SLANDER or ASTUTE ANALYSIS ?

United States
June 20, 2008 9:13am CST
Yes, it is true. I could use people's help in understanding this article about Obama. http://www.focalpointusa.org/iwillstandwithmuslims.html The title is, "I will stand with the Muslims." The author uses this to imply Obama is pro Muslim. Actually, this is not fair to Obama (and I'm no fan of Obama!). It is a statement taken out of context. Obama was saying, IMHO, that if there ever should arise a movement of mass discrimination or denying of rights to Muslims, just because they are Muslims, he would stand with the Muslims to oppose the injustice. Good for him. So, would I. However, some other parts of the linked article ring true. So, which do you think this article is? Slander or Astute Analysis?
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@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
20 Jun 08
I consider it to be astute analysis. As far as anyone denying rights to Muslims, it should be remembered that Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less then Muslims, and have no rights. That sentence could mean exactly what it says. I think this article ties a lot of things together about Obama, as do the many other articles I have seen about him.
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• United States
20 Jun 08
All things considered, having read quite a bit about Obama, I do believe him to be untrustworthy and deceitful. However, I am still in doubt about the "I will stand with Muslims" remark. If you are right, surely this will sink his candidacy. Please, attribute my optimism to the "Audacity of Hope".
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• United States
21 Jun 08
**if there ever should arise a movement of mass discrimination or denying of rights to Muslims, just because they are Muslims, he would stand with the Muslims to oppose the injustice.** Oh Please...two Muslimahs (Muslim women) were taken out of his photo. They would not allow them to be in the photo. He was right there when they were refused. He loves to talk. He loves to apologize. He hits you with his actions or words and then says, sorry! Over and over. He loves one group if it helps him. Then he loves another, if it helps him. Then he hurts this group, if it helps him...and then he will apologize.
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• United States
21 Jun 08
You have accurately pointed out that actions speak louder than words. Imagine it. Two Muslim women want to stand with Obama, but Obama, fearing popular dislike of Muslims, refuses to stand with the Muslims. He did prove himself a 'typical politician'.
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• United States
21 Jun 08
And yet he said he would stand with the Muslims. How quickly he forgets. And the Muslims are not so quick to stand with him now. It's all for one and one for all. They are not going to let this go down. My Muslim husband who knows how I feel about Obama and his Rev. Wright, etc, etc. He said forget about that racism stuff and look at other issues (honey, do you mean the Born Alive Bill where Obama is the only one that senator who thinks we should kill babies born alive during an abortion?). Then we were watching CNN. He saw first hand how the Muslim women were treated. He quickly changed his mind! My husband can relate now.
@fiona08 (454)
• United States
21 Jun 08
The women were removed by campaign volunteers, while Obama was NOT near them. The women themselves, said he was not there. It was ludicrous to tell them they could not sit there. Obama should make it clear to everyone on his staff that bigotry, and discrimination will not be tolerated for any reason. Even if he has to put up with people who would try to use it against him, if the women had been seen on camera. It was wrong! But, that being said, many of you here berating Obama, for this, would be the same ones here saying he had secret Muslim terrorist ties. You love to criticize Obama, whatever that takes.
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• United States
21 Jun 08
Yeah, he really "stood" with the two Muslim women he had taken out from behind him when he made that speech didn't he? And now he's all sorry about it. I have a feeling that move might have lost him some Muslim votes. I have to agree though that the article is unfair.
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• United States
21 Jun 08
Well, I guess I only half heard that story right, sorry about that. I guess the women wanted to have their picture taken with him. That's even worse if you ask me. Why in the heck would he not want his picture taken with them?
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• United States
22 Jun 08
The story is extremely confusing. Other Muslims don't believe he really converted and support him or feel that since he lived in a Muslim country, he would be great at understanding their culture. Muslims either hate or love Obama. They are both kinds. I don't know what their ratio to one another is.
@clrumfelt (5452)
• United States
21 Jun 08
I tend to interpret the article in the way I think "should the winds toward Muslims shift in an ugly direction, I will stand with them." as meaning he will stand with Muslims rather than others. Why would the winds shift without a catalyst (e.g. them trying to blow up the US or Israel.) The comment is disturbing to me, knowing that he already stood up for Muslims after the attack on 9/11. Not all Muslims were guilty of 9/11 but the fact that he would stand with them to the exclusion of so many others whose relatives and friends were buried under the rubble is disconcerting. I think his ties to Louis Farakhan led him in that direction at the time and will continue to do so. That being said, I think he is wrong for America. Muslims deserve rights, but not more rights than others.
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• United States
21 Jun 08
Obama's ties to Farahkan and Rev. Wright (former Muslim) in addition to his own Muslim birth do muddy the water as to how one is to interpret "Stand with the Muslims." It is possible Obama purposedly chose this phrase because it would be confusing. Yes, it is true. Politicians do chose words and phrases that can be misconstrued and twisted as suits their purpose. It's a part of their job. While I do think Obama had the right meaning when he used this phrase "Stand with the Muslims." I do not scoff at the notion it was a coded message to Muslims. People need to understand that ALL politicians are this sneaky, underhanded, cunningly clever and two faced. Given the history of politicans in general, it will be some time before we know Obama's true intent.
• India
21 Jun 08
Yeah i agree with you, his cause is okay to stand for. But i have said it before and say it again, may be he is lying, well who can blame him? all is done for power! But if he is, he would be the target of extreme islam too.Well i donno much about politics, but as ur my freind, i respond to your discussions.
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• United States
21 Jun 08
Thank you very much. As to the politics, I think in general we all know what is important. Polticians all will say anything or do anything to get elected. All around the world it is the same. That's about all there is to it.
@fiona08 (454)
• United States
21 Jun 08
This is not an analysis by an unbiased journalist. This is not even a real article. This is another example of sh*t you can find on the internet, that people will pretend is news. You don't believe this is a credible piece of journalism anymore than I do, r,y,bdog. Your little troupe of followers, of course will tell you, and have told you it is an astute analysis. Just keep pedaling the crap, you guys, if you have nothing better to do with your time.
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• United States
21 Jun 08
Frank honest discussion such as yours is rare. If more people could be that way and deal with it, this would be a better world. I certainly agree with you that some parts of the linked article are sh*t. However, I think some parts are not. The problem then is that the parts of the article that are sh*t completely discredit anything else the author might say. So, the whole article becomes sh*t even if parts of it are pretty good. Thank you for your honesty and frankness. I hope you respond in my threads in the future.
@jerzgirl (8168)
• Gloucester City, New Jersey
21 Jun 08
The original of that sentence didn't even have the word "Muslims" in it - it says "them". Although he was speaking of Arabs and Muslims who were citizens fearing retribution after 9/11, he also reminded us of the roundup of the Japanese after Pearl Harbor - none of them was a participant in that attack, but most lost everything simply because of their heritage. He didn't want that to happen again - besides, not all Arabs are Muslim. Many Lebanese are Christian (doesn't anyone remember Danny Thomas??), but anyone from that region was lumped together with the rest. Again, doesn't anyone remember the Indian Sikhs being shot at gas stations simply because their religion wears turbans? They are neither Arab nor Muslim. So, he was saying we shouldn't fall into that mindset again - we had already hopefully learned from the first time. If we can't live up to the standards we promote, how can we expect others to find them desirable?
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• United States
21 Jun 08
You are exactly right.
@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
21 Jun 08
I always say, look at the source first. In this case read some of this writers other "informative" writing and then determine where he stands. Astute? No I don't think so. Slander, bordering on it.
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• United States
21 Jun 08
The 'spin' the author put on the "I will stand with the Muslims" quote does border on slander if delibrately pretending to misunderstand someone's meaning is slander.
@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
20 Jun 08
Squeamish Marxist Democrats avert your eyes. I am about to swat you on the nose with a rolled-up Che Guevara poster. Boy if that is not astute analysis I do not know what astute analysis is! I like how they decided drop the Hussein name in there four times that I can count. I really do not care if cry baby Baracky Husseiny Obamoronic and his worshipers think about it, I liked it. True I have heard all of this once or twice. True something like this will probably do nothing to change anyones mind on Baracky Husseiny Obamoronic. Either you want him to be your master or you want to drop him into a ocean(does not matter which one). I hope that in the future someone will change their mind(Yeah Obama I can work change, future, and hope into a sentence too).
• United States
21 Jun 08
As political satire written for true believers the linked article is hilarious. However, I did have a problem with the twisting of the meaning of "I will stand with the Muslims" remark. I don't want Obama elected, but I want him defeated with the truth, not spin.
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