Definition of LIberal Irony
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
June 17, 2008 9:57pm CST
That the Liberals of the United States of America consider FDR one of our greatest presidents, yet they protest almost every project done by the people of his work programs.
What would liberals do if the president started a program where unemployed workers built dams and reservoirs, logging and firebreak roads, thousands of camps, telephone and power poles, throughout the forests of the US.
The Tennessee Valley Authority alone would cause massive protests today.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 Jun 08
Better yet, let's update FDR's concept for today. Those unemployed would be drilling for oil! They could do this offshore, in national parks, building a shale oil processing facility, building a refinery or two and looking where ever there might be oil. Yes, I have to agree. Liberals today do not want to see FDR's ideas implamented
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@TCampbell (180)
• United States
19 Jun 08
Just a bleeding heart liberal here and yes I would support FDR's ideas today. The process for drilling oil has changed greatly over the years, it's safer and cleaner with less impact on the environment.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
19 Jun 08
Glad to hear it. Now, go out and convince your friends. We need the oil. :-)

@robehren (86)
• United States
18 Jun 08
Quite honestly I don't really even think the liberal party in its current incarnation know what they stand for. They are a patchwork collection of special interest groups. They cater to which ever wacko cause is making the news. They have sought relentlessly to divide this nation by racial and ethnic lines with politically correct titles and then preached about unity. They have driven a wedge into our communities with the hammer of class envy and preached about equality. The liberals of this modern era scarcely resemble the liberal of old. They are a group not without a cause, but with every fringe cause that they can dig from under the extremist fringe rocks. They don't need a cause, they need a clue. They need to anchor themselves to reality and understand that they have become so elitist in their thinking that they have completely lost touch with the rest of humanity.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
18 Jun 08
Let us take this a step futher the imprisonment of the Japenesse Americans. Oh how we forget about that one little issue. We are giving about two hundred foreigners Constitutional right, but FDR took away the Constitutional rights of hundreds of thousand Americans. We have American today protesting Club Gitmo, but where were the protest of those camp back in the good ol day of FDR. Wait just one minute I think I remember someone saying the reason we imprisoned those Americans was because we were in a war. Are we not in a war now? As to the Tennessee Valley Authority if that was going today the enviromential would be in full riot mode. Well as long as this new Tennessee Valley Authority was proposed by a Republican. A Democrat could not do anything to harm the enviroment, do not you know that ParaTed?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Jun 08
Right, Democrats only want to kill people, not the environment.
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@clrumfelt (5597)
• Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
18 Jun 08
I think the powerful enviromentalist lobby would protest so loudly they would stop all of these types of constructive programs in their tracks. Logging and building roads?....save the trees, dams and reservoirs?......save the snail darter, telephone and power poles....don't poison our environment with electricity, you get the picture. That's probably one of the main obstacles to the prevent the liberals from embracing them.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Jun 08
I notice that they want THEIR electricity though!
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@jerzgirl (9384)
• United States
18 Jun 08
I am also more to the left than the right and I think the works projects were a great idea. They weren't forced on people, but gave people employment and new skills they could take with them later, as well as a sense of accomplishment and self-respect, while at the same time accomplishing things needed to be done with the country's infrastructure. We should do it again to rebuild our crumbling highways, but unions and bidding requirements would never allow it in today's world. It's a pity - it brought a lot of hard-working people out of poverty and into a middle-class lifestyle. We could use something that promising again.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Jun 08
Actually, one of the requirements of the CCC was that the workers wouldn't learn any new skills. It was a demand of the labor unions of the time who were afraid that so many skilled workers would cause undo competition to the trade union members.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Jun 08
Thanks for the info. So the "no skill training" thing ended up being just another promise by FDR that he couldn't keep. figures.
I agree, it is sad that welfare became just hand outs after the CCC. There should be a requirements for welfare recipients to work (according to their abilities) for their benefits.
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@jerzgirl (9384)
• United States
18 Jun 08
According to the FDR website, the CCC not only provided free room and board, but trained the people to do the work for $1/day. Wasn't a lot of money, but with the free room and board, and the then lower cost of living, it provided a means of self-support and a regaining of self-esteem. http://www.fdrheritage.org/new_deal.htm
Although the CCC was initially opposed by organized labor, it did train workers to do the jobs it was setting out to accomplish. It disbanded in 1942 when funds were ceased by the 77th Congress and the country's focus was on war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
Although Roosevelt did promise that no training would take place that would compete with unionized labor over the few jobs at that time, "the enrollees could, if they wanted, attend evening classes at different educational levels to study subjects ranging from college-level U.S. history and civics classes to basic literacy. Skilled courses such as motor repair, cooking, and baking were also taught, and LEMs took apprentices in forestry and soil conservation."
I think it's a shame those expectations and provisions ceased to exist in the welfare programs that followed.

@TCampbell (180)
• United States
18 Jun 08
Well, I am one of the Liberals of the United States of America and I have never protested any of the work programs that were put into place by FDR. On the contrary as the CCC and many other of his programs put unemployed young men to work in the 1930's. I also grew up on the Virgina-Tennessee state line so I realize just how important the TVA is to the area. Actually, most of the liberals I know fully support FDR and his programs, with the exception of the Japanese Internment camps.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Jun 08
I meant if they were being done today.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
19 Jun 08
Got to speak up here...another Independent Liberal here. I think all to often "Liberal" is painted with a very thin brush and it is all to often covered with tar and the bag of feathers is just around the corner. There are many of us "bleeding heart liberals" who actually have some common sense!
Work programs are great. This is especially true where we have an imbalance in our economy and a need to help families start to turn their lives right side up again. My personal preference would be to tell the Unions to F'off. They are doing the economy no good nor are they serving their members at this time.
Welfare is undermining the viability and capabilities of this nation and its members. A better solution would be work for pay solution would make better sense. Of course we need to insure that children are cared for, of course we need to insure that children are fed and inocculated. Of course we need to insure that children are educated. What we should not do, ever, is simply hand over checks to physically capable adults.
Yes we need to rethink our position on oil drilling. Yes we need to rethink our position on building a new refinery or two. What we cannot do, ever is simply destroy our ecology in the process. We cannot hand down to our children a descimated land. What we cannot and should not do is hand the land leases to the current crop of the big gas companies without consideration. I also strongly believe that the current leases that are not being drilled should be, it is vital that before we start expanding we play out what we have available.
Not all "Liberals" align with the out of left field save the trees and save the owls at the expense humans, homes, jobs, and the economy.







