During remember where and what you were doing 17yrs ago?
By bellaofchaos
@bellaofchaos (11538)
United States
June 17, 2008 10:26am CST
Recently a man was convicted of a murder that was done 17yrs ago on one testimony they had no physical eveidence to tie him to the murder and the police 17yrs ago threw away this guys testimony becuase it took the guy over 3 calls to try and pin down the time he called the store 17 yrs later he say now he remembers perfectly. I doubt that, I couldn't even remember what I was doing 17yr ago at first time I answered it I said work then realized I was only 13 yrs old.. LOL!! I couldn't place what activity I did on that day. So do you remember to a tea what you did 7yr ago? And do you think that it's realistic to convict a man of murder on what someone couldn't pin down on the day it happened and then suddenly remembered quite clearly after 17yrs of living in the small town with the family that felt he did it but had no proof?
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
24 Jun 08
I can remember what I was doing 17 years ago. The bookstore I was working at was about to be sold. I was driving a Nissan Exa turbo and everything was pretty good. Of course, I can't remember specific days and certainly not phone calls I made or received.
@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
24 Jun 08
my point exactly if he couldn't remember correctly on the day then why would you even convict a man on this guys testimony ... I just think the town wanted blood they weren't sequestered and there are a lot of other things that I think went wrong.
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@skinnychick (6905)
• United States
21 Jun 08
17 years ago sheesh...What was I doing? I totally remember...I was kidless, partying and working in bars, I became friends with musicman man that many years ago, I was dancing alot and I had a hot mofo guy. Life was loads of fun and not much worry back then. Aaahhh the good old days.
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
21 Jun 08
Tell me about it the good old days. LOL!!!! Can we go back?
@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
23 Jun 08
I wish I was back to my younger years but then again I never really was that much of a party girl I was all responsibility and nothing more. LOL!!!
@skinnychick (6905)
• United States
21 Jun 08
What do you want to know??? LOL I was a party girl in the very best way! Good times!
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@mummymo (23706)
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17 Jun 08
It took me a few minutes to even figure out where I worked 17 years ago - I was a lot older than 13 - never mind exactly what I was doing! I have to say I find it hard to believe that someone who couldn't remember so soon after the thing happened can now definitely remember it now and that the court would take his word for it! Shocking! xxx
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
19 Jun 08
Thanks hun I'm just really tired and can't seem to get good sleep.. I'm with you though if I knew that happened here I just wouldn't be able to bear the guilt.
@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
17 Jun 08
17years ago? Are you kidding me? I can't even remember what I said or did 17 minutes ago! LOL
If I didn't keep every piece of paper that came into my life or have a filing system I wouldn't even remember my own name address or phone number..............!
To claim perfect recall 17 years later is a stretch of the imagination, and who knows who this man has been talking to that convinced him of his 'found' memories. The mind is a strange and wonderful thing though. My mother tells me in another couple of years (because I'm getting so old you know!lol) that I'll be able to remember my childhood more clearly than my present. She better hope not though, because she and I still have major issues to resolve and she really really shouldn't wish for me to remember the details! LOL
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
17 Jun 08
Yeah I was kind of miffed at this and you know what they didn't even sequester the jury. They said that they were a hung jury before they left for the weekend and then they came back and guess what no longer a hung jury. And the trial was held in the same small town with the family calling for blood.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
17 Jun 08
I've been a lot of fish lately, which they tell is brain food - don't see any improvement yet though! So careful P1ke or I might have to start on YOU! LOL
Bella, I enjoyed our convo on the phone today about this. As I said, we can only hope that an Appeal in the Supreme Court shows up the faults of the investigation and the conviction gets over turned.
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@nicholejade (2430)
• Canada
17 Jun 08
I actually do remember what I was doing 17 years ago. Well at least half of that year anyway. I was 8 years old and I was hit by a car. I broke both legs and did alot of damage to the hips and pelvis. So for 6 months I got to stay in the hospital for because I couldn't move. And for the last part of that year I did extensive physio thearpy.
However in this circumstance I don't beleive that a person could remember someone so clearly now if they couldn't remember it 17 years ago.
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
Yep that is if you were unpopular in a small town LOL!! But no your absolutely right it can be a very bad thing to live in a small town becuase of how they can just supplement there own judicial system as they have seem to here.
@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
my point exactly I think this was a small town justice and that this opens up the legal system to continue to do things like this and innocents can end up in jail.
@nicholejade (2430)
• Canada
18 Jun 08
Small town justice systems are far worse than big city justice systems. Alot of people have totally been screwed many times over because of living in a smaller town.
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
17 Jun 08
hmm june.. 17 years ago. i had just moved back in my hometown, with a man who would later turn into a psycho stalker and try to kill me. do i remember it clearly? yes.. but then i have a memory like a steel trap and even recall with clarity as far back as being in diapers in my crib, so i dont really count in the category of the "average" human memory.
do i think that nearly 2 decades of time passed that someones recollection of events be the ONLY evidence used to decide a mans life? hell no.
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
Yet it happened and what does this do to our legal system if this is allowed to go on and happen.Especially when the guys memory was shoddy that day. He called the police back 3 different times .. There was no physical eveidence and there was no murder weapon found. how can they do this. And the police at the time never canvased the area and they just all around screwed up this case by not following all the leads.
@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
i do to his two daughter were young at the time 4 and I can't remember the other ones age but got up and testified that her dad was sleeping on the couch and the neighbor who was coming home saw his vehicle in his mothers driveway at the time of the murder. so come on. how can you convict this guy.
@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
17 Jun 08
If the day was a remarkable day I would remember what I did... but I could not give you an hour by hour run down, but I could tell you what the day held as a whole.
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
See thta is what I'm talking about you can remember maybe the jest of what you did but not every detail and what makes it more compelling is this guy couldn't even remember what the time frame was the day it happened he kept calling back and telling the police some different time. The bad thing is the company is no longer in business that he worked for there impossible to get the phone records for it to show a distinct time..
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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17 Jun 08
I think that unless there is incontrovertible evidence Bella, then the conviction is unsafe. I can't remember what I did 17 minutes ago let alone years. My BIL though has a perfect memory for these things. He can recall events and dates from right back into his childhood (he's 52 now). He'd remember 17 years ago I am sure. Of course, who could prove him otherwise. None of us can recall that far back.
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
Yeah but they shouldn't have been they should have taken this guys civil rights into consideration. I hope that the jury that thought this would be the quick and easy way out have to deal with the same thing happening to them and they lose everything when they don't deserve it. Am I bitter about this a little becuase I feel that it makes us as a society go back a few notches ok a million notches. LOL!!!
@gemini_rose (16264)
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17 Jun 08
I know what you are saying, but I can remember what I was doing this time 17 years ago because it was at a period of my life where emotional things were happening and everything was going wrong.
I think that when there is a certain thing that happens at a certain time in a life then it it easier to remember events from that time. However if you were to give me a specific date etc, then I may have to refer to a diary to see what it was I was doing exactly!
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
That's true when a tragdey happens your more appt to remember not saying that you can remember every single detail but this guy couldn't even remember the day that it happened he had changed the times he called like 3 or more times. So I really wouldn't believe 17yrs later that he'd remember if you know what I mean. If you can't remember when it happened how are you able to remember 17yrs after the fact.
@travibabiesgirl (1690)
• United States
18 Jun 08
There is no way that I could remember to a t what I did even five years ago little lone seventeen years ago. I do not think it is right for them to convict a man on something that someone else suddenly remembers years after the fact especially if they could not remember it right after it happened. Sounds like a set up to me.
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
A small town that wanted to close this case no matter what is what it comes down to me.
@risris24 (712)
• United States
28 Jun 08
17 years ago I just finished 7th grade and was enjoying my summer before starting the 8th grade, while also researching and visiting highschools to decide where I would apply and be attending the following year. Boy that was a long time ago, thinking about how I finished highschool, went to college, got a degree and have been working a full time job in the same place for 11 years now. Time flies when you're having fun.
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@gypsy_owl (88)
• United States
18 Jun 08
honestly i gotta say that "witness" is probably full of crap.... if he couldnt rember it on the day he isnt going to 17 years later unless he had major amnesia that JUST went away or something
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
17 yrs later he wants to be the hero and say he remembers it clearly and he was just recently in an accident that put him in a wheel chair. so the pity vote goes with him too.Grrr this really gets my goat.
@lamcouz (101)
• Australia
18 Jun 08
17 years ago??? Really a good long time for person to reminsice over something. 17 years ago was the time i went to kindergarden. The vivid impression of me being in that kindergarden firstly was, i was sitting there, and my mother was leaving with her last glance at me sitting comfortably on my seat. Then i remembered i was given a picture of a cow, and we were asked to paint the cow. Due to the flow of my creativity, i painted the cow with all the color pencils i had got, and it became an effectively rainbow cow. Having said that, i think that was really creative and fun, instead of sticking to just painting boring brown color on the cow. I guess I may have some extraordinary talent in drawing, right?
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
Yep your right there. LOL!! I just wish that people would take to the time to think before they act. I also think IMO that the jury was tampered with. But that is a little harder to prove don't you think.
@startstop123 (435)
• India
18 Jun 08
17 years old is when I was 2 years old. I crawl here and there and used to play games. I don't remember at that age but I still have my Videos of my childhood.
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
Nice. That would be good to help you remember what ya did 17yr ago. LOL!!!
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
28 Jun 08
Guess what? I CAN remember what I was doing 17 years ago. LOL Yup, I was working AND planning my wedding!! lol I couldn't tell you what I was doing to the day, heck no, but I can give you a round about and it certainly isn't murder!! LOL
@Deea48 (1166)
• United States
17 Jun 08
I am sitting here trying to remember just what I was doing 17 years ago, hmmmm.... not having much luck at it either. All I do know is my children were small then. I was very busy with 3 young kids and working to much as always lol.
Was it some sort of surpressed memorie. I have heard of that before, not sure if I believe it though. I find it will be hard to prove on just that don't you think?
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
they have already convicted him on it and no it wasn't a supressed memory I feel that this was small town justice. They didn't even sequester the jury for this. And it was done in the small town where the family knows everyone I have a hard time that after 17yrs of seeing the family in pain that there was anyone in that town that should have been on the jury also they went for deliberation and the where a hung jury went home for the weekend and made up their mind to convict. on just a testimony of one guy who couldn't get the right information the first three times he called the police when this happened. Now 17yrs later they have no physical evidence not even the murder weapon and they convict him on what someone couldn't clearly remember when it happened and they have no phone records for the company to verify the time since the company is now longer in business. plus there were other leads the police didn't look into they railroaded this poor guy.
@Elixiress (3878)
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17 Jun 08
I think it is silly how he can remember what he did 17 years ago, but 17 years ago he could not remember what he did a few days before. Well 17 years ago, I was 9 months old, so I was probably sleeping, drinking milk, crying, pooing and weeing and that would be about it to be fair. I was not an exciting baby :P
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@bellaofchaos (11538)
• United States
18 Jun 08
yep personally I couldn't convict a man on something that flimsy. Sorry but I wouldn't be able to deal with my concouis.
