Obamas Resign From Church

@anniepa (27280)
United States
May 31, 2008 8:22pm CST
I say FANTASTIC! Now let's stop hearing and reading about it! Obama made a statement about this and other issues a short while ago. When asked he stated he would not renounce the Trinity Church because they were not worthy of renouncing. He also said how fellow church members had been bothered at home by members of the media, including sick members and shut-ins. He also said they would probably not decide on a new church until January. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24908975/ So, what do you think? Will this be the end of the questions about Obama's religious activities and can we finally start talking about issues or will they never leave him alone no matter what church he ends up choosing? Also, what do you know about McCain's pastor? I don't mean Hagee or Parsley but his personal pastor, if he has one? If he doesn't have one, do you care? If he has one but you've never heard anything about his sermons or views, are you interested in doing so or do you just assume there would be no controversy there? If so, why? Annie
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@taface412 (3175)
• United States
1 Jun 08
But there is a very important issue at stake that people may be missing in reagrds to Obama and Rev Wright. Here's my take on all this and why I have no longer felt the need to back him. ANd it upsets me because when he first announced his candidacy I was thrilled. How could a person sit in a church for decades and not hear or even get a glimpse of the racist views? I can talk to someone for 30 minutes and know if they are a racist.... And a friend said to me about this "you cannot judge somone by the pastor/church." Well my response is yes you can. Simply because if I was to attend a church or listen to someone preach hatred of another ethnicity....that may not make me a racist, but it makes me an idiot for sitting there and supporting that ignorant attitude towards others. If you choose where you attend services then you are going to be part of that congregation. Plain and simple. I certainly hope that Obama is not anything like Wright, but it makes me wonder if he only resigned because of the negative publicity and yes the media is going to run wild with publicity. So yes, I do care. It shows character and like I said before and I cannot reiterate it enough....How could he not know his pastor was this way? How can a voter trust the fact that it might take Obama 20 years after the fact (if he becomes president) that he has chosen the right people for the job. But no I do not think it is right that other congregates were bothered by the media. Even a rascist is allowed rights, and that is not to say everyone who attended that church is or was. I was not there, but I do know what I have seen and heard. And I do not believe that anyone should damn America. Yes there are consequences to actions, but this is a Nation to believe in no matter how much crap our leaders have gotten us into past or present. That is why I support Ron Paul who goes by the constitution. Hemay have backed out but he still was on KY's primary and I put my 2 cents in as a first time voter. I think it was too early for Obama to run. Who knows maybe in the future I can believe him more if I see some responsible actions. Good topic by the way.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
1 Jun 08
What evidence do you have that Wright is a racist? He "damned" America, as in the American government. I think probably at least a million of us do that everyday, especially with our current government but that doesn't mean we hate our country or its people, we hate what some people within the government is doing, there's a big difference. This is not a defense of Wright, I think he's an obnoxious, despicable man but to call him or the church racist isn't justified especially when the church is 90% white, a fact that somehow gets overlooked again and again. What I'd love to see when it comes to politics and religion is for a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy to be put in place. No candidate should be asked about their personal religious affiliation or beliefs and they shouldn't tell what it is and if any church leader takes it upon himself to endorse a candidate their church should lose its non-profit status instantly. Annie
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@taface412 (3175)
• United States
1 Jun 08
In the article link you posted there are even references of another pastor from the same pulpit making racial remarks about another candidate....all I am going to say is ignorance is ignorance... and Obama did do the right thing in distancing himself fom it. No matter how long it took. All I am saying is I watch people and how situations are before I can make a valid decision. And it is a long time before National elections and it is a short time befor National elections. And yes America has done wrong in the past in many ways, starting with the original people who were in America first...the Native American. And anyone who dwells on a racist past can be clouded on a united future. But this topic is about Obama and for some reason because of his multicultural background (which I find refreshing that someone who represents what America is a big melting pot is in the running). Honestly I am ready to hear the real issues so I can make a well informed vote, instead of all the soap opera drama that the press protrays.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
1 Jun 08
The way I see it, Wright didn't "preach hatred of another ethnicity", he preached anger at the government of our country and some may say he was right in doing so. If I say I currently disagree with many of our government's policies and with our current President does that mean I hate my country or, taking it a step further as everyone seems to have done in Reverend Wright's case, since our President and most of those in the Administration are white, does that mean I hate whites even though I am one? Annie
• United States
1 Jun 08
What took him so long? I thought he said a few months back that Rev. Wrong was like an uncle and he couldn't denounce the church. Which is it? Come on, are you trying to say that he is now denouncing it for sake of the church members because the media is bothering them? Rev. Wright seemed to love being in the spot light. I don't care at this point if he denounced the church or not. What bothers me is the fact that he even went to the church for so long. Normally what a church teaches or the denomination it is wouldn't affect my vote but what this church teaches and preaches is insane. I don't know how anyone could go to a church that is so against another race and our country for one sermon let alone for 20 years.
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
1 Jun 08
"I don't know how anyone could go to a church that is so against another race and our country for one sermon let alone for 20 years." So "the church" is against 90% of its own congregation? As bad as Reverend Wright's words in that one instance were - and I'm not denying, they were awful - they were not against a race or any individual people, they were against the U.S. Government, which has been run by - GASP! - white males. I didn't say he was denouncing it for the sake of the members because of the media, I said he stated the media was calling church members at home after grabbing bulletins from the church, many of them shut-ins. Reverend Wright did seem to love being in the spotlight, there's no doubt about that. He didn't renounce the church itself; the church is not its pastor. He said the church has done much good work through the years for the poor, the homeless and the sick, isn't that what churches are supposed to do? Annie
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@Rozie37 (15499)
• Turkmenistan
1 Jun 08
The idea of them harrassing members of that church is just sick. Talk about taking a thing too far. They are really trying their best to pin something on Obama. The most ridiculous one yet was accusing him of being racist. As far as I am concerned, he is as white as he is black. I just don't like John McCain at all. But I suppose if I thought he had a real chance of being our next president, I would be very concerned about a lot of things the pertain to him.
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@fiona08 (454)
• United States
1 Jun 08
I am afraid we will never be past the issue of Obama's religion. Still today, many people, on mylot claim he was muslim, and changed to psyche us all out so he could be elected. You think they are ever going to let him practice his faith as he wishes, and listen to what he has to say about running the country? I hope so, but I am doubtful.
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@irisheyes (4372)
• United States
3 Jun 08
I don't see how the electorate can forget that church or Obama's affiliation with it. I was willing to give Rev Wright the benefit of the doubt especially since some of his comments were taken out of context but that was before I saw the so called sermon of Father Pfleger (Spelling ?). Not bad enough that he wasn't censored by his cardinal as any other priest sould have been but we had to watch Jesse Jackson (whom I always liked until now) and his friends applaud that disgusting performance. Now it's comming out that Louis Farranken (Spelling again?) one of the world's leading anti-semites also had connections to the same church. That church wasn't a place of worship, it was a hub of hate and Barack Obama was affiliated with it for twenty years. How do you just look past that?
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@anniepa (27280)
• United States
3 Jun 08
"I don't see how the electorate can forget that church or Obama's affiliation with it." I have to ask - by that do you mean we should vote for someone with whom we agree on absolutely nothing or not vote at all, essentially possibly giving the election to the candidate we feel would do nothing but harm to our country and its people? "...Not bad enough that he wasn't censored by his cardinal as any other priest sould have been..." I believe it was reported awhile ago that he indeed was censored by the Diocese; how is it Obama's fault what the Catholic Church does? Or what a guest speaker at his now-former church said, for that matter? "Now it's comming out that Louis Farranken (Spelling again?) one of the world's leading anti-semites also had connections to the same church." His "connection" is that a magazine connected to the church gave an award to him. Notice that I didn't even attempt to spell either of those names...lol! Annie
@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
1 Jun 08
"I can no more disown (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice. He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics." Who said this your Barack Obama. I wonder why he could be so loyal and defensive, but know turn his back on his pastor and his church. I love how you want us to stop talking about Rev Wright, but you keep writing discussion about Hagee, and Parsley, interesting.
@fiona08 (454)
• United States
1 Jun 08
I think if you will read carefully gewcew, you will see that Annie said, "not Hagee and Parsley, but his own pastor." You spin, and twist, and chop words for your own benefit. . .also interesting.
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@skinnychick (6906)
• United States
1 Jun 08
I was thinking the same thing when I first read about this...Can we now move on to something else? I don't know anything about McCain's pastor...I just tune out McCain all together.
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@mehale (2200)
• United States
1 Jun 08
I think that the main reason there has been so much speculation about Obama and his church is because of the rumors that were flying around on the internet for some time that he was muslim. I really don't think there would have been quite so much attention paid if not for those rumors. As far as McCain, according to the MSNBC article that you shared the link for, there are some rather out there and extreme theories that these pastors have as well. That does make you wonder, but I really have no intention of voting for McCain in the general election (though I guess that could change, but I doubt it) so I have not done as much research into his background. Just deep enough to know that I really do not support him.
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• United States
1 Jun 08
Oh, no, it's not over and why should it be? Just because he resigns from his church now, after 20 years, for political purposes? I don't think so. I am sure if he gets the nomination, the McCain camp will use the antics of his friends and cronies to the best of their abilities. That's just politics. As far as McCain's pastor, who cares? Has he recorded himself (or herself) on video saying unbelieveably prejudiced and hateful things about our country or other citizens of it? I doubt it. No news there. Finally start talking about the issues? Why now? Obama has spent a year avoiding the issues. It's a little late now to bring them up. I could care less about his views on the issues now. Had he decided to discuss them before instead of discussing what the Republicans and the Clintons have done wrong, then I would have been interested. I personally hope there is more dirt to find on Obama. That I will be more than happy to hear about.
@anniepa (27280)
• United States
3 Jun 08
"I personally hope there is more dirt to find on Obama. That I will be more than happy to hear about." Be sure not to let anything like "FACTS" get in the way. Annie
• United States
3 Jun 08
There are facts, then there are "facts." lol Don't worry, I know which ones to believe.
• United States
1 Jun 08
I am sory to tell you but Obama the clown has more problems coming his way with his family and friends. Therefore, look for somethng that will come out soon about his anti- american hating wife Michelle Obama.