Could you really

@p1kef1sh (45638)
June 23, 2008 6:21am CST
Over the months I have read a number of discussions that suggest that the death penalty is appropriate for serious crime. That male child abusers be castrated etc. In some Muslim countries thieves have their hands chopped off and I am sure that there are many more gruesome punishments in the World too. However, whilst many of us agree with some of these things in principal, could we do it for real? Could you execute someone yourself. Castrate the abuser or other wise physically harm another human, even if their own crimes are abhorrent and heinous. Let's assume that the culprit is guilty and their crime is evidenced 100%. Could you do it? If the person to be punished is female would that make any difference? With your own hands could you push the switch, or deliver the injection or pull the trapdoor? Flex the knife etc.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18118)
• United States
24 Jun 08
I couldn't bring myself to harm someone, to take a life...Unless something bad happened to someone I loved or a friend then I would muddle it over and possibly get worked up over it and then have the courage to do it through anger only but soon after I would have regrets and possbily alot of emotion problems from doing it, so I would rather not and just let someone else do it.
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@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
I know that I couldn't do it. I would see myself sinking to their level.
@mtdewgurl74 (18118)
• United States
24 Jun 08
Just thank godness it isn't and eye for an eye anymore like the old days or be dragged to a tree to be strung up and hanged..I know I know to many westerns..lol gotta love Clint Eastwood though he always makes it seem much more exciting then it truly was.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
I think that some of the summary justice of the frontier people must have been absolutely terrifying. It literally was a case of being hanged for a sheep.
@TessWhite (3147)
• United States
24 Jun 08
I doubt any of us truly know what we would be capable of in such a circumstance. For me it would be harder to actually follow thru if the victim wasn't someone I knew. However, if someone harmed my child or other loved one, then yes I'd have no problem dealing with them. My son knew from an early age that if anyone did him serious harm that I (or his father) would take care of that person - permanently. But I do believe in punishment. How many times have we let someone out of prison after they have served their time, only to have them do the same crime or worse over again? I say enough, go back to the old ways and toss a rope over a tree.
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@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
I couldn't do it myself Tess and wouldn't ask anyone to do it in my name. I too would have those feelings of vengeance should one of my loved ones be harmed, but I know that even then I couldn't push to button or whatever. As for hanging them over the branch of a tree. How many miscarriages of justice were carried out that way I wonder. What if it were one of mine that was hanged even though they didn't do the crime. I could never endorse such a thing for that reason alone, never mind the barbarity. let's hope that we never have to find out. Thanks Tess.
@teison2 (5924)
• Norway
24 Jun 08
I am not pro these kinds of punishment. I would never execute them either. To me this is pure revenge. I have no more the right to harm others than the criminals in question do. These punishments make a barbaric society, and I am glad I do not live in a country that performs them. They make us just as bad as the ciminal in my mind. It is not in keeping with human rights and makes the huan dignity less and less. People that are for these punishments scare me. Countries that do scare me even more.
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@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
Revenge is not a basis for justice in my mind. I could not do these things and don't wish my country to do it in my name either. Thanks Teison.
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@paroloza (140)
• United States
24 Jun 08
I agree completlely with you and am very relieved to find more people thinking like this. I almost feared to read some of those bloodthirsty comments that use to come up now and then. But, thanks God, our society is changing.
@weemam (13377)
24 Jun 08
At first I was going to say no I couldn't do that , then I thought about it and YES if that person had done something horrendous to someone I loved then I COULD , but only in those circumstances pal xx
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@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
You're braver than me Weemam. I just know that I couldn't.
@paroloza (140)
• United States
24 Jun 08
I don't think that bravery has anything to do with it. This is a question of principles. Human life must be inviolable, no matter the circunstances. Or, as you said, where is the difference between the wrongdoers and us? Does it make a difference whether some terrible thing happens to us or to somebody at the other side of the world?
@nannacroc (4049)
23 Jun 08
I don't think I could harm another person whatever they had done. Having said that, if it had been a member of my family who had been the victim, it ma make a difference.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
23 Jun 08
I just couldn't do it Nanna. Even if it were a family member that had been killed or hurt. I would feel that I had sunk to their level.
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@nannacroc (4049)
23 Jun 08
I have to agree with you and I don't think I could hurt another person.
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@Hatley (164237)
• Garden Grove, California
23 Jun 08
pikefish I could not even say yes pull the plug on my dear husband when the doctors asked me, as I did not want to be the one who litterally was killing him. I asked his sister what to do that fateful day and she advised waiting at least til the next day. God took him home that same afternoon. So could I be the one to kill a criminal, no matter how heineous their 'crime. I hope people do not hate me for this but no I could not do it, put them in prison for life but dont make me kill them.Let God decide their fate not me.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
23 Jun 08
I can appreciate your feelings Hatley. That must have been such a hard decision for you. I could not kill or maim anyone no matter their crime. Thank you do much for sharing that with us.
@paroloza (140)
• United States
23 Jun 08
Neither do it nor vote for having it done. Human justice must focus on two things: to prevent evil being done and to restore the perpetrator to human society. Let's give every attention to a better and more "humanizing" system of prison and rehabilitation, also for those who will have to spend the rest of their life there. Everything else must be called revenge and must be relegated to a more primitive time of humanity. The Bible itself shows us the difference between the Old Testament law of retaliation and the New Testament ethic of pardon and forgiveness.
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@p1kef1sh (45638)
23 Jun 08
I agree with that view. Thank you.
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• Indonesia
23 Jun 08
I think i could do it,.. because i believe there are people who are very inappropriate to live. And it also impacts to other bandits, it will attract attention to many people so that they won't do any serious crime. And also it costs more economically than put them in jail..
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@p1kef1sh (45638)
23 Jun 08
Not me. I know that I couldn't do it. I can kill animals to eat, but not people, whatever their crime. Welcome to myLot.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36468)
• United States
24 Jun 08
if someone had abused my children when they were small or if someone was to abuse my grandchildre i'd chop their heads off if i could. no child deserves that & i think they should be punisj\hed in any extreme way u can imagine. could i do it. yes, ma'am or yes sir whichever u are.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
Sir and thank you for your response. Personally I couldn't, even if it were one of my loved ones.
@ANTIQUELADY (36468)
• United States
24 Jun 08
i guess that sounded real cold-hearted but that's just the way i feel. glad you aren't such a mean person like me.lol
@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
I completely understand why you would feel that way. I don't think that you are mean in the least.
• United States
24 Jun 08
In a perfect world, I would like all murderers to be locked up forever. No TV, no newspapers, no magazines, no visitors, no chances for an education in prison, no interviews, no chance of seeing daylight ever again. Too bad it is not a perfect world. In this world, innocent people are convicted of murder. The fact that innocents are convicted should bother everyone. It could be you, it could be me. But, for the convicted who are obviously guilty, then yes, I could end their lives. I could pull the switch, turn on the gas, or give them an injection. It would not bother me one little bit. What bothers me is our justice system. We allow murderers to be paroled, child molesters to be paroled - and we know that they will do it again. I believe in a fair and unbiased justice system, but we go way over the line with that. We allow them to live out their lives outside the cell, when at the least they should be serving life without the possibility of parole. It seems we bend over backwards to serve the guilty, while the victims have no justice. While this is true, then give me switch. I'm ready to serve.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
Revenge is a dish best served cold eh?
• United States
24 Jun 08
I don't think I said anything about revenge. Perhaps you are confused about the meanings of revenge and justice? Serving either cold is not in my vocabulary. If we are speaking of justice, justice should be served immediately. No ten to twenty years of appeals. I would only feel vengeful if I were directly involved. Since, thank goodness, I haven't been, I have no feelings of revenge. I do have a quick sense of justice, though. What kind of world would it be if there wasn't justice?
@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
My line about revenge is a well known quote most commonly associated with The Godfather film. But it actually dates from the 17th century. I broadly agree with you. But I could not execute someone myself nor ask someone else to do it on my behalf. That said, I think that I would have approved the execution of Hitler and his henchmen. I do see the desire to execute people as revenge and not generally justice. Taking another life does not seem to me to be a way to live in a civilised world. We are reducing ourselves to the same level, we just do it with a mandate from the "people". That's probably why most of the Western World doesn't do it any longer. However, I do support incarceration for life, and I do think that criminals forfeit normal rights whilst they are there. Thanks for the debate. I have enjoyed that.
@bieke81 (1067)
• Belgium
25 Jun 08
If it would be someone that had really hurt my family or kids, yes, I would. I would even ask if I could do it, to make sure that person could never hurt another human being anymore.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
25 Jun 08
I have thought hard about this but I really don't think that I could press the witch or whatever. Even if it was one of my own that had been harmed. Thank you though. We're all different.
@bieke81 (1067)
• Belgium
25 Jun 08
It's true, we really are different, and that's a good thing. I hope I never will be in the situation I described, so that I never need to make that choice, but I know I will if I need to. Just like you will find a way in those kind of situations to deal with the circumstances and your choices. It's our right to choice and that makes us all interesting.
• United States
24 Jun 08
Yes, I believe I could. Almost all of the women in my family were molested by one man. It took some of us 30 years to get past it. Some have gaps in their memory that they will never regain. When someone like this is allowed to live, they rarely change. And so what if they do? Do they actually deserve another chance? Deserve it based on what? All they do is make more victims who have to find some way to live with it and find ways to trust again and have normal adult relationships later in life without those nightmares, night terrors, fears, and everything else that goes with healing. I can say yes because I keep my mind focused on what problems the next victim will have if that pervert is allowed to live. NOt angry with you - just vehement about the topic. If you've worked in law, one gets to see this type of stuff way too much.
@focjop20 (233)
• Puerto Rico
24 Jun 08
There are specialists for everything one needs, was wrong with them doing it. They get pay for it, now you want to lay them off.
@focjop20 (233)
• Puerto Rico
24 Jun 08
If the crime fit the penalty and it's proven beyong any problem, o well so be it. But if any proven charge is not completly verified, can't be wrong to execuete any one. That were the Lord become the Judge.
@balasri (26549)
• India
24 Jun 08
I may who knows if the culprit has done some great harm to my dearest one and leers on my face without any remorse.Certain things have to be experienced personally whether those can be done by us or not.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
24 Jun 08
No Bala. I couldn't do it even if my own loved ones had been killed or harmed. I don't have that right. It reduces me to the same level as the crime's perpetrator.
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@balasri (26549)
• India
25 Jun 08
I can understand and appreciate your stand friend. Well I just said how I would feel in a situation like that.
@lazeebee (5466)
• Malaysia
23 Jun 08
Especially those who commit crime against children, I don't think I would hesitate to pull the switch or flex the knife. However, first of all, we have to be 100% sure that we have got the right culprit; wouldn't want to hang an innocent man/woman. I don't believe that these people cannot be reformed or rehabilitated; keeping them in prisons is just a waste of taxpayers' money. Plus the additional risk of the system setting them free to harm more children.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
23 Jun 08
I know that I couldn't. Whilst I agree that they remain a threat to society, doesn't killing or maiming them reduce us the their level?
@lazeebee (5466)
• Malaysia
24 Jun 08
I see your point. However unless it is guaranteed that these people are locked up in tight security and never be released again into society. Else there is always the risk of children being harmed by them again.
@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
23 Jun 08
It may not have been intentional, and it was while she was being attacked herself, but my roommate did castrate the man who attempted to attack and rape her. He had previously raped 4 other women, but he isn't going to rape anymore.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
23 Jun 08
That's incredible. She was very brave and as you say, he won't do it again. But it wasn't done in cold blood after due legal process. I couldn't do it myself.
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@ElicBxn (61063)
• United States
23 Jun 08
Actually, she doesn't even remember doing it. The last thing she remembered is an arm going around her neck, the next thing was him laying on the ground crying. She went and called the police.
• United States
29 Jun 08
That's a good question. I hate dishing out punishment ...even to my own children. I hate for them to be punished. i much rather having them enjoying their lives. So, generally speaking, I probably would not be able to do it. But, I guess that's why we are all made different. Right? If a convict has harmed someone i dearly love, I'm sure it would be a lot easier.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
29 Jun 08
I couldn't do it myself and I wouldn't ask someone else to do it for me. Thank you for responding.
@SViswan (12071)
• India
27 Jun 08
Though I feel the kind of people need to be punished...I don't think I could be the one giving out the punishment. I wouldn't be able to do it....be it male or female. Even if all I had to do was push the switch, I don't think I would be able to do it.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
28 Jun 08
I couldn't either.
@suehan1 (4355)
• Australia
25 Jun 08
i don't think i could personally do it.as someone else said it would haunt me.i know at times when i have read a story where children have been murdered etc,i have said i would like to pull the switch on that person,but in reality i couldn't.cheers sue
@p1kef1sh (45638)
25 Jun 08
Neither could I Sue.
@cortney09 (1346)
• United States
25 Jun 08
I think that I could probably do it, if it was my job. I wouldn't choose to do it though. I do think if I did it, it would be something that would stay with me for the rest of my life.
@p1kef1sh (45638)
25 Jun 08
Me too Cortney. I know that I couldn't do it.