Phil Gramm Off the Bus

@anniepa (27251)
United States
July 19, 2008 3:21pm CST
Last evening, Friday, July 18 former Senator Phil Gramm issued the following statement: “It is clear to me that Democrats want to attack me rather than debate Senator McCain on important economic issues facing the country. That kind of distraction hurts not only Senator McCain’s ability to present concrete programs to deal with the country’s problems, it hurts the country. To end this distraction and get on with the real debate, I hereby step down as Co-Chair of the McCain Campaign and join the growing number of rank-and-file McCain supporters.” You can read more here, and take note I'm giving you the link to extreme right wing columnist MIchelle Malkin so you can't whine about my source. I can use the word "whine" since that's what the person this post is about says we all are...lol! http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/18/off-the-bus-phil-gramm-steps-down-from-mccain-camp/ So, did he willingly step off the bus, did he get thrown off the bus, did he get pushed UNDER the bus and are you glad he's off the bus or do you think he should be allowed back on? Notice I tried to cover all bases - or I mean, bus stops! Annie
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@bdugas (3581)
• United States
20 Jul 08
Thank you kenzie, I think you you said a mouth full, I think he needed to step down, his remarks were uncalled for and it only points back to what people think the one running thinks, these kinds of people need to keep their mouth shut. I agree Obama is going to really hurt this country if he is elected, with his taxes and with foreign policy, he has no experience with dealing with these people. And as far as being whinners we are, did you hear the piece Jay Leno said on his show the other night, about the whinners, there doesn't seem to be anything good enough for the American people any more. We have electric, running water, the freedom to go where ever we want at anytime and no one to answer to it, to go to the store and buy anything on the shelfs, not like the people of Iraq where they said only Hussein was allowd meat to eat, yet we want more and more. With the way jobs are leaving this country we might get to really whine when all is gone somewhere else. We have had it easy in the usa, and others would give anything to be here and have our freedoms, but yet it is not enough, so if he said that then maybe it is true, we are whiners and should stop and thank the good lord that we was born here and not in one of the other countries.
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• United States
20 Jul 08
No, I didn't see the Jay Leno thing, but I heard about it. (I also heard that it was written by some anonymous person and circled the internet before Leno actually used it.) You mentioned the jobs leaving out country. What people don't seem to understand is that we can't "have it both ways." If we want to buy cheap stuff made in other countries at our biggest national discount store (you know the one), the we have to understand why companies/manufacturers are leaving here and going to those countries.
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• United States
20 Jul 08
Phil Gramm needed to step down. His statement showed that he and John McCain are out of touch with the problems that average everyday Americans face. Over 45 million Americans have no health insurance. Phil Gramm has the best health insurance that tax-payer money can buy. Phil Gramm isn't one of the number of Americans collecting unemployment benefits. And now that he has stepped down as Co-Chair of the McCain Campaign, he still doesn't have to worry about money because, once again, the American tax-payer is paying his generous pension. When Phil Gramm decides to give up his tax-payer paid healthcare benefits and his tax-payer paid pension, then I'll stop talking about the problems everday Americans are facing today. Until then, he needs to just go away and keep his demeaning thoughts to himself. Lloyd
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@anniepa (27251)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Excellent response, Lloyd, just as I've come to expect from you. These people are totally out of touch, there's no getting around it. I think Phil Gramm is the perfect example of what's wrong with Washington D.C. He served in the Senate for years until his retirement a few years ago and is now collecting his government pension and enjoying his government paid health insurance for himself and his family for the rest of his life. While that would have been enough to live quite comfortably for most of us he immediately went out and got a job as a lobbyist for big banking. Now he lobbies his former colleagues on behalf of one of the biggest banks in the world (I forget which one) and what he's lobbying for certainly isn't in the best interest of the American consumer. Now WE'RE whining but he's one of the reasons for our whining! Annie
• United States
21 Jul 08
It it just so frustrating when those on the right stick their head in sand and blame the American people for all the problems that exist today. The Bush Administration never accepts responsibility for their actions and their followers don't recognize that things have gotten much worse over the last 8 years. Things were great during the Clinton Administration. That is why it was said that he would have easily won a 3rd term if he was able to run. No one in their right mine would vote for George Bush if he could run for a 3rd term. He's done so much harm to this country. I just hope that the damage can be reverse in a reasonable amount of time. Lloyd
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• United States
21 Jul 08
Economist and former U.S. Sen. Phil Gramm is vice chairman of UBS Investment Bank and has lobbied Congress on the company's behalf. UBS has been hit hard by the U.S. housing and mortgage meltdowns. The investment banking and mortgage industry has lobbied for less regulation in past years and is worried about potential federal actions to address the housing subprime bust. Arizona is one of the hot spots for the slow housing market and problems with subprime mortgages. McCain counts Gramm as one of his top economic advisers. Gramm advocates tax cuts, supply-side economics and less government regulation. IT'S THESE POLICIES THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE MORTGAGE PROBLEMS WE ARE FACING TODAY. FINANCIAL INSTITUION HAVE BE DEREGULATED, LEAVING PEOPLE PREY TO THE MORTGAGE PREDATORS. Democrats point to Gramm's UBS ties as another example of McCain's links to lobbyists and the interests they represent. Two of McCain's top campaign aides, Charlie Black and Rick Davis, have lobbying backgrounds. A handful of lobbyists working on the campaign have stepped down after facing questions about their representation of business interests and foreign governments. Other McCain economic advisers include former U.S. Rep. Jack Kemp, former Hewlett-Packard Co. CEO Carly Fiorina and private equity executive Gerry Parsky. A McCain Presidency would be very similiar to the Bush Presidency. Lloyd
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
21 Jul 08
Annie, It sounds from some of your posts on this discussion that things are pretty rough financially around your house. I have to wonder though how much tougher it will be if Obama is elected and even manages to get half of his proposals passed. Absolutely all of his proposals come with an extremely high price tag which will inevitably increase almost everyone's taxes regardless of his promises to cut taxes for the middle class. I believe you have some right to complain (probably more than most) but I also believe the man you so totally support, if elected, will make some of your future problems a little self-inflicted.
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@anniepa (27251)
• United States
24 Jul 08
In what way will my problems increase if Obama is elected? This is an absolutely sincere question because I don't see what will be worse for my family and me if Obama is elected than it's been under Bush or would be under McCain. One thing that will help a bit is Obama's promise to eliminate all taxes for senior citizens whose income is under $50,000 per year. It won't be a fortune but for my mom it will be the difference of about two months gas heating bills so that will be a big deal. We are going through a tough time right now and I really don't mean to be a whiner at all but my whole "circle" including all branches of my family, my husband's family and my son-in-law's family have all always been very hardworking people and include many veterans and current members of the military. None of us have EVER been freeloaders, in other words. Thank you for not "attacking" me as you know some conservatives (obviously not all) probably would have if give the chance. Annie
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
25 Jul 08
Annie, Even though Obama might cut out taxes on seniors making less than 50 thousand (which I might add would be one of the only things I agree with him on)the across the board increases he proposes to the wealthy (which include the people who control prices on food, gas, everyday staples etc)would far override the cuts senior citizens get on their taxes. I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand, especially someone as educated and intelligent as Obama seems to be, but, there is no way you can overtax the wealthy, period! It will always come back to bite the middle class in the butt (excuse my french)! What affects the business owners' bottom line directly affects the average houshold's budget, it's that simple! Believe me when I tell you that these guys/gals at the top (Walmart, Exxon/Mobile and all of the others we depend on for everyday needs) don't care about how much Obama increases their taxes simply because they have a way to recoup them--that would be you and me!
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@suspenseful (40314)
• Canada
19 Jul 08
I had the Democrats anyway. They are like the Liberals up here in Canada and liberal and libertine come from the same Latin root. I do believe there should be an intelligent discussions about America's economic problems, and for someone to make a statement like that, shows he is not thinking of America but only of his own personal pride. Bur if the Democrats want to attack former Senator Phil Gramm and not debate with Senator McCain, then maybe the Democrats should stop shooting off their mouths and let the debate begin --after all, with all the media supporting Obama, I thought that one party government was in dictatorships, not America.
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@anniepa (27251)
• United States
19 Jul 08
We've been pretty much living under a dictatorship for the past seven years with the "Decider" in office. As for Gramm, can't you see he's using the Democrats as an excuse for his exit, which I'm not sure if he was voluntary or not? Let's face it, when someone says something as asinine as what Gramm says there's bound to be a lot of discussion about it. I can't think of anything positive to say about his remarks and since criticism and disagreement seems to equal "attack", I guess that's what has been going on. Annie
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@anniepa (27251)
• United States
20 Jul 08
I'm in a small town in Pennsylvania, not the inner-city, which I realize it's even much worse there than it is here but it's not so great here, believe me. I've heard the northwest U.S. is one place where things aren't quite as bad as in the northeast and some other parts of the country but honestly, I don't see Americans in general as a bunch of cry-babies. There are some, I'm not denying that, and there are others who don't know how to manage money and who do try to live beyond their means, but those aren't the people I'm talking about. Gramm definitely should NOT have said what he did, that's for sure, and I really think it's going to hurt McCain whether Gramm is gone or not since he was the economic adviser. I think the root of the problem with people like Gramm and McCain is the only people they know are the ones who have everything they could ever need and they sincerely can't identify with those who have worked their butts off their entire life and have little or nothing to show for it. I have to tell you, I stay with my 91 year old mother to care for her and last winter when I had to fight with the gas company because they'd shut us off because her check didn't go far enough to pay the total of the $2000+ it had cost to heat her house, I guess some would say I was whining! She has to have oxygen 24/7 and she has to have air-conditioning in the summer because she has CPOD so the electric bill is quite high all year around despite our best efforts to conserve. The house is big, old and airy so despite keeping the upstairs bedrooms closed off it's very expensive to heat. I won't bore you anymore with all these details but suffice it to say we do the best we can with what we have and we've never gotten any handouts from anyone but it's just frustrating when the money you have just isn't enough for the essentials anymore and I know I'm not alone, far from it. There are whiners and there are lazy freeloaders here in this country but those people are now the exception rather than the rule. People like McCain and Gramm honestly don't know people like my mom and me exist! Annie
@Taskr36 (13923)
• United States
20 Jul 08
The problem with subordinates saying stupid things is that the candidate gets screwed no matter what he or she does. If you keep the person, then everyone assumes you agree with them regardless of your statements. If you fire them, everyone says you threw him under the bus despite all the help he's given you. Now, even when a man makes it clear he's resigning to help the candidate avoid such mudslinging, people still claim he's being thrown under the bus. Sometimes there's just no way you could possibly win. Note, I'm not saying this is limited to how McCain is treated. I was surprised how many people said Obama threw Reverend Wright under the bus. That guy was a racist who deserved to be thrown under the bus and wasn't dropped until after he claimed that Obama agreed with him and was saying otherwise because it might hurt his campaign. Clinton was also accused of throwing Geraldine Ferraro under the bus when she resigned.
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@anniepa (27251)
• United States
24 Jul 08
No argument from me on this one. Even if somebody isn't a "surrogate" or working for the campaign or directly involved with it they get all kinds of grief. This year each candidate has hundreds of supporters who show up on what's starting to seem like hundreds of political talk shows so whenever one of these supporters says something stupid or offensive completely on their own the candidate is going to get the grief for it. However, in Gramm's case he was an official economic adviser so he really shouldn't have said what he said; I understand he's still going to be in a high position deling with the economy if McCain is elected, this according to Steve Forbes. Annie
@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
22 Jul 08
Some one needed to say it. It's true, we HAVE become a nation of whiners and whimps. Spineless, snivling cowards who have become blatantly apathetic to controlling our destinies and lives. Yes we have issues, YES there is trouble. But we have been much worse off. We look to the government to hand us solutions and our living instead of buckling down and making the tough choices our grandfathers and father's made. They would be turning in their grave to hear the reports. To read a paper, you would think we are some third world nation. Quit crying America, have a little pride, stand up, get off your arses and run your own lives.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
19 Jul 08
It doesn't really matter whether he quit or was fired. The Dems should get over it. Instead of being afraid of what McCain proposes, they should take a good look at the tax increases Obama proposes. They scare me - a bunch. You know, Phil Gramm is absolutely right. We ARE a nation of whiners. There are plenty of people who would love to have the "stuff" that we have, the freedoms, the jobs. And the fact that we whine about not having enough is what makes other countries not only not take us seriously, but think we're spoiled rotten children.
@anniepa (27251)
• United States
19 Jul 08
The Dems should get over WHAT? And WHAT tax increases that Obama proposes? McCain scares ME a REAL bunch. His sick sense of humor alone could be enough to get us all killed if his forgetfulness doesn't. I agree there will always be people who whine even when they have everything the could ever want but right now most of us have a lot of reason to whine. And it's not "mental"! Annie
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