Obama Backers, Help Me Out Here...

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
July 12, 2008 12:08am CST
There are a lot of Obama backers, but they can't seem to tell me why they are supporting him. I understand that a lot of people are just going to vote Democrat, but being a Democrat, or even planning to vote for the Democrat nominee no matter what is not the same as being excited about Obama himself. What I normally get when I ask why someone supports Obama is a list of things he isn't. He isn't McCain, he isn't Bush, he isn't Republican... Then I get totally meaningless reasons like his race ("it's about time we had a Black president"), or "it's time for a change", or even "he's about hope". These are totally meaningless because (say what you will about McCain), he will bring change and hope too. When I ask the Obama Backer about specific policies or issues it gets even more muddled. Like the war. Obama backers seem convinced that he will end the war in Iraq. Sure, he may have said that at some time, but his most recent statement has been that he would consult the commanders in Iraq. Then there is Iran. He says that he would talk with Iranian leaders without any conditions. Does that mean he will insist on no conditions from Iranian leaders? Or will he honor conditions set by them, but require nothing from them?And what about a willingness to hold Obama responsible for broken promises? Obama has promised a middle class tax cut. This is something that almost all Democrat candidates have promised in my lifetime... yet we haven't seen it happen during a Democrat administration yet. What's funny is, if you point out the promises he has already broken, Obama backers will defend him by saying something like, "Oh, all politicians do that!" Well, how is Obama the "change" candidate if he's like "all politicians"?So, Obama Backers, here's your big chance. Let's here what you like about him. Be specific, be positive and suprise me by being Pro Obama instead of Anti anyone else.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Jul 08
I agree with you that it seems to be the name of the game in politics to be "against" someone instead of being "for" someone else. I'm going to try to give you what you've asked for but I must preface it by saying first that sometimes it's very difficult if not impossible to explain why I'm for one candidate without making some comparison to the alternative. Obama has been called the "most liberal member of the Senate" by some sources, yet I've seen other studies that rank him around 9th, tied with Joe Biden. Whatever the case may be I like that Obama's somewhat liberal although he's actually not quite as liberal as I would like on some issues. I like that he'll appoint Supreme Court Justices who will be more likely to protect a woman's right to choose and who will be less likely to rule for big corporations and the government every time. I know the details will have to be worked out but I like his health care proposals and that he wants to cover all children and make health care insurance more accessible and affordable for all Americans. I like that he realizes it's impossible for us to do everything that needs to be done in this country and eventually pay down our debt and balance the budget without doing away with some of the Bush tax cuts for the rich. I agree with him that we must try to deal with the problems with Iran diplomatically as the current Administration has done with North Korea. I know I'm likely to take a beating for this but I DO like that he's younger and fresher and will take a different approach to all of the issues than the current Administration has. I know there will be things with which I'll disagree with a President Obama if that comes to past but based on everything I've heard so far I feel confident he's the best person to get our country back on track. There, I didn't mention McBush a single time...lol! Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
12 Jul 08
Couldn't help yourself with the "McBush" thing, could you! :~D Thank you for doing a pretty decent job of stating what you like about Obama. I would like to point out a few things tough (only for the sake of argument). You say that he would appoint justices who would protect a women's right to choose and not big corperations. How does that make him a friend of the US Constitution? If he would choose people who have already made up their minds, and the facts of the case don't matter, then you are saying that he would appoint incompetent justices. Now, I know that other presidents have appointed justices equally inept Constitutionally, but we're talking about Obama here, not other presidents. Obama contradicts himself with the debt thing. First he want's to increase spending atronomically, but says he's concerned about deficit spending. He also says that he would do away with the very tax cuts that have helped bring in record revenues. If he were to cut the Bush tax cuts, he would actually be decreasing the total amount in the federal coffers. Also, he has stated pretty clearly that taxes should be based on fairness, not revenue. Which means he wouldn't care about deficit spending as long as he considers the deficits "fair". Also, how is increasing taxes on the ones who already pay the vast majority of the tax burdon "fair"? I wouldn't mind a few fresh ideas, and even an "inexperienced" person leading us in a new direction, if it were a candidate with even the slightest confidence in his ability to do so. Obama can't answer a direct question without rambling on and on until the interviewer chooses to move on. As long as he has the teleprompter putting words in his mouth, he is a master speaker. However, his own ideas and how to implement them are muddled and incoherent. About Iran. You can't really compare Iran with N. Korea (as far as ways to deal with them). North Korea acts up for one reason... money. They know that in this world "diplomacy" means, "how much money will it take to shut you up today?" and they play that game well. Iran's president has proven time and time again that money isn't what he's interest in. He has one purpose in life... Israel's annhilation. His troops have also been very actively engaged in combat in Iraq. The same time his missile crews were killing fish and sealife in the Persian Gulf, his artillery troops were shelling Kurds in Northern Iraq. He also has been very active in killing American troops. With that all being true, how is Obama going to deal with a war that is already going on? He seems to think that while they shoot, we should be talking. I wonder if he would feel the same way if it were his head in the crosshairs? Will his Secret Service policy be, "talk to the would be assassin without conditions"? Thanks again for answering the question, but as you can see, the Obama who has been running for president doesn't seem to match the answers you gave.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
13 Jul 08
As far as Supreme Court Justices are concerned, both candidates plan a litmus test regarding Roe V. Wade; knowing that I'll take the one who will protect women and girls from going back to the days when back-alley abortions by quacks with filthy instruments killed many women and very young girls. When it comes to deficit spending and taxes, nobody has been more irresponsible than Bush but if we're to continue being in the red I'd certainly rather it be because we're fixing our own infrastructure and helping our own people than because we're wasting billions per week fighting this useless war. I also agree with Obama about increasing our troop levels in Afghanistan which is something that should have happened a long time ago. The Iraqis want us to leave or set timetables and if we honor their wishes I believe that will improve things with Iran. I know the Iranian President is a lunatic and I'm not saying we should give him everything he wants and set no conditions. However, we have to do whatever is possible to avoid another war IF the current Administration doesn't start it before November, which I'm very much afraid will happen. I have to admit here that as much as I agree with you about not liking it when people are against someone instead of for someone else, this is one time where even if I didn't have much positive to say about the Democratic nominee it would be very difficult for me not to vote for him or her and I can't think of any possible way I could vote for...sorry, I have to say it...that other guy! Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Jul 08
"As far as Supreme Court Justices are concerned, both candidates plan a litmus test regarding Roe V. Wade; knowing that I'll take the one who will protect women and girls from going back to the days when back-alley abortions by quacks with filthy instruments killed many women and very young girls." You do realize that overturning Roe Vs Wade wouldn't ban abortion right? It would simply leave it up to each state to decide. Which is the Constitutional way. "When it comes to deficit spending and taxes, nobody has been more irresponsible than Bush but if we're to continue being in the red I'd certainly rather it be because we're fixing our own infrastructure and helping our own people than because we're wasting billions per week fighting this useless war." True, Prs. Bush has nothing to brag about when it comes to overbudgeting. However, the responsibility of controlling spending is placed squarely in the hands of Congress. Once the Democrats were given control of Congress, and they continued they increased the overbloated spending, they proved that they had nowhere to complain about Republican spending. Remember, Bush can't spend a single dime, he can only submit a budget request for the Executive Branch. Yes, he should be more responsible with his budget request, but in the end, Congress is the only entity that can say no... and not only didn't they, they added to the problem every chance they got. "I also agree with Obama about increasing our troop levels in Afghanistan which is something that should have happened a long time ago. The Iraqis want us to leave or set timetables and if we honor their wishes I believe that will improve things with Iran." Yes, if the government of Iraq feels ready to take the reigns, then it is our responsibility to let them do it. However, what happens with the US and other coalition nations in Iraq has nothing to do with Iran's plans. They are involved to further their terrorist plans, none of which are dependent on how things go in Iraq. "I know the Iranian President is a lunatic and I'm not saying we should give him everything he wants and set no conditions. However, we have to do whatever is possible to avoid another war IF the current Administration doesn't start it before November, which I'm very much afraid will happen." Why do you continue to live under the delusion that we aren't at war with Iran? They are shooting at us, the only question is when we will start shooting back. Why is it that so many people only consider it a war if America shoots back? "I have to admit here that as much as I agree with you about not liking it when people are against someone instead of for someone else, this is one time where even if I didn't have much positive to say about the Democratic nominee it would be very difficult for me not to vote for him or her and I can't think of any possible way I could vote for...sorry, I have to say it...that other guy!" I don't mind people bringing up "the other guy" in a campare and contrast type argument, that is completely legitimate. It when they bring up Bush instead of the opposing candidates. Bush isn't running anymore... I have to laugh at the thought of democrats lamenting the idea that their 8 years of non stop campaigning against Bush is over. Remember, one of the reasons McCain got the Republican nomination is there are many Republicans who like McCain because he isn't Bush and isn't a conservative. So where does that leave the whole "McBush, or "McSame" rhetoric?\ I also have to laugh at all the Democrats who loved McCain until he became the candidate. Especially that lying sack of maggot droppings, John Kerry. Four years ago he wanted McCain as a running mate (which means, if Kerry/McCain won, McCain would be the heir apparent for the Democrat ticket). Now the liar is telling everyone how incompetent McCain is for the very office he was wanting to set McCain up for. ROFL!
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Jul 08
*tumbleweed blows by* You've already named everything they've got. They need to scramble and come up with something new now so it could be a while before you get a response.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
12 Jul 08
Apparently they aren't very good at the change they say they want... He changes so much, they don't even bother trying to keep up. ;~D
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@missybal (4490)
• United States
13 Jul 08
I came here hoping to hear the good reasons too, and you know they are alot of the same I was thinking myself at the beginning of this election season. I had high hopes of Obama but throughout his campaign I kept liking him less and less until it turned to total disgust. I have never been a fan of Bush, however I do agree that we did have to do something before the war would have been here on our homeland. I do not see McCain as another Bush, he is a far better man in my opinion... although not a perfect man.
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@missybal (4490)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Yes I must say they do a far better job then most however I can't stand how people keep using the McBush word... Calling McCain McBush in my eyes is as bad as me calling Obama the N-word. It's just uncalled for. If you want to say that you think he's a lot like Bush in policy and character okay then say that (although I don't agree) but lets not change the man's name.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
8 Aug 08
"Calling McCain McBush in my eyes is as bad as me calling Obama the N-word." I'm sorry, I sure didn't mean to offend anyone but I really can't see any comparison with the N-word, which is something I've never said in my entire life. A lot of people change Obama's name in much more offensive ways such as "Obamoron", etc. and they call anyone supporting Obama names such as the above. I guess what I'm trying to say is saying something about someone who is a public figure by choice, when it's not something offensive about something they can't help is fair game. Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Jul 08
Read Anniepa's and fafinette79's comments. I can't say I agree with what they said, but both presented their arguments very well.
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
12 Jul 08
I am anti-everyone. I don't like McCain. I don't like Obama. I can't decide which one I don't like more. Ever since I first saw Obama I didn't trust him (and not because of what he was saying.) He gave me "bad vibes..." (I'm a stoner, give me a break!) I know I am not the demographic you wanted to respond to this, but I'm doing it anyway...
• United States
13 Jul 08
I would like to read the same thing, like you all I hear is, "well he can't be worse than Bush." or "We need a Democrat in there." I'm saying why? I'm not getting an answer to that though, except, see #1. I am open to finding out anything positive about O'Bama, or McCain, because frankly I don't care for either one of them. I wouldn't be adverse to voting for a Democrat, if they could prove to me that they have the knowledge to do what this country needs to put it back on track, but just saying he is going to bring change doesn't tell me anything. He could be talking about the carpet in his bedroom. We need a strong leader in the white house at this period in our history, but we also need a smart leader, one without the other is simply going to sugar coat, and we are already almost diabetic in this country now.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
12 Jul 08
ParaTed, Already 8 hours and not a single Obama backer has taken your challenge! Must be the Friday night/Saturday morning thing! Anyway I'm going to try to help the discussion out a little bit and add some fuel to the fire! I'm going to tell you why these people are so reluctant to answer you and that is because Obama is an EMPTY SUIT, period! He has no real substancial ideas of his own and when pinned down on issues without his frendly teleprompter or notes he sounds worse than GWB ever did! The only thing you have heard from him to this point is "a change you can believe in" and now he's even changing that! I truely believe that if change is what you want then you must vote for Barack, just don't be surprised when the change you get comes at the rate of about every 15 minutes or even worse a change in the wrong direction! Remember, folks, the democrats PROMISED us change in 2006 mid-term elections in which the PROMISED to pull us out of Iraq if they were given a majority in both houses! They hav had that majority for almost 2 years now. Are we out of Iraq? NO, and we won't be for years to come NO MATTER who gets elected! Barack panders and scratches the ear of whome ever he stands in front of so he can sound good to that particular group! Change? Yeah from baloney to salami! Just a different sort of the same thing!
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Well ParaTed I think you have ask the question alot of us have asked. It has been 12 hourse and the Obama Nation has not uttered a response. Of course the day is still young, maybe someone will answer your questions. I doubt it though, if no one else could get a straight answer you might have a hard time doing so to. I will have to check on this discussion as the day goes on.
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@fiona08 (454)
• United States
13 Jul 08
This man stands for many of the same ideals that I believe in. I like his positions on women's issues, health care, and the war in Iraq. I think he is compassionate toward human beings, in general. He respects citizens living in all nations. He believes in education. He believes in educating all of the children in OUR country. He knows that diverse cultures, and languages are something we should embrace as a country, not something we should be fearful of.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Jul 08
Which Obama stands for the same things you do? The ultra liberal who has been in the Senate the last couple of years, the Obama running against Hillary, or the incarnation that has emerged closer to the center lately?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
14 Jul 08
Yes, much of it can be chalked up to pandering, and for now we have to put up with that crap. What you hope he does stand firm on if he wins, I fear he might. When I read his website, I see a man with nothing but contempt for the U.S. Constitution. I see a man who looks down his nose at minorities and the poor. He sees them as nothing more than children who can't make it on their own. He sees slaves where he should be seeing people.
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@fiona08 (454)
• United States
14 Jul 08
I will admit he has made a few decisions, I can only blame on pandering. I am, of course disappointed with that, but don't think we ever see a politician in his position, that doesn't pander. I think he will remain true to his beliefs on the majority of issues. I know for certain that I will not be happy with McCain as president. His values are absolutely not in line with mine.
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• United States
13 Jul 08
Well, let me first say that the main reason I back him is the end to the war. My hubby is military and I really don't want him going to war. The fact that no one can tell you why they back him is showing how much people really care about this country and politics. There are so many things that a president can do to help this country and other countries. There are so many things that a president can do to mess up a country....for example Bush. With that out the way, let me tell you all the reasons why I back Obama (his name meaning blessed, handsome one). There's a lot, so I hope that you have time to read. He plans to end discrimination for those with disabilities. So many people are turned down or sent away because of disabilities. His plan is to make it so that more businesses and companies can have the ability to help those with disabilities. He will increase funding into education, energy independence, and other investments that will make our economy stronger and get us out of debt. We are so dependent on other countries for resources that we need to survive. Education is so more important than war. Putting money into education will make our future brighter....will make our children's future brighter. Tuition costs have gone up almost 50% since Bush has been president, which mean less people can afford to go to school. Obama believes that the president should be accountable for schools not meeting standards. Obama wants families to be stronger. Why outsource jobs when many families need working parents. He believes that we can find ways to help families in all aspects of life. He wants more money to go into what is needed. The country is in so much debt from spending all our funds on war and not on paying the military and their families. The government has even borrowed more money to put us in more debt so that we can start more wars. President Bush wants us to go into Iran and other places within the next few months and has already tried getting loans to do so. What about the families that can barely pay their bills because they have to choose between gas and food? Obama believes in affordable health care for everyone. Most citizens don't start their own business because it costs thousands a month to just have health care..... and they still have to pay for copays, prescriptions, and other costs. My sister has been working at the same company for about 15 years and every year her costs go up for her bi-weekly payout to have insurance for her and her daughter....and all the while raises are getting smaller and smaller. Does anyone think about what would happen if we are attacked by another country? Most of our best infantry units in all branches of the military are away. We would be defeated easily. Obama plans to increase homeland security to protect our own. Why are we so concerned into protecting others when we have so many problems here at home? Then there's his plans on poverty, immigration reform, social security, veterans and so much more. My fingers are getting tired. I'm not backing him because he's black, but I am because we need a big change. McCain is just wanting to continue in the same footsteps as Bush. Yes, all politicians lie to get into office. But usually they have a reason. Obama is not even "black" in the sense that we think he is. He already makes tons of money and is very popular. If anything he's African or White. He was born in Hawaii to an African father (from Kenya) and a white mother. No president can do all that he promised, especially when Congress has to approved almost everything. But, do you really want a president who's main concern is to make more war. Has Bush done anything else? He even stopped the increase in pay for military for months by just .5% just because he didn't think they needed it in the budget. McCain wants to continue this. If all our funding go into war, then what will happen to everything else?
@missybal (4490)
• United States
13 Jul 08
May I just say I pray for your husband as I pray for mine who is also in the military and is overseas right now and will only be returning home for a couple of months before being right back over there at the beginning of next year. However I feel also compelled to tell you that I do not believe Obama will end this war. My opinion is he is making a promise of a time table to get the votes. I use to support Obama until I listened to him...and I mean really listened to him. What branch and career field is your husband in? Mine is Air Force and he is escorting third world nationals right now . It's a hard life as a military wife but it is so rewarding too.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Jul 08
"Well, let me first say that the main reason I back him is the end to the war. My hubby is military and I really don't want him going to war." Obama has already waffled on this one. Sure, he spent the last year telling us he'll bring an end to the war, but now he's saying that he'll consult with the commanders on the ground... all of whom are for staying until the job is done. The fact is, Obama never had any intention of taking on a loss in Iraq during his adminstration. "He plans to end discrimination for those with disabilities. So many people are turned down or sent away because of disabilities. His plan is to make it so that more businesses and companies can have the ability to help those with disabilities." He is a walking discrimination himself. He has played the race card in almost everything he has done. As far as forcing companies to spend money to comply with draconion laws, if he wants to be a Marxist-Leninist he should at least have the honesty and integrity to admit it. Unless you are willing to spend your own money making your home accessible to disabled people, you better be careful what you demand of others (btw, yes, there are groups pushing for exactly that). "He will increase funding into education, energy independence, and other investments that will make our economy stronger and get us out of debt." How is he going to get us out of debt if he is increasing all this funding? How does anyone spend their way out of debt? "We are so dependent on other countries for resources that we need to survive. Education is so more important than war. Putting money into education will make our future brighter....will make our children's future brighter." First of all, there is no Constitutional backing for federal spending on K-12 education. Secondly, no federal education program has ever improved education. Return education to the local level, with state oversight is the answer. The federal government can only take programs that work for some areas and make them into federally mandated wastes of resources. We need to quit looking to federal government to fix everything and start demanding more from our local leaders. "Tuition costs have gone up almost 50% since Bush has been president, which mean less people can afford to go to school." Tuition is a state thing, not a federal thing. Be more willing to hold the people demand more from the people who are supposed to be responsible. I'm not sure why we say we love freedom if we demand our president take on dictatorial authorities. "Obama believes that the president should be accountable for schools not meeting standards." That's because Obama has nothing but contempt for the US Constitution and considers the state and local government servants of the fed. "Obama wants families to be stronger. Why outsource jobs when many families need working parents. He believes that we can find ways to help families in all aspects of life." Yes, he wasn't control of your family and mine. "He wants more money to go into what is needed. The country is in so much debt from spending all our funds on war and not on paying the military and their families." Again, how do you spend your way out of debt? "President Bush wants us to go into Iran and other places within the next few months and has already tried getting loans to do so." Iran is killing our troops already. What should we do, ask them nicely to stop? "What about the families that can barely pay their bills because they have to choose between gas and food? Obama believes in affordable health care for everyone." There is already a huge shortage of doctors, nurses and other medical professionals. Do you realize that the only way to keep up with the demand that universal health care would create is to force every high school graduate for the next 5 years to be in health care? Obama talks about health care as if making it free wouldn't increase the demand. He is either delusional or hoping no one will notice this fatal flaw. "Most citizens don't start their own business because it costs thousands a month to just have health care..... and they still have to pay for copays, prescriptions, and other costs." So what is the difference between paying thousands a month for health care coverage and paying thousands a month in taxes to cover universal health care? "My sister has been working at the same company for about 15 years and every year her costs go up for her bi-weekly payout to have insurance for her and her daughter....and all the while raises are getting smaller and smaller. Does anyone think about what would happen if we are attacked by another country?" What has your sister been doing to try to get better benefits? Why is she at the same job for 15 years if the pay and benefits are innadequate? Has she looked elsewhere? Has she tried negotiating a better situation for herself? Or is that the responsibility of the president also? "Most of our best infantry units in all branches of the military are away. We would be defeated easily. Obama plans to increase homeland security to protect our own. Why are we so concerned into protecting others when we have so many problems here at home? Then there's his plans on poverty, immigration reform, social security, veterans and so much more. My fingers are getting tired." There was a time when the National Guard concerned itself mostly with domestic defense. That ended in the mid 90s when Prs. Clinton decided that it was ok for 50% of our infantry and 75% of our artillery units to be National Guard. He also took most of the support units out of the guard and put them in the Reserves. This is the very reason why our National Guard is used so heavily in Iraq and Afghanistan. "I'm not backing him because he's black, but I am because we need a big change. McCain is just wanting to continue in the same footsteps as Bush." This isn't true at all. Yes, there are a few policies McCain will continue from the Bush administration, but guess what, so will Obama. Please get passed the "McSame" and "McBush" BS. The reason many moderate republicans like McCain is because us ISN'T Bush and isn't conservative. Remember, this guy who Democrats like to say is the "Same as Bush" would be the heir apparent for the Democrat nomination if Kerry had have had his way (he wanted McCain as a running mate) and if he won the White House. "Yes, all politicians lie to get into office. But usually they have a reason. Obama is not even "black" in the sense that we think he is. He already makes tons of money and is very popular. If anything he's African or White. He was born in Hawaii to an African father (from Kenya) and a white mother. No president can do all that he promised, especially when Congress has to approved almost everything. But, do you really want a president who's main concern is to make more war." There is a difference between lying to get into office and getting into office and not being able to get policies made into law. Obama has already been exposed as a liar and on the take. He lied about wanting to end the war, he lied about his childhood, he lied about knowing more than one language and he lied about the religion he has embraced for 20 years. Obama has been a piss poor senator but lies to make his 145 days of actual work in the senate look good. He accomplished nothing of note with tenure in the Illinois state government. In fact, a lot of what he did accomplish was by playing the race card. I will agree that it is stupid for people to say he's "not really African American". He is one of the few Americans who truly fit that term.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jul 08
I respect your choice, but I think you have a lot of misconceptions and are buying into meaningless rhetoric. How will he end discrimination against those with disabilities? We already have the ADA. We already have disabled people suing large corporations that fail to provide them equal opportunities. Target has even been sued for it's website not being compatible with software designed to help blind people browse websites. Putting money into educations hasn't, nor will it change anything. Everyone wants to believe that all we need to do is throw money at a problem and it goes away. Simply put, that never has, and never will work. Clinton threw money at education and it continued to decline. Bush threw money at education and it declined. Many states, including Florida where I live, found other ways to throw even more money at education. Somehow it continues to decline. Money alone is NOT the answer. Obama may believe in affordable health care for everyone, but belief and 70 cents will get you a hot cup of jack squat. "Does anyone think about what would happen if we are attacked by another country? Most of our best infantry units in all branches of the military are away. We would be defeated easily. " How little faith you have in our nation. We have possibly the most powerful army in the world. We also have the best natural defense of being surrounded by the two largest oceans in the world. Infantry? Who exactly is going to amass a ground attack? Canada? Mexico? I don't think so. The only way for anyone to strike at this nation is with either an air attack, or a terrorist attack like 9-11. Even if some country somehow managed a ground attack, we have the national guard, reserves, plenty of military, and I can't imagine how many well armed and trained police throughout this nation. Anyone stupid enough to attack from the south would have to contend with the well armed citizens of Texas. There's a reason they say "Don't mess with Texas". It truly saddens me that a citizen of the US honestly thinks we could ever be beaten easily on our own land. "But, do you really want a president who's main concern is to make more war. Has Bush done anything else? " Actually he has but everyone decided to forget about that once the way in Iraq started. There's a reason he had the highest approval ratings of any president in US history. He united this country. He showed true and honest passion and patriotism following 9-11. He federalized airport security. He created the Department of Homeland Security. He changed our airport security from being a worldwide joke into a competent, functional organization including sky marshals that have already successfully stopped several criminals in flight. That's ok, you don't like Bush so it's much easier to pretend all he's ever done was start a war in Iraq and put us in a recession. That's what every other die hard liberal wants to believe.
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