Ebay sellers can no longer give negative or neutral feedbacks to their buyers

@Jemina (5770)
June 6, 2008 1:25am CST
Is this a good or bad idea? For sellers, of course it's important that you know the reputation of your buyer, don't you. Well, please indicate your feeling on this matter. Thanks.
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@missybal (4490)
• United States
26 Jun 08
I think it's bad. Some buyers are a real pain to deal with. I had one that I kept giving my mailing address to, because she kept asking for it to send my payment. Of course anyone familiar with ebay knows when you buy an item the invoice has where to send your payments right on it. They had some setting messed up that blocked emails from ebay. Then after five emails that I returned and only 2 days since the item ended that person left me a negative feedback stating they couldn't get my mailing address to send my payment and I gave no response. I had to put my phone number as the response to her feedback and stated I had been sending emails and to call me. She called and we got it straightened out, but that negative haunted me for a long time until ebay recently made it so negatives that were from so long ago would be deleated. She said she would tell ebay to take out her negative feedback but she didn't know how I guess so it stayed. It was when I only had about 50 so It really messed up my business and I did have a decline in sales for a while after that. I didn't leave her negative feedback...It was neutral but I was been nice thinking she was going to get my negative deleted. I think that if the buyer doesn't pay it should definately be a negative feedback. I have had a couple that never paid, but I do think that there should be a wait for the person to pay before they are allowed to leave negative feedback on both sides. Give it the chance to work it out.
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@Jemina (5770)
17 May 09
Sorry to hear about that. I know how negative feedbacks can affect your reputation as a seller. As a buyer I would like to see 99.9 to 100% rating. Otherwise it would make me give it a second thought. I agree with you, sellers and buyers should wait for things to straighten up before leaving feedbacks.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
26 Jun 08
Hello Jemina, It takes two to Tango. It also takes, at least, two to enact a sales transaction. Buyers and sellers should be able to rate each other, since one is powerless without the other. While there are seller abuses, there are also buyer abuses! This change leaves future sellers 'blind' to be able to avoid scam buyers. Bad move, Ebay!!!
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@Darkwing (21583)
9 Jun 08
I just noticed that a day or two ago, and I think it makes it difficult for buyers to spot when there's a bad seller. I agree, you do need to know their reputation, as before. I suppose it tempts mischievous people to stir up trouble for sellers at times, but just the same, I do like to know who I'm dealing with. I guess that in future, I'll stick to the ones I've used before, and whose reputations I'm aware of. Brightest Blessings, my friend.
@Darkwing (21583)
9 Jun 08
Yes, I agree. I did see a bit of a slanging match going on once but it seemed to have been sorted. I would think it's easier to have a downgrading system for those who don't meet supply standards, and also, those who continually complain about the sellers. There should be an arbitration system, I feel.
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@Jemina (5770)
10 Jun 08
The arbitration system should work fine with this. It's really very bias for ebay to side on the buyers when in fact some buyers could also be abusive. Now with the current system I bet they get more arrogant.
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@Jemina (5770)
9 Jun 08
There must be something unpleasant that have transpired before so ebay resorted to this. Unfortunately, one solution to a problem creates another one.
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@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
6 Jun 08
Well to me it is kind of a bad idea. Espically if you have never recived the product that you payed for or if you couldn't get it to work. Or if it was a book that you ordered and it is marked through. I started buying more from Amazon myself. The items that I have ordered from there have seemed great so far.
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@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
7 Jun 08
I also agree with the sellers side since I have sold before on ebay. If the item hasn't been paid for after 4 days their should be a way to rate them negitive. That hasn't happened to me so far yet but I have had a few that have wanted their money back without returning their item. I like the item returned before I give any money back. I had one that tried that with me once before.That is one reason I stopped selling on ebay also. People try to get their money back without returning their item.
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@Jemina (5770)
7 Jun 08
Well, if you are the buyer you can rate your seller negatively for that. But if you are the seller and the one who won the bid will not buy the item afterall, you cannot rate that buyer either bad, positive or negative. I think it's more on the disadvantage of the seller this time. I haven't tried Amazon though. I should check it soon.
@Jemina (5770)
7 Jun 08
For the buyers' side, they can rate the sellers negatively for this. But if it's the buyer's fault, the seller can't rate them negatively and it's just not fair like you said.
@callarse1 (4783)
• United States
7 Jun 08
Hello Jemina. I think the changes that eBay did are unique. For example your feedback percentage is done by the transactions that you received positive feedback in the last twelve months. And sellers can no longer leave negative feedback. That's good because some sellers reply back when they receive negative feedback. The idea of it is to provide good service and if not they'll get negative feedback. It's always good to leave a note with the item when shipped "if you're not happy I'm not happy. Please contact me before leaving negative feedback". I would imagine that would help a lot, plus some people don't pay the auction so it's not good in that way the seller can't leave negative feedbcak. Have a wonderful day. Pablo
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@Jemina (5770)
9 Jun 08
Why did ebay remove that system in the first place? Was it abused? Oh well
@callarse1 (4783)
• United States
7 Jun 08
Yes, that's too bad for the sellers. I guess they can go through the "non payment warning" through eBay and if the buyer doesn't pay then their account could get suspended from eBay. Pablo
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
4 Jun 09
This is very interesting. If a person does not pay in advance they should not receive any merchandise. There really should be no need for a seller to give negative feedback to a buyer though.
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@Jemina (5770)
4 Jun 09
You think so? But if there are bad sellers, surely there are also bad buyers or bidders.
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@Jemina (5770)
7 Jun 09
That's true. I believe eBay has a way to protect both sides of their clients--sellers and buyers. They have a way to reward and punish members according to their actions.
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
5 Jun 09
If someone wins a bid on ebay, they must first submit payment to be able to receive the item. I once had a man ask if he could send a check via regular mail. I replied that it would take much longer for him to receive his item because first the check would have to arrive and second it would have to clear the bank. It is always better for the buyer to use a card or paypal to make a purchase because they have a certain amount of protection. If a person takes too long to pay the seller can still re-list the item online. The seller can notify ebay of the problem of nonpayment and if a buyer does this often ebay can delete their account.
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@nilzerous1 (2434)
• India
8 Jun 08
It is not bad. I suppose nobody should be entitled to mark a customer as 'Good' or 'Bad'! After all why will customers visit eBay when there are so many alternative eCommerce websites offering similar services with the fear that they might be awarded with negative feedback!!!
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@Jemina (5770)
9 Jun 08
Well, if a person has not done anything wrong, how could s/he fear getting negative feedback in the first place?
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
10 Feb 09
Personally this could be an Excellent idea as there were many people tending to abuse the system there just like in here, and if people are not wanting to be Honest then why should a site like that have that feature. Now it could hurt when someone is not following up to the end of their Auction but at the same time this way no one can just rate you, etc. just because they do not like you as well.
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@Jemina (5770)
17 May 09
I know this is a late reaction but I was away from mylot for about 8 months. Anyway, you are right about people abusing the rating system. It also happens here on myLot.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
9 Jun 08
Personally I feel that it is important to be able to know the history of either party wherever possible. The last thing a seller wants to do is unknowingly deal with a buyer that has a history of non-payment or something! A buyer has this right so should the seller! All I can assume is that the ratings system was being abused?
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@Jemina (5770)
9 Jun 08
Too bad for ebay, they can't seem to come up with something that would be beneficial to both sellers and buyers.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
14 Jun 08
A few years ago I was ripped off by a woman I bought some clothes from. She ripped me off with postage so I gave her a 'neutral' said why in the comment and praised other points of the transaction. She not only gave me a negative but she went off her brain at me in her comment and warned eveyone not to deal with me. That really spoiled things for me and I have since had some other negative experiences mostly involving excess postage so now, I rarely go there. I used to really enjoy checking things out on eBay too.
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@Jemina (5770)
16 Jun 08
I know how they charge too much on postage. I was gonna buy a Chinese dress from China and I was amazed the price the bid stared with £0.23 which seemed rather ridiculous for me. But when I checked the postage cost it almost catapulted me from my chair, £18.00! So that's it. I cancelled my order.
@cassidy22 (2974)
• United States
8 Jun 08
I'm not so sure I agree with this tactic. I never give out negative feedback unwarranted on ebay, though I know many do. As a seller, one way I protected myself from buyers who were quick to hit the negative button was to NOT post my feedback until they posted theirs. One of the reasons was because I didn't know they received an item until they posted feedback. That way, also, if someone posted a negative, I had at least some power to say something. I hope that if a buyer is unhappy, they will email me, and I can follow up and make them happy. But sometimes they go right to the negative. Giving me that last say offered me some protection from that. Now I have nothing to go on. Any buyer can drop a negative and I have no last word, except to refrain from feedback at all. It puts ALL the power into the buyers hands when it comes to feedback, and I don't think it's really fair.
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@Jemina (5770)
9 Jun 08
It's really bias and I'm with the sellers' side on this one. Sometimes the highest bidder will decide not to buy the item at all.
@cdparazo (5765)
• Philippines
13 Jun 08
I really think that this is a bad idea. It would cause a lot of buyers to renege on their bid which is disadvantageous to the seller. Its a reality that there are just very bad buyers out there and I have been with ebay for sometime to really know this. However, this maybe be ebay's way of protecting the buyers and upholding the 'the customers always right' principle in customer service. Ebay is indeed trying to be more buyer friendly.
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@Jemina (5770)
13 Jun 08
I guess Ebay has something else for this. Maybe they are prepared for this sort of thing like sellers can report them--unpaying buyers--to ebay.
• United States
8 Jun 08
I think it was stupid move on the part of ebay. It makes things too one-sided. There can be problems with buyers and sellers. I think given the fact people can't deal in person for these items, all grounds should be covered to protect everyone involved. Taking away the feedback about a buyer, takes away some of the protection for a seller and for future sellers who may deal with a problem customer.
@Jemina (5770)
9 Jun 08
You're right, it is really one-sided. I have already thought about it when I first heard ebay was going to remove this system. They already have met so many protest and still went on with it. Tsk! Tsk! tsk!
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
6 Jun 08
I am getting sick of eBay with all the fees and format changes. I agree that seller's should be able to leave negative feedback. Luckily, we (my husband and I both sell off of one account) have only had 1 negative rating and that was before the change in the rating system. I think there are a lot of bad buyers out there. We had one buyer that didn't want his item insured over the amount that ups offers with the paid shipment. We shipped the item and about two weeks later there was a paypal claim, the buyer claimed the item was broken. Buyer never contacted us about it, yet there was not a return policy offerred (it was when I first started selling and didn't fill that part in). Paypal told the buyer to ship us back the item and do it with 10 days. After 10 days we contacted paypal and they closed the claim because the buyer had stopped contacting them as well. The buyer left negative feedback. We had the exact same problem with another buyer, and it ended the same way, but the buyer was contacting us before the auction was over asking us to pull the auction and let him rent the item. At the time we didn't know we could easily end the auction. Do I think it's good for sellers not to be able to leave negative feedback? NO!!! Because now buyers can leave negative feedback just because they want to, not because the transaction was bad, and there isn't anything that the seller can do to let other sellers know. Sorry just wanted to rant about eBay since you brought up the question.
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@Jemina (5770)
7 Jun 08
Sorry to hear about that, Zephyr. But that's exactly what I wanted to point out here. There are bad buyers as much as bad sellers. And if buyers can rate sellers negatively over some irresponsible shipment or whatever transactions, why can't sellers rate buyers what they deserve? I am not implying you were irresponsible here. I am more on your side as a seller who can't say anything towards irresponsible buyers.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
7 Jun 08
I know I agree and I will be leaving eBay as soon as I find a site like it just not so many stupid rules.
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@Jemina (5770)
9 Jun 08
Oh well, I seldom visit ebay and I prefer buying from Cheapcycle where things are really cheap. You can check it out.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
7 Jun 08
I've often seen sellers withhold feedback until the buyer leaves it first. If the buyer is unhappy and leaves negative feedback, then the seller retaliates and leaves negative too. If the buyer doesn't want that negative feed back it leaves them in the position of either leaving NO feedback on the seller or making up something positive. The other side of that is now sellers cannot forewarn other sellers of a buyer that does not pay or they otherwise have problems with them. The feedback system is good in theory but it's not working very well. I'm not sure blocking sellers from leaving negative or neutral feedback is the answer though.
@Jemina (5770)
9 Jun 08
You are absolutely right. The plan was good but the execution didn't turn out as expected. Well, when I first heard about it I already had thought it was not going to turn out good especially on the sellers' side.
@redfang (967)
6 Jun 08
I frequent the ebay uk forums and i've noticed a trend starting on there, since this stupid idea was put into place buyers have started placing bids for auctions but then telling the seller " sorry i no longer want the item " and the seller can do nothing about it just accept it and put in a npb, there are also buyers who are not blackmailing sellers into giving money back for goods and getting to keep the goods and they are coming out of the woodwork by the hundreds. What ebay have done is hurt the small sellers, people who maybe sell a few items from their house that they no longer want or old toys that the kids no longer want, the powersellers and business sellers will be able to take a few negs each week because 10 negs compared to 90 positives is nothing to them and if 9 of those 10 negs are fraudulent or blackmail anyway they don't care but the little sellers can not take hits like that and when ebay are suspending you for 30 days if you get too many negs and you dsr's are not great then your stuffed. I have read somewhere that someone from ebay has said they want to get rid of all the hobby sellers so that eventually they can just have business sellers on there, now to me that is the most stupidest thing that ebay could possibly do the small sellers are what made that site and if they kick them out the small sellers will also kill the site, there are other oportunities out there and other sites for sellers to go and sell on so once they are kicked off they will go elsewhere and so will the buyers. Ebay really are being run by a bunch of idiots
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@Jemina (5770)
7 Jun 08
I really feel bad for the sellers because of this new policy ebay has promulgated. And I agree with you 100% for the last sentence. LOL!
• United States
7 Jun 08
it's a bad,bad idea. i think they did that because some people were just leaving bad messages to be trolls,but that leaves no way of warning people when they do have a legitimate gripe.
@Jemina (5770)
7 Jun 08
That's what I was suspecting. I have never sold nor bought anything from ebay but at least I have an idea on the process of buying there. Your seller can't just automatically charge your paypal or any payment processor you choose. It still depends on the buyer if he/she will go on purchasing the product. And if the buyer had decided not to it will be the seller's loss.
@swirlz (3136)
• Philippines
6 Jun 08
I don't think it is fair. What if the transaction was horrible? Even if the buyer has a good reputation, there's always a possibility that he would make a bad transaction this time. And to be able to give an honest feedback is crucial for other ebay members, to notify them about certain members that they should look out for.
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@Jemina (5770)
7 Jun 08
For sure, ebay must have a valid reason to do this but on my part I'm confounded.
@schulzie (4061)
• United States
7 Jun 08
I do not think it is fair and I buy and sell on ebay. I once had 1 negative feedback from a buyer who bought from me, he took forever to send his money order to me - past the time I stated in my auction, but I left him positive feedback anyway. Well, I shipped his item, packed it securely, bought insurance and all that. It arrived broken on his end and he contacted me. I issued him a refund and he kept the item. Really all he had to do was glue the foot back on the figurine - a woman that was a planter, and then you would never even be able to tell that it had been broken. Well, he still left me negative feedback after all that. I think that buyers should definately be able to leave negative feedback if it is warranted. That has been my only negative feedback in 8 years at ebay and now with the new system I am back to 100% positive - yay!! But, yeah still we should be able to leave negative as well.
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@Jemina (5770)
7 Jun 08
Yes, I am with you Schulzie. This new policy is now on the disadvantage of the seller actually and your experience explains it all. Sorry to hear about that. Anyway, good you got back to 100% positive.
• United States
6 Jun 08
I'm not a fan of this new system, but as a family that buys more than they sell, I like that I can give sellers anegative when it's deserved, and not have to worry about a retalitory negative. I recently bought an item from a seller that claimed to ship via Priority mail and charged $5.50 for this service. The item arrive in a plain bubble-mailer, with a $1.57 postage tag on it. The seller didn't even purchase delivery confirmation. I don't think you need more than 1 guess to figure out what kind of feedback he received and it wasn't the first feedback he had claiming to be gouging the buyers on shipping. As a seller, if the buyer doesn't pay, then they'll receive a NPB and I belive it's still 3 NPB claims and you're out. If the buyer took forever to pay, then I'll either not give a feedback or if they leave me feedback, I'll leave him a negative comment with on a positive feedback- just so future sellers are warned. I really do think that Ebay had many, many sellers leaving retalitory negative feedback and this was Ebay's way of fixing the problem.
@Jemina (5770)
7 Jun 08
I see. I am a little dumbfounded on this one. I believe each--the seller and the buyer--has his own story to tell.