@santuccie (3384)
• United States
17 May 08
This is an interesting question. I have a friend in school who is supposedly able to see everyone's aura, though I cannot myself. My only psychic ability that I am conscious of is prevision, and mine is not especially strong, nor voluntary.
But as a matter of uneducated, personal insight, it seems to me that a person's aura is not anything that is concealed from the world. Infants and animals with a strong sense of smell can tell a person's mood, and either gravitate toward or away from them. Even adult humans can get the gist of someone's mood simply by their behavior, and this is a useful defense mechanism that can help us avoid unnecessary conflict.
Reading a person's actual thoughts is definitely intrusive, unless one is given explicit permission to do so. But whether voluntarily or involuntarily so, a person's aura is not private; it is projected, and therefore public.
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@santuccie (3384)
• United States
18 May 08
You're welcome. And if your friend starts to gloat and torment you, there's a quick and easy way to rain on his parade: "Okaaaaaay, so you win. You were right and I was wrong. You want a cookie?" That oughta' quiet him down right quick.
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
18 May 08
thank you for your input. it seems that your oppinion is shared by the majority here. i agree with you about the sense of smell of some.. and i spose that an aura really isnt much different. it is something projected, even if not all can veiw it.
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@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
17 May 08
I would have to say that I agree with your friends...it is like looking at someones eye colour, outfit etc etc BUT I think that only because (and I'm not speaking from experience since I can't read auras) from what I understand, one who CAN read/see auras can't help but to see them..I could be wrong on that but thats what I've always thought...IF however thats not the case then I would have to agree with you and it is considered prying....
As it stands right now with the little info about it that I've learned I agree with your friends.
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
17 May 08
same as with most things.. some are able to do with ease and without effort.. and some have to practice to develop the ability. much like dancing.. some can just do it.. others need lessons. 6th sense abilities are no different. it isnt really a matter of with ease or effort.. because the end result is still the same..
i have to say my logic cant refute or ignore some of the points made here by the others.. and im leaning to this not being an invasion of anothers space. which means im going to have to go back to Pin and tell him he was right.. and thats going to lead to much torment and gloating LOL
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@arcadian (930)
• United States
17 May 08
When I was young I was very troubled about the things I could see and know that others seemed obliviuos to. But I'm old now, and have resolved alot of issues for my own satisfaction- and i think the army commercfial has it right- be all that you can be. if an ability is given to you, its yours for a reason- and we don't always get to know the why-
Aura is the vibration everyone gives off and some see. some feel rather than see, but I think that's a different thing altogether. I see it, and it has helped me - even whenI wished I wasn't seeing it. The green color that slides over the face of someone lying to me- kills me, particularly if I want to believe what they are saying. How many times a man thought he was winning me over only to watcdh me get very sad and turn away. Got a reputation for being weird, but never really told anyone how much was visible to me.
We all have these senses- many senses- and some fall away in infancy. Some don't. You got it, be olay with it. Ethics is a set of standards to establish decency in people's behavior toward one another. your dilemma is an ethical one to a point-
but it is unethical to blind yourself, - what you see, you see. What you make of it, and how you treat that information is where the ethics comes in.
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
17 May 08
thank you so much for your words here arcadian..
ive tried to write a response to this three different times now and cant seem to get the words right for what i want to say and have it come out right.
- but it is unethical to blind yourself, -
this simple phrase has shifted my perceptions quite a bit.. i never really gave thought to what was ethical by my own rights.. just in how my actions would possibly affect or intrude upon others.
the vantage point at which you look at something, is how you gain your oppinions on it. and sometimes it only takes a step to the left to change the entire picture. thank you.. for that step to the left.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
17 May 08
That's a tough one. For one thing, for some "seeing" an aura is something that is just sensed, like seeing someone's hair colour, smelling their after shave or sweat, hearing the cadence of their speech. For some they have to "shift" their "view" a bit I guess.
You know, I think it depends on the person. For many I can't see it as personal because most are unaware they even have an aura. So the fact that it suggest what is underneath would be lost on them.
Also, there are many other "outer" attributes that also give insight to what lies beneath.
What someone says.
And doesn't say.
Their eyes.
Their actions and inactions.
Their belief system.
Their health even is a direct reflection of the health of their mind and spirit.
And really, such "sight" is a gift and can be used to let a person know that something is off in their system that they may be unaware of. Of course, one could argue, if they really wanted to know - they just would, their higher self would tell them so, or they would ask.
I'll be interested in reading other responses.
@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
17 May 08
I guess my answer would be yes - if done from an ethical place.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
17 May 08
Oh I didn't mean if they're unaware it wouldn't affect them. I just don't think that viewing an aura affects a person.
I can't think that Mal and your friend viewing someone's aura will adversely affect them. Now, someone else with evil intentions might try to alter or affect the aura or use the information they obtain.
I do agree with your point about a psychic vampire though. Sometimes even the vampire is unaware of the...transaction of energy. However, viewing something and setting out to harm a person is kind of apples and oranges to me.
You say:
plus.. by the time im that close to a person to make these observations.. their energy has already spun the floor out from under me and im fighting back the urge to vomit all over them. malliki..
I hope its not all that bad! You're looking inwards though when looking them in the eye, its close to what is experienced by those who "feel" a person's aura on meeting them or interacting.
Your story about the company you worked for is horrible! How awful! How difficult it is to be a sensitve. One of my brother's old girlfriend's worked for them. One of those company's that have huge cheer fest conventions. Mal didn't feel it? Maybe part of him did but he wanted to do well in the company so his desire over ride the intuition?
Its good that he listens now.
OOhh and very good that he bakes yummy stuff. He believes in you, gives you massages on a regular basis and bakes. Wow. You couldn't have special ordered anyone better~
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
17 May 08
maybe my godcompleX is having trouble accepting that doing this isnt going to come as effortlessly as everythng else does.. and i might have to actually WORK at attaining something i want.. rather than have something i didnt ask for thrown into my lap, then having to learn how to deal with it. will be nice really..
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@CanadaGal (4304)
• Canada
16 May 08
I don't "see" auras (as in colours some are able to see emitted from others), but I do sense them. When I meet someone, I get a reading from them about their personality, and in my case, it is not something I can control, because it is very instantaneous.
I am curious to know how it is that you could keep yourself from seeing another's aura, short of always looking at the ground and never making eye contact with another soul again?
@tessah (6617)
• United States
16 May 08
the actual auric reading of colors and the patterns of them.. i have trouble seeing with my physical eyes.. i have to focus and see them with my minds eye. the picture comes in looking like a solouetted figure of the person with the colors surrounding that silouette. this entire debate stemmed from my wanting to be able to see them as mal and pin do.. effortlessly.
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@CanadaGal (4304)
• Canada
16 May 08
Then my mode of thinking is, if it's not coming to you effortlessly, then it's not meant for you to see all just yet. The fact that you have this gift (one which I've heard CAN be learned and improved upon with practice), is very special indeed.
Do you WANT to be able to see people's auras effortlessly like your friends do? If so, then you should practice, even with strangers. But the fact that you're questioning it tells me that you don't really want to do that, fearing it's like an invasion of privacy, which I get.
That being said, I do agree with the analogy of auras being like clothing and hairdos. They're out there for all to see who care to look.
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
17 May 08
it isnt that im not wanting to or not ready to.. its just simply that before i do anythng ever that could possibly affect another.. i lke to have all my ducks in a row as to whether or not its something i should be doing. just simply being able to.. doesnt necessarilly mean i SHOULD.. thus my obsessive train of thought.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
20 May 08
I've only ever had this ability in short spurts. I don't think one needs to ask one's opinion to view their aura because it's there for anyone who can see it to see. It's also open to interpretation. What one person might see may be in direct conflict with another. I used to only see people's auras who were deeply troubled. I never acted on what I saw, I just kept the info to myself. To me, it's certainly not an exact science.
Even if I was (vaguely) aware that this person was low enough to be self destructive, there would not be much I could do unless they were prepared to open up to me. The circumstances were never such that I could come out and ask what the problem was. I felt this is something someone should keep to themselves. Unless of course you have a real gift that is obvious and works at a high level. If you are in a position to help people then that's what you should do. Perhaps ask the person if they have had their aura read or if they would like to have it read. It's not information that should be broadcast to anyone who will listen. I'm not sure if this makes any sense...lol.
@tessah (6617)
• United States
20 May 08
it does lol
but the person im trying to help is ME.. i wouldnt be using what i saw for any other purpose but to protect myself if necessary, and i wouldnt be mentioning anything to the person about what i saw unless they expressly asked me to look and tell them what i saw.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
9 Jul 08
My question is, if it isn't ethical for those who are able to to view a person's aura, how are you not supposed to see it? As you've said, its out there in front just as a person's hair, makeup, and clothes are, so are you supposed to not look at them if they feel that its an invasion of privacy to see their aura? I think the only people who feel this way must have something to hide.
@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
17 May 08
Ok, if I've read this right, the question is the right to 'read' another's aura without permission. So going with that, here's what I think:
First of course, not everyone can see auras. I don't see them all the time, but when I concentrate I can, or if I"m in a heated discussion I can, and I sometimes feel them when I'm communicating with someone not physically in my company - but that could just be the fey in me. I don't know.
Sometimes a person's aura matches the words coming out of their mouths. So no real invasion there in the noting of it. But sometimes, the aura does NOT match the words, or behaviour under study, and that's when I would draw the line at further 'viewing'. It would be like invading their mind to find thoughts and 'information' that the individual does not want exposed, and that would just be wrong. Anyone adept at reading auras doesn't need a week to figure out what the aura means, and coupled with the words being spoken, an intelligent 'viewer' should be able to make the right interpretations without having to probe too deep.
Am I making sense?
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
17 May 08
You have a greater sensitivity than I do for this kind of thing. Sometimes I can see a persons aura quite clearly, and other times I need to be engaged with them in conversation before it becomes apparent. But I do agree with you that the viewer has an advantage if the aura is clear to them. I must educate myself more on this.
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
17 May 08
the way that i veiw auras.. least the way i see them now at current, regardless of a persons manner, words, attitude, or other outwardly illusion they wish to portray.. the colors and patterns of the auric vibrations reveals it all. their personality.. stress levels.. even the slightest trace of mental defect or illness.. is all shown to me in the splashes of color surrounding the individual. if someone is negative.. just a downright horrid human being.. the colors reflect this in tones of darkness and displeasing shades. if they are a kind and decent person holding no malice.. the colors are bright.. clear.. blindingly beautiful. it is, for me, seeing their entire essence of being. if i can hone this.. and be able to veiw this at a glance with ease.. i can pick and choose who to toss a barrier against so their ick doesnt infect me.. and i just might be able to function "normal" on a more regular basis without so much effort and energy.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
30 May 08
I am not really able to see auras but i do sense some'
of a person's personality from just being around them.
I would think an aura is just like a person's outer
'wear out there to be seen by those who have that
special gift. I would not worry about invading their
privacy anymore than you would worry about commenting
on someones clothes. this is on the surface not showing
'their very souls.
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
30 May 08
my problem with this was that in seeing them.. i am given a glimpse into their souls.. and beyond what they present to others at the forefront. but someone else pointed out that i wouldnt be using this to any advantage other than to protect myself.. and this intent alone wouldnt be considered an invasion of privacy.. but a defensive measure for my own self and safety. this reasoning has changed my veiwpoint on it.. and ive since started fine tuning this little ability of mine.
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