Hugo Chavez - the 'darling of the left'. How does the 'freedom loving' left ..

@ladyluna (7004)
United States
June 3, 2008 8:13am CST
Hello All, How long have we seen actors, actresses, models, politicians, and the news media 'gush' over Hugo Chavez? I'd like to hear how those 'freedom loving' liberals explain their support of this maniacal tyrant now!!! Yes, I would very much like to hear the Hollywood elite, and certain members of the Democrat Party explain themselves now, after Hugo Chavez, in just a few short years (since 1998) has turned Venezuela, a once shining star of South America, into the ugliest reality of the former Soviet Union. "[i]CARACAS, Venezuela: President Hugo Chávez has used his decree powers to carry out a major overhaul of this country's intelligence agencies, provoking a fierce backlash here from human rights groups and legal scholars who say the measures will force citizens to inform on one another to avoid prison terms.... The new law requires people in the country to comply with requests to assist the agencies, secret police or community activist groups loyal to Chávez. Refusal can result in prison terms of two to four years for most people and four to six years for government employees. "We are before a set of measures that are a threat to all of us," said Blanca Rosa Mármol de León, a justice on Venezuela's top court, in a rare public judicial dissent[/i]...." Below is the link from The International Herald Tribune: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/03/america/03venez.php ___________________________________________________________ "Democratic Socialism is love of the people." These words of Venezuela's President announced the birth of a different world – a just and peaceful world the youth of the entire planet believes is possible. Hugo Chavez' speech before the General Assembly of the United Nations on January 29, 2007. http://communication-evolution.org/blog/hugo-chavez-vision-the-earths-dream/ ____________________________________________________________ "I'm Joe Kennedy. Help is on the way," the former congressman says in a voiceover while the ad shows him on an oil rig in Lake Maracaibo, Venezuela. "Heating oil at 40 percent off from our friends at Venezuela and CITGO. Call me at Citizens Energy ..." "No one should be left out in the cold," he concludes." In his letter to Kennedy, Mack wrote: "Sadly, you have chosen to actively participate in [Chavez'] charade even as he continues to attack the United States, our leaders and freedom-loving people everywhere." http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/2/13/73052.shtml ____________________________________________________________ Sean Penn, Cindy Sheehan, Danny Glover, Tim Robbins, Oliver Stone, ... Kevin Spacey, http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/09/25/how-misguided-can-hollywood-get-actor-kevin-spacey-meets-with-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez/ Barbara Walters - "Walters even called him “dignified,” “warm” and “friendly” in a recent interview..." http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070516121424.aspx MARGARET PRESCOD from "Democracy Now"": "Mr. President, on behalf of KPFK, Pacifica Radio in Southern California, welcome to the United States. We have been waiting for this moment"... http://communication-evolution.org/blog/hugo-chavez-vision-the-earths-dream/ Each should be hounded by the American people until they recant their support for this 'thug-tyrant'. [b]What say you? Should the darlings of Hollywood, D.C. and the media be given a pass on their wholly misguided support of this Soviet-styled thug? Or, should they be held to account for their foolish ignorance, designed to curry favor among their fan-bases, constituents, and readers? How can anyone now equate democratic-socialism with anything but repression, oppression, and power-hungry thuggery??? And, does this not prove what I, and many others, have long warned: That socialism in a heirarchical reality cannot help but lead to fascism? [/b]
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• United States
3 Jun 08
The 'Freedom Loving Left' shares with Chavez what they consider to be admirable goals. That business of forcing citizens to inform on one another is not 'evil' when done by leftists, by their way of thinking. Afterall, when leftists control the state, it no longer is an instrument of evil but represents the best of what is good with mankind. Only a traitor to all of humanity would oppose any leftist government. I'm not kidding, this is how they think. They are delusional sick people. (Leftists, that is!)
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
3 Jun 08
Hello Red, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this terribly grave news, and your broader perspective. In my experience, there is no question that liberal Marxists have a voluminous record of making excuses for fascist policy enactment, if it is they who enact such policies 'for the good of the collective'. Though, quite frankly, I have to imagine that any Marxist would be hard-pressed to defend Chavez' adoption of a KGB styled remedy to what ails him - public opposition. Yet, by the tone of the second response to this discussion, it would seem that I have overestimated the Marxists among us -- and you have pinned the tail on the 'donkey'!
• United States
5 Jun 08
I'm somewhat honored to represent Marxism (though I've never read a word of him). I don't believe Capitalism can be exploitative, and is far from an ideal system, particularly if unrestrained. Workers of the world unite! Anyway, I personally don't believe that anyone that opposes a leftist government is a traitor to all humanity. Just as I don't think everyone that opposes the current US administration is a traitor to their country, as some would have us believe. Aren't there similar examples of right wing governments controlling the state, infringing liberty (Pinochet, Singapore, Hitler, Mussolini, Iran, El Salvador, Philippines, to name but a few)? Isn't this what the current administration has been aiming at? You guys just cannot abide Socialism in any form, and are falling over yourselves to find ways to discredit it.
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• United States
5 Jun 08
That should have read: I do believe Capitalism can be exploitative. Talk about a human gaffe machine! :)
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• United States
3 Jun 08
Some of the same could be said of the Bush administration. Shades of right-wing propaganda. Chavez is democratically elected, unlike the Soviet Union of yore. He stands up to America, and is showing that socialism still has legs. In fact, the South American continent is showing a refreshing independence from US led global capitalism.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
3 Jun 08
What do you have against capitalism?
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• United States
3 Jun 08
There's a David and Goliath element to Chavez's standing up to the US. Plus, I like to be on the side of the Hollywood, as those guys are cool I don't think Capitalism is necessarily bad in all its aspects. It does work pretty well in a limited economic arena. But I also think this means Capitalism is totally good, and that no other system can work. A modified Capitalism may be the ideal solution, one that gives a true value to quality of life for all citizens, a true value to the the environment, cultural heritage, and many other intangibles whose value is not accurately reflected in the Conservative idea of Capitalism which seems to know the cost of everything but the value of nothing. If a country democratically votes for a Socialist government, perhaps because they believe this will be for the greater good rather than benefiting a wealthy minority, shouldn't this be allowed if you really believe in freedom? The US historically has tried to quash these types of democratically elected Socialist governments, either by nefarious military means (see Nicaragua) or by economic pressure (all of them). I admit there's an element of Conservative-baiting in some of my comments. So please do take them with a pinch of salt. None of us are true political or economic gurus, are we?
• United States
3 Jun 08
That should have read: "But I also DON'T think this means Capitalism is totally good.." Though it was probably obvious, it seems an important distinction to clarify..