Mandatory VOLUNTERISM? Doublespeak for SLAVERY!

United States
July 12, 2008 10:23am CST
Yes, it is true. Advocating mandatory volunterism is something only a wannabe dictator or tryant could even think of doing. So, who thinks mandatory volunterism is a good idea? Barack Hussein Obama. It's not the only frightening idea of Barack Hussein Obama. Consider this. "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." How can a civilian 'force' be just as 'strong', just as 'powerful' as our military? Can we afford another group just as 'well-funded' as our military? Barack Hussein Obama is completely NUTS. If Jesse cuts Obama's off, there will be nothing left. Here is a frank discussion of this topic. http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/baracks-brown-shirts/ What do you think of Barrack Hussein Obama's mandatory volunterism and his civilian national security force?
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@Ciniful (1589)
• Canada
12 Jul 08
Mandatory volunteering is an oxymoron in itself. It's a complete contradiction. The idea of volunteering is that it's NOT mandatory .. that each person is opting to help out on their own, without pressure or coercion. Making it mandatory destroys that concept, and makes it forced labor instead.
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@tzuria (31)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Exactly. It's just a "nice" term for being forced to be in the military. Looking at other countries (South Korea, Israel), it may be a good idea. HOWEVER, since we have not had this in the United States at all, I don't think it's a good idea to implement it. It is too big a venture as there will be too many people to go into the system, and not many people are going to want to do it. I think that that kind of thing would cause some type of an uprising and mass outcry.
@speakeasy (4215)
• United States
12 Jul 08
I have no problem with requiring some form of national serice; but, this is above and beyond that. It especially stresses sevice by young people (middle school, high school, and college). These are formative years where they can be easily influenced (ever hear of brainwashing; this is exactly what Hitler did with the German Youth Corp - young people who were ONLY serving their country - read up about them sometime). It also gives college students a $4,000 annual tax credit - most college students don't make enough to pay $4,000 in taxes in a year so this "gives" them something they can't even use. Also, no matter what proof you have; some people will refuse to believe it. That is what happened when President Clinton campaigned and then took office - he said he would make it easier for homosexuals to serve in the military and just a couple of months after taking office he implemented "don't ask, don't tell". The homophobes and religious "Right" who had voted for him were "shocked"; even though, he clearly stated this agenda in some of his speeches. They refused to believe what he said until he implemented it. I just hope enough people wake up to facts before they vote Obama into the White House.
@speakeasy (4215)
• United States
12 Jul 08
While I personally believe we should have a form of national service - this goes way above and beyond that. National Service in most countries implies serving 1 - 2 years after finishing school. That is one of th ethings that really worries me about Obama's plan; it is directed at young people in Middle School, High School,and college. These are formative years when young people are easily influenced. What this actually reminds me of is Hitler's "Youth Corp" - young people who are JUST "serving" their country while actually helping to hold the country in a state of terror and submission - you ought to read up on it sometime - this proposal is almost identical. Also, his plan to give the college students a $4,000 tax credit just shows how out of touch he is - most college students don't make enough to pay $4,000 in taxes in the first place! As you have just seen from Ivaldean's post- some people will refuse to believe that he even said these things even when it is right there in front of them and nothing you can do or say will change their belief. That is exactly what happened when President Clinton was running for office. He promised in a couple of his campaign speeches to make it easier for gays to serve in the military. A lot of people either refused to believe he had said it or that he would not follow through on it IF he did say it. But, one of his first acts was to implement "Don't ask; don't tell." All of those "non-believers" were heard from loud and clear after the fact; but, they are the ones who voted him into office. Hopefully enough people will wake up and hear the truth and NOT vote Obama into the Presidency. After he is in office, it is too late.
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@speakeasy (4215)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Sorry about the similar post above - I lost my connection when I was trying to post it before and when I came back and checked it was not there. It took me a lot more then 14 seconds (the difference in time between the posts) to write this; so, I have no idea where my first post was hiding in "cyberspace" while I rewrote this.
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• United States
13 Jul 08
A tax credit? A $4000 tax credit for college students? This is so outrageous I couldn't believe it and had to go back to the text of the speech. You are absolutely correct. It is a tax credit. I was just skimming that part and thought to my self, 'tutition credit' instead of tax credit. I did calculate that a $4000 credit for 100 hours service is $40 per hour which is pretty darn generous but it did slip by me about it being a 'tax credit'. What cheap trick at deception and misdirection. This is not being 'out of touch' it is pulling the wool over people's eyes. Thanks to you, speakeasy, he only fooled me for a little while. This is symptomatic of a very cunning deceitful person. If we dug a little deeper I wonder what else we would find? Hats off to you speakeasy for reading carefully. Wish I'd caught it.
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@speakeasy (4215)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Well, at least a tax CREDIT is better than a tax DEDUCTION; but, you have to earn a lot of money to owe that much in taxes in the first place - like I said this just proves how out of touch OBAMA is if he "believes" that the average college student owes or pays $4,000 in taxes per year.
@bluespace (132)
• Canada
13 Jul 08
It's really not a good idea to force people into community service .That's a throwback to the Soviet union.Couldn't the government ASK people to volunteer? You catch more flies with honey than vinegar .
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• United States
13 Jul 08
Not only a throwback to the Soviet Union but also Nazi Germany. This sort of tryanny is what they both had in common.
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@gewcew23 (8011)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Mandatory volunterism is not voluntering. Nothing you are forced to do is voluntering. How can civil libertarians say they want Obama to become President because he will restore rescept for civil liberties? How does forcing someone to do something restore civil liberties? Why can we not continue to us our military to protect the homefront? Is it just me or does it seem that when a Democrat talks about the military it is always viewed in the light of disgust. The military has for along time have voted Republican, maybe this is the Democrat plan to create a Democrat military.
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• United States
13 Jul 08
I happen to know that military officers vote about 90% republican, maybe higher. Why? When they need more ammo, more repair parts, more weapons, or backing to actually defeat an enemy by killing them, Republicans back the military much more often than the Democrats. If the Democrats do create a 'civilian' security force, it won't be too long before it goes Republican, too.
@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
12 Jul 08
So lets get a reality check on this one. Obama believes that national service is appropriate. So do I. So do many other countries. Here is a link to the speech and within this link is the link to his actual Volunteer Service Plan. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/02/obama.service I would strongly suggest that anyone interested read the text of the actual plan rather than the conjecture and misquotes. I can't seem to find a credible source for that specific quote.
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• United States
12 Jul 08
Is the Chicago Tribune creditable? http://wap.chicagotribune.mlogic3g.com/news.jsp?key=166447&rc=na_wo&p=3 Many people, myself included consider CNN to be dubious. They don't outright lie, but are very clever with language that can be interpreted in more than one way, and ommission of facts not in agreement with their agenda, which is fine by me if they were not pretending to be a news organization.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
12 Jul 08
Sorry not good enough. Here is the entire speech and no where in his speech does that quote appear. It is conjecture and misquotes. While I may not agree with the man on everything I find it disheartening that there appears to be this absolute desire to tear him down. Personally, I like the idea of National Service. Always have liked it and always well like it. This doesn't mean that a person must join the military, but what for the love of all that is holy is wrong with public service? http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/02/text-obamas-speech
• United States
12 Jul 08
Why does the quote have to be in the speech you mentioned? The Chicago Tribune source does mention, I think, where he said it. So, what if it was not in the specific speech you mentioned. He did say it. I've nothing against public service. I served 3 years in the US ARMY myself. I was not drafted and there was no chance I would have been drafted if I had not gone in on my own. In my case, it was completely voluntary. I'd do it again. The problem with the public service Obama is advocating is that some of it ties federal funds for educational assistance to schools having to make their students participate in the volunterism. That is, no volunteers from your school, no federal funds. I got that from the pdf file containing Obama's plan. Public service that is coerced is not public service, it is slavery. I'm against that and any politician who proposes it.
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• United States
13 Jul 08
Yeah, it is true. The words came out his mouth, but you'll never get the supporters to believe it...not if they heard it with their own ears, which they didn't because political speeches are too boring, and choosing a candidate to support is like deciding which socks to wear in the morning. I'm sick of the sheeple. They're going to get us all killed.
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• United States
13 Jul 08
I believe the same things. Exactly these same things. Reminds me of a movie I saw once where a woman catches her husband with another woman. The husband says,"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?". I especially believe the 'sheeple' could get us all killed. They have already destroyed the value of the US DOLLAR. Here's a very possible chain of events. Weaken the currency, weaken the nation, and unscrupulous nations become encouraged to attack.
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@fiona08 (454)
• United States
14 Jul 08
There are many of us out here who support Obama. We take this election a lot more seriously than "deciding which socks to wear." When people study the issues, and make a decision based on the issues that are important to them they should be respected, even when they don't happen to agree with you. This is not grade school; we can disagree with each other without insulting each other's intelligence.
• United States
14 Jul 08
I've been studying this election and ALL the candidates that were and some that still are in it for nearly 2 years. Don't assume to know anything about me, because you don't.
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@Bugsey (775)
• United States
13 Jul 08
I agree. Obama means forcing you and everyone to volunteer? Are we soon going to see volunteer labor camps ; volunteer teachers; volunteer Spanish teachers; volunteer workforce.. Has Obama completely lost IT? This isn't Kenya!
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• United States
13 Jul 08
Hmmm... someone does need to ask Obama how his socialist ideas might be more receptive in a place like Kenya than the USA.
@Bugsey (775)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Why doesn't he prove himself and volunteer as president of Kenya? This remninds me of a scene from one of Ayn Rand's novels. Volunteer???? Isn't that exactly what it means? If "volunteerism" becomes a public policy it is no longer "volunteerism" but forced labor!
• United States
13 Jul 08
Obama can be a bit socalist at times. Although I really don't see why people keep tacking in the Hussein part, other than to play on raciest stereo types. Guess we'll just have to start referring to McCain as John Grandpa Simpson McCain if we want to stereo type people.
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• United States
13 Jul 08
John Grandpa Simpson McCain? LOL... I like it. I am an equal opportunity person in my dislike for most dumbocrats and retardicans. Practically all politicans are worthy of ridicule. Keep up the good work. I hope John Grandpa Simpson McCain catches on.
@speakeasy (4215)
• United States
13 Jul 08
I agree about the "Hussein" part; a more accurate middle name for Obama would be "Adolf Hitler". Obama's speaches and proposals more accurately reflect Hitler's speeches and actions than Saddham Hussein's.
@James72 (26829)
• Australia
13 Jul 08
Under the right controls and criteria this may be an interesting angle for able bodied people that have been unemployed for an extended period of time? I am not necessarily for "volunteerism" (seems like a pretty convoluted definition to use given the context of his statements) in regards to security or armed forces etc; but volunteerism for long term unemployed in other areas? This could be a productive means of providing skills to people that are currently unskilled or unemployed and may in turn assist many areas in society that need all the help they can get. In a sense having a civilian security force initiative could be a stepping stone to another form of Martial Law if abused. And all it takes is one misguided and somewhat charismatic soul for this to happen!
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• United States
13 Jul 08
Giving out of work people the opportunity to do community service in order to earn their welfare checks is okay by me.
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