An Oklahoma Black man alleges that a group of White men tried to hang him...

@ladyluna (7004)
United States
June 5, 2008 7:49am CST
Have you seen this deeply disturbing news story? "A black man who told police he was nearly lynched by a group of white men..." "He said they accused him of stealing cattle, wrapped a rope around his neck and dragged him around and beat him," ... "Later, he admitted that he was arguing with his wife at an apartment complex and went running through the yard and ran into a clothesline and got the burn on his neck. His wife confirmed that." Below is the link to the story: http://newsok.com/fbi-sheriff-lynching-report-false/article/3251897/[/i] ____________________________________________________________ Here are my questions to you: 1. Do these types of 'false allegations' perpetuate racial tensions in America? 2. The accuser may be charged by the Sheriff's Department for "filing a false statement". Should he be charged? And, is that charge sufficient, or should he be charged with a "hate-crime"? 3. What would make a person believe that it is acceptable to make such a false claim -- given the incendiary nature of a 'lynch threat'? 4. Is this 'false report' issue on par with other instances of false reporting? For example: many of you will likely remember the Texas female student who falsely alleged that she had been attacked by a group of Hispanic kids at her school -- supposedly in retaliation for her anti-illegal immigrant stand. As you see it, are these two examples on par, or does the accusation of 'lynching' set this lie apart from other lies? 5. Is this story reminiscent of the incident at Columbia University last year, where a Black, female professor reported that a noose had been left on her door? Where the allegations flew that the professor put the noose there herself to draw attention away from the ongoing investigation into her theft of intellectual property -- and where she was, in fact, charged with multiple counts of plagiarism? http://www.nypost.com/seven/02212008/news/regionalnews/noose_prof_a_plagiarist_98598.htm Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this complex issue. I look forward to reading all of your contributions!
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6 responses
• United States
5 Jun 08
Nobody really lynches anyone anymore. This is a case of the good in the 'good' old days being that they are gone. As to making these kinds of false allegations, it should be treated as a very serious crime.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
5 Jun 08
Hello Red, Thanks for sharing! Do you think that it should be treated as a 'hate-crime'? Or would raising the penalty designator upward, to say a 1st degree felony, be suitable? I, for one, don't believe that it is Constitutional to lable something a 'hate crime', because it implies criminality based on feeling, rather than action. Though, I would be thrilled to see the penalty for filing a societally incendiary 'false report' seriously boosted. What do you think?
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• United States
5 Jun 08
I have to agree that calling something a 'hate crime' is only calling a 'thought crime' by another name. Actions speak louder than thoughts. Thoughts should never be punished. As to increasing the penalty for making false police reports, I can go along with that as long as the crime is based on the accused actions.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
5 Jun 08
Thanks for the clarification, Red. I agree that action is punishable, though not thought or emotion. Once empowered, a 'thought police' is a potentiality that is just wayyyyyy tooooo ripe for abuse.
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• United States
6 Jun 08
1. Abso-freakin-lutely, In fact I think that this is a MAJOR cause for racial tension in America. You'll notice the first thing they did when this was reported was call the FBI. That doesn't sound like a system that is against blacks. They wanted to get to the bottom of the issue right away. 2. ALL crime is "Hate-Crime". He should be charged with filing a false report AND he should have to pay a SERIOUS fine, to offset the cost of the false investigation. 3.hatred for white people. Even Chris Rock says that the MOST racist People in America are old black men. I think the young ones are catching it too, and if Obama Gets elected, It will only get worse. Unfortunately, if he doesn't get elected,it's not going to get any better. 4.I think it goes a little further than this case because it involves lynching. But a false report is a false report. At least this guy didn't actually accuse anyone by name. He probably didn't think about the FBI getting involved. But it would be on par with a girl reporting a false rape. 5.I didn't hear about the CU incident(wonder why), But it doesn't surprise me.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
6 Jun 08
Hello Morethanamolehill, You make some truly terrific points here: 1. Yup, the FBI was called straight-away. The local Sheriff clearly didn't effort himself to 'sweep' the allegation under the rug. Nicely done, Sheriff! 2. I was wondering if anyone would mention the relatively new police tactic of charging for the cost of allocated emergency responder time and resources. Not so unlike the German tourists having been fined (big time) for having set the 300,000 acre 'Los Alamos' forest fire in 2000. This is a very interesting practice, that I believe deserves its own dedicated discussion. If you decide to initiate it, please do let me know -- as I'd like to chime in on that one! 3. I have never heard Chris Rock say that about old, black men. Though, it doesn't surprise me to see it suggested that Chris Rock would be such an 'equal opportunity outer'. He's a very funny man BECAUSE his comedy is ripe with truth. As is the case with most of the best comedy material! Your mention of young black men raises a troubling issue for me. In addition to the many poignant points that Bill Cosby, Rev. Jesse Lee Petersen, and Starr Parker have been making about the condition of the black community, one of the few issues that I never hear discussed in mixed company is that of 'jewels in the crown'. Which is the prideful impregnation of as many women as possible by every young, black, man -- as proof of his virility. Each child represents a 'jewel in the crown'. Yet, there is almost never any intention to parent those 'jewels'. 4. I agree that because of the social stigma of a noose, or lynching, that this is much more contemptable than a similar scenario, but where no lynch threat is implied. I have queried whether the false reporter should be charged with a 'hate crime' for many reasons. Though, specifically doesn't this exacerbate hate as much as a white man making the threat of a lynching? Yet, the law applies no parity. I believe this needs to be addressed. 5. I am surprised that you missed the C.U. incident. As is usually the case with most cries of racism, this was covered exhaustively. And, I REALLY mean exhaustively. Ugghhh! To the best of my knowledge, there has still been no charges filed in that case. Yet security video was reluctantly provided by the University to the FBI. Grrr on no resolution, or is perhaps 'announcement of resolution' more appropriate? Anyway, thanks for putting so much thought into your answer. Nicely done!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
7 Jun 08
Hello Morethanamolehill, I completely understand how you may have 'stopped short' after reading one of Destiny's comments. He is a very thought-provoking member of this community, though he is not alone -- we have many gifted 'inquisitors' among us! Let me applaud your comment: "I started thinking..." (We need much more of that in this world!!!) "And you KNOW where ThAT leads." (Indeed, I do! Though, it's not always comfortable or popular!) "Jewels in the Crown...WOW." (Reprehensible, or what?) I know that I missed your 'coming of age' marker of 100 posts for a bona fide star rating, though I wanted to welcome you to MyLot anyway. Welcome, I hope that you thoroughly enjoy your time here!
• United States
7 Jun 08
Thank You m'Lady but I must say you ask some pretty good questions too! I was just going to give a Hear Hear! to Destiny007 comments and move on but then I started thinking...And you KNOW where ThAT leads. Jewels in the Crown...WOW. Any way here is a Chris Rock vid That I found. It's not the bit I was referring to but it's just as good. Remember it's CHRIS ROCK. I'm not responsible for any of his comments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3qI13SZwFI&NR=1
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
6 Jun 08
Who lynches anymore. I think this guy watch one to many western movies. It almost sound like he was running from his wife. I wonder if he has a wife like Bill Clinton has. To answer question 1 do you remember the Duke rape case. Remember how the black community was out for blood. Even when it was proven that those boys did nothing to that woman the black community still was angry. I remember one of the leader of the black community over there told the families of the Duke player that they had no right to celebrity. He should be charged with filling out a false statement. You do not just go to your local sheriff's department and say someone tried to lynch you. I really do not know what would make someone come up with a statement like that. Lynching would be a big deal, maybe he wanted to start up something. Just imagine if this story had made it on to Nancy Grace's show. Imagine what she would have done to blow it up, just like the Duke rape case.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
6 Jun 08
Hello Gewcew, Ah yes, I remember that gross miscarriage of justice very well. I contemplated including it in my comparatives, though five questions was probably more than enough, eh? I have only seen Nancy Grace's show a few times. So, I completely missed her coverage of the Duke LaCrosse case. To which side did her coverage favor?
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
6 Jun 08
Nancy was ready to sentence the Duke player to jail. She lost any respect I had for her when she refused to apologize to the families of the Duke player.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
6 Jun 08
Hello Gewcew, Thanks for the follow up. The 'Duke/LaCrosse' case is one of the few isolated examples that most anyone could use to assess a particular individual's or media outlet's perceivable views on many broader issues. There aren't really many instances where an isolated incident can offer some level of 'x-ray' vision into the inner most workings of others. Though, the Duke case was extraordiarily exposing. Thank you, I value your assessment that Nancy Grace was not up to the task of maintaining objectivity.
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@Rozie37 (15499)
• Turkmenistan
7 Jun 08
I think that this guy must have some kind of mental issues because I see no motive behind him doing that. Unless he actually had a confrontation with these guys and was trying to be vindictive against them. In any case, it is not right to make it a racial situation if that did not occur and he needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for lying like that. He should not go stirring up racial issues if there are none. By the way, I am African America. But I hate racism of any kind, no matter the color.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
8 Jun 08
Hello Rozie37, To your comment: "I hate racism of any kind, no matter the color.", I say Thank You! That is as it should be!
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
5 Jun 08
I can't see any other reason someone would make something like this up except to get attention. All it does is make it harder on ppl who actually have to report legitamate crimes and makes ppl wonder if the crimes are actually true or just made up. I think he should be charged with filing a false report in the very least. **AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
6 Jun 08
Hello Twoey, Yes, you're right about the 'crying wolf' aspect. Great point!
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@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
5 Jun 08
Sometimes I wonder how much of what we read is true. I'm waiting for him to come out and tell us that none of it is.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
5 Jun 08
Hello Ctry, The story is so poorly written, that only the mention of a still potentially viable assault case bould give one reason to ask 'what really happened that day'? Given that the accuser's name has been witheld, I do not expect that we'll ever hear any follow up on whether any aspect of the allegations are true. Good point, though!
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