flag and national anthem etiquette

@Qaeyious (2357)
United States
July 5, 2008 2:37am CST
I just came back from the fireworks celebration at Hagen Park in Rancho Cordova, California. July 4th is Independence Day in the United States, celebrating the ratification of the Declaration of Independence from England. It was a weird experience. I didn't catch the parade in the morning, but last year most people stood and saluted the flag of the United States when one was carried past. It seems however that there is some ignorance about etiquette regarding our national anthem. If you are a citizen of the United States, you are supposed to stand at attention, face the music, and salute. If you are a civilian, the salute is the right hand over the heart. Military people can give the military salute whether they are in uniform or not, the right hand sideways to the right eye's brow (if there is an official description, I invite one who has the knowledge to share, please do) If you are a boy or girl scout in uniform, they have their own salute. So finally the music entertainment stopped (sorry, Hip Service, you are very good, but I'm an old man, and by 9:45 my most natural state is in bed) ... I didn't recognize it at first - it started slow and softly. When I realized it was The Star Spangled Banner I rose put my hat over my heart ... ... I didn't see a single person in front of me do the same. Those that were seated stayed seated, watching the fireworks. I made sure just now, on google to be sure rules haven't changed, and they haven't. I would be most interested about other countries, if they have salutes to their flag or to any particular song, and if the tradition is also falling by the wayside like it is here.
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• United States
6 Jul 08
The Declaration Of Independence is a symbol of our inherited right to dismiss the rules we deemed to be not for us.Many citizens wouldn't stand for the National Anthem if they knew the rules.Whenever I hear Any country's anthem, I stand. I don't put my hand over my heart when The National Anthem, but I do stand.I will stand even if it is only on t.v. and I am home alone.I know the Canadian, French, English and German, and Israeli anthems when I hear them.And it doesn't have to be the complete. Have you seen Casablanca? The French Anthem is played twice and one of the times it is just a part of it but I stand both times.
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@Qaeyious (2357)
• United States
6 Jul 08
~ Allons enfants de la patria ~ Le jour de gloire est arrivé! ~ I took French in high school, and that was one of the songs we learned. It's a very bloody song; I'm glad our anthem is not like that. Let's go children of the fatherland, The day of glory has arrived! Against us tyranny's Bloody flag is raised! (repeat) In the countryside, do you hear The roaring of these fierce soldiers? They come right to our arms To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! Refrain Grab your weapons, citizens! Form your batallions! Let us march! Let us march! May impure blood Water our fields! You are a better person than I am. Of course I wouldn't be talking to someone when I suspect the song being played is a national anthem of another country due to the ceremony I am attending. If it's on TV, most likely I am in a bar (I refuse to buy a TV for my apartment. That's another topic) It has been a while since I saw the anthem being played on TV, but most likely there would be several TVs on in various locations - There would be too many distractions to do it properly. I knew Great Britain's is "God Save the Queen" but if it's played in the midst of American songs, most likely it's "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" - which reminds me, that our anthem, The Star-Spangled Banner, was set to music of an English drinking song - To Anacreon in Heav'n, where he sat in full glee, A few Sons of Harmony sent a petition; That he their Inspirer and Patron wou'd be; When this answer arrived from the Jolly Old Grecian; "Voice, Fiddle, and Flute, No longer be mute, I'll lend you my name and inspire you to boot, And besides I'll instruct you like me, to intwine, The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine." I remember a movement a few years back, to attempt to make "O Beautiful (~ for speacious skies ~ for amber waves of grain ~) - to make that the national anthem instead. I would be all for it - I can sing that a lot better. I confess I had to look up Canada's - I thought it was also "God Save the Queen" but I see they established theirs in 1980, "O Canada" I probably won't recognize it if it was played without words, and no context to hint to me that it's their anthem. I found this site today, http://www.national-anthems.net/ - it has the music and the lyrics to the anthems of many countries. Oh, I almost forgot - They gave another fireworks show yesterday (Saturday, July 5) - this time I saw a dozen stand, about a third of the people in my immediate vicinity. So we're not all that bad.
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• United States
6 Jul 08
What is proper to do when you hear any national anthem has to be taught. if you are not taught you will never know.Our national anthem is about a battle in 1812, while it seems like France's is about all the bloodshed that made France free through the centuries.If you know about the battle Key was writing about , the words make sense. I didn't really understand the true meaning until I studied the battle.It is all there and the words are beautiful. But the music sucks. No regular person can sing it. The only time I am happy to hear it is during the Olympics because it means a gold metal was won.Of national anthems I mentioned, Canada's is the prettiest and the easiest to learn and sing.I got to hear it at the beginning of hockey games played in Canada when I had the NHL package a few years back.I loved it when they would sing the first part in English and then the middle in french and then back to English.Beautiful.Thanks for the site.I will go there and try to add to the anthems I can recognize.
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• United States
3 Aug 08
Thanks for best response.
@nzinky (822)
• United States
5 Jul 08
Yes you are suppost to salute the flag if you are in uniform......If your a civilan your suppost to place your right hand over your heart and stand as the flag passes.....It's called respect of symbols of our country... Sad to say now a days no one has any respect for anything or any body...I remember as a child when a President of the country came to our small town everyone showed up to see and hear what he had to say we all stood till he left....We were quite and listened to what he had to say even if we didn't like what he had to say.... But no days when a person goes to something they have to put their two cents in.....No one knows how to listen....And wants to force their views on everyone else....They call it protesting now but I was always told it was just being rude.... When we were growing up we were suppost to respect other people and little pitchers were seen but not heard.....Now days kids scream and yell and destroy other peoples properity and think nothing of it... Lets face it people just have no respect for anything anymore that's why we have to have police in our schools and every where we go...... I don't understand myself why they are like that....