Obama Was Selected, Not Elected

@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
June 5, 2008 5:48pm CST
When Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 election, but lost the Electoral College or, for short, "the Constitutionally prescribed method for choosing presidents" anyone who denied the sacred importance of the popular vote was either an idiot or a dangerous partisan. Remember those great days. Now Hillary has won the popular vote in a Democratic primary, while Obambi has won under the rules. It's the exact same situation as in 2000, with Hillary in the position of Gore and Obama in the position of Bush. So where are the protesters? I am waiting for Al Sharpton starting a chant Obama was selected not elected. Turn about is fair play.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
6 Jun 08
You're right. As a once loyal Democrat and staunch Hillary supporter, I'm furious about how she's been treated by the good ole boys in the Democratic party. HOWEVER, the truth is that the choice of a nominee has traditionally been up to the party and the delegates. It's only been a recent thing that primaries became uber important and the electorate started to feel that THEY nominated as well as elected a president. Hell. we're now lucky if our vote counts at all. I just hope that when the Republicans finally get around to nominating a woman for president, they'll treat her fairly and not elbow her out the way the Democrats did.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Jun 08
"I just hope that when the Republicans finally get around to nominating a woman for president, they'll treat her fairly and not elbow her out the way the Democrats did." The Republicans nominate a WOMAN??? Are you KIDDING!! Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
7 Jun 08
Why don't you think republicans would nominate a woman Annie? There are plenty of female republicans, and plenty of female politicians who are republicans. There's even a fair chance that McCain may choose a woman as his running mate.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
5 Jun 08
This will not happen, unless Hillary tries it. That would not be wise though, because there are far too many people who would remind her of these things. With the double standard firmly in place, we have to remember that the same rules for the democrats will get a republican investigated. I would say that holding your breath on this would not be advisable.
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• United States
6 Jun 08
Clinton did get the popular vote in the primaries, & she should have been the democratic nominee. Also, like you said, Gore won the popular vote, but Bush ended up winning the electoral vote. This goes well beyond this. It should be one man, one vote, or better put, one person, one vote. This electoral / superdelegates situation is nothing more than voter fraud as far as I am concerned. I'm sure if they abolish that atrocity, more people would come out & vote.
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• United States
6 Jun 08
First of all, Hillary Clinton did not win the popular vote. Her math (and apparently, yours as well) ignores the fact that there is no actual popular vote count in the caucuses. How many votes did Obama win in caucus states? We don't know exactly, and we don't know how many exactly she received either. Then there is the matter of Michigan. He wasn't even on the ballot there, so how is it legitimate to count popular vote there when she ran, essentially, unopposed? She's playing the numbers to work them to favor herself. And can we not forget that the winner is not determined by the popular vote? It never has been in this country so why are we griping and whining about it now? If it is so flawed and so "undemocratic" then there should be more of an effort to do away with the whole delegate and electoral systems. Our forefathers had it right, though, when they came up with the electoral system. Think about a minute: it is the most effective way to prevent the minority from being dominated by the majority. States with tiny populations like Wyoming and Vermont wouldn't have any say whatsoever with states like California, Texas, and New York with their huge populations being able to dominate the politics of the nation. Having a popular vote election has a very significant downside.
• United States
6 Jun 08
Math has nothing to do with it. It was something that was said on various sources of news, such as AP, CNN, Reuters, various newspapers. Try posting without personal attacks. I will be keeping a close eye on you.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
6 Jun 08
Those states with the tiny populations you mentioned are RED states and will probably support the Republican candidate. The votes that nominated Obama came from Democratic minorities in states that will not give a single electoral vote to Obama in the fall. In the meantime, the states that have enough of a Democratic electorate to elect a president were bypassed and the battleground states of Florida and Michigan were ignored. The Dems have allowed a few small Republican states to name their candidate and disregarded the Democratic states that csan elect their candidate. It's a grave miscalculation or that they are likely to pay the price in November.
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
6 Jun 08
Democrats, especially liberals, use the rules when it is to their benefit. Generally they make up rules as they go. And of course, no one is allowed to argue with them. I am not a Hillary fan, but in reality the DNC treated her like they did Florida and Michigan. The American people are forced to put up with so mcuh worthless politics, and in the end we get to vote for losers. djbtol
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Jun 08
Actually Bush was selected not elected because the Supreme Court wouldn't allow the votes to all be counted but that's another discussion altogether. I AM opposed to the Electoral College and to delegates in general, for what it's worth, but what figures are you using that gives Hillary the popular vote? The ones where some of the caucus states were counted and others were not, the ones that counted Michigan where she was the only one on the ballot? Anyway, I know that's not your point here but you're wrong about what those who protested the 2000 election were protesting about, not about the popular vote vs. Elector College but that the votes weren't recounted as ordered by Florida law. Annie
• United States
6 Jun 08
Actually, Bush was ELECTED because the popular vote is NOT what elects our president, which is the way our Constitution has been from the very beginning. Bush WON with the electoral votes, which are the votes that actually elect the president. As to the recounts, there were what, 4 or 5 recounts until the court finally put an end to the foolishness? If it had been up to the stupid democrats, we would STILL be recounting the votes, even after Bush having been re-elected for a SECOND TERM... and I love how much that frosts the democrats. On top of that, Gore had even conceded and recanted after he found out how close the votes were.... But I am willing to bet you don't remember that either.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Jun 08
All the votes in Florida were counted Annie. I know you and your ilk will never get over losing the 2000 election. There was a full count that showed Bush winning by about 1700 votes. There was then a mandatory recount that showed him winning by about 500 votes. Then Al Gore demanded recounts in the 5 counties with the most democrats and that cut Bush's lead to around 300 votes. Those were the votes that were 100% based on, and in line with Florida law. The election should have ended right there. Instead, he demanded ANOTHER full, statewide recount. That recount happened in many counties, but that was when the supreme court stepped in and said it was time to stop recounting the votes because the ballots in most counties involved many punch cards which were losing their integrity because many chads whether hanging swinging, or poked were falling out of the cards and it was becoming more difficult with each recount to determine who the votes were actually for. Just for the record a newspaper, I believe the Miami Herald, did their own full, independent recount that still showed Bush winning the election. Sorry if the plethora of recounts wasn't enough for you. You obviously didn't follow the Florida election closely enough to realize that the law was followed to the T and it was Al Gore who was trying to rewrite the rules to get himself elected. He also ignored the fact that the democrat loaded counties were throwing out absentee ballots sent by military personnel overseas because they weren't postmarked. Apparently he didn't want every vote to count, just the ones for him. Also just to educate you on the current election, Hillary Clinton was not the only one on the Michigan ballot. There were at least 3 other candidates on that ballot who also received votes. Obama just wanted to kiss the DNC's a$$ so he removed his name from the ballot, showing exactly how he little he cares about the citizens of Michigan.
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
6 Jun 08
I think your are right about this. The democrats are wanting to run a fresh, young, charismatic leader without ties to past scandals, and Hillary just didn't fit the ticket. I think her campaign and the progress she made were purposely ignored, and no one is going to protest the results. However, there are several grass roots movements by Hillary's supporters to support John McCain in this election in order to promote Senator Clinton's chances of getting the nomination in 2012.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Jun 08
No ties to past scandals? Have you heard about Reverend Wright? I know he's a new scandal to some, but there are videos of him preaching his racism years ago. I still can't believe how many democrats were so nasty to her just because she didn't give up immediately after Obama took the lead. God forbid a presidential candidate not be a quitter in a close race.
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