The role of sodomy in this years election.

@II2aTee (2559)
United States
July 24, 2008 10:11am CST
I have to admit I have not been following the Presidential campaigns very much. Maybe you fellow MyLottians can answer a question for me. What are the McCain and Obama's positions on gay marriage? I know this issue will be on the ballot in November, and there will no doubt be a media frenzy in the following months, just like every election year. Also, will this issue be a deciding facor for you as you head for the voting booth?
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12 responses
• United States
24 Jul 08
They have both said "NO" to gay marriages, which I find kind of sad. Why can't we just let some people have a freedom that doesn't hurt anyone at all. When I go to the ballot this year I will not vote McCain OR Obama. I will vote for Ron Paul, just like I did in the Pennsylvania primaries. I'm not going to go along with the "lesser of the evils" bulls**t. I will just vote for who I see fit
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
24 Jul 08
i dont vote. bush`s appointment into office proved wholeheartedly that it doesnt matter wtf ya vote for anyways. waste of time that.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
24 Jul 08
I'll give any candidate that opposes DOMA brownie points. However, there's more to it than that for me, which is why I'm not voting for either of them. I want a candidate whose policies are as close to the constitution as possible. So you can see why I wouldn't vote for anyone who agrees with that unconstitutional piece of toilet paper they call the Defense of Marriage Act.
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@underdogtoo (9579)
• Philippines
25 Jul 08
There are many things that need to be uncovered about the positions of the candidates. They should be forthcoming about these so people can decide who they want to represent them.
@skinnychick (6905)
• United States
24 Jul 08
Good question and come to think of it, it will be a deciding factor. But of course I don't know the answer to your question. Off to investigate. Where's my friend Annie when I need her, I'm sure she knows...
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• United States
24 Jul 08
There she is, thanks hun! This was my gut instinct without looking it up. I'm pretty sure no Republican would ever condone gay unions just by party affiliation. This is precisely one of the reasons McCain needs to stay out!! Thanks Annie!
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• United States
24 Jul 08
Neither are for gay-marriage. Obama is in favor of domestic partnerships and legal recognition of gay unions. He is apposed to the ballot proposal in California which says a marriage is between a man and a woman because he fears it will remove protections Gays and Lesbians have under domestic partnerships. It can't be a deciding factor for me - I won't vote for another Republican war monger who has a laise faire attitude towards the economy and wants to lower the taxes for only the wealthy. I was a Hillary supporter but I guess I'll vote for Obama over McCain any day.
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@lilaidi (155)
• United States
25 Jul 08
My choice is for Obama, I feel the same way that do about gay marriage because of my spiritual beliefs. However I am torn up over this economy and the fact that there needs to be progress inside of our education and health care systems. Those are the issues most important to me economy&poverty, education and health care.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
24 Jul 08
I think my friend Cyntrow did a great job of explaining both candidates' positions on gay marriage so I really have nothing to add on that. However, I'd like to say I think it's really sad that no candidate throughout the primaries from either party had the ba11s to come out and say he or she support gay MARRIAGE, not civil unions, legal rights or any of that stuff which would of course be included in a gay marriage. I'm a straight woman who has been married to the same man for 38 years but I just don't get why people are so opposed to gay couples having the same opportunity to commit to each other by marriage as straight couples do if they choose to do so. The name "Defense of Marriage Act" sounds stupid to me! What does "marriage" need "defending" from anyway? We have straight couples getting drunk and getting married in Vegas as a joke and b we have straight couples breaking their vows and commitments to each other every day but the institution of marriage needs defending from gay couples who truly love each other and are totally committed and faithful to each other? We have religions that forbid divorce even if a couple is miserable together and even if there's abuse and infidelity, but two men or two women marrying "demeans marriage"? I just don't get it! Sadly, I know in every election there are voters who go into the voting booth and make their decision based on this issue or other similarly unimportant ones in the scheme of things. Again, I don't get it! With all the pressing issues that face us - the wars, security, the economy, energy costs, energy independence, health care, education, immigration, privacy violations - whichever side you're on in any of these issue, why would anyone cast their vote based on what someone else may or may not do in their private lives? Annie
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@fiona08 (454)
• United States
25 Jul 08
I really wish that Obama would support gay marriage. It is a subject I find important. I think we are moving in the right direction, but I will not be happy until we are all able to be joined in the SAME kind of union. I think it is ridiculous that religion can dictate something that should be a given, granted by the government. I don't care what individual churches do within their organizations, but our government should afford the same rights to all adult human beings. I will still vote for Obama, because I like his positions on many other issues, and I don't think this one topic is enough to justify voting for a lesser qualified third party candidate. We have to keep letting our voices be heard, until the people decide this issue in the only way that is fair, and just. I think it will happen. If Obama's position were to be anti-civil unions, I would not be able to vote for him, regardless of his other positions, but I think he is for equality of all people, for the most part. Hopefully he can be swayed on this one big issue.
@jstaubin (423)
• United States
25 Jul 08
They are both against it. I have to say that if it was a deciding factor for me then I would not be voting this year. Or for many years to come I am sorry to say. While I support gay people having the same rights as the rest of us there are to many people that are against it and lets face it politics are a popularity contest and politians are not going to go against what they think the majority of people are thinking or they wont get the power that they are seeking.
25 Jul 08
Not really something I would think about. I suppose it is sad that they can't give people the choice, and let's face it there will be gay couples no matter what you do.
• United States
25 Jul 08
You have got to be kidding! Take a look at the world out there and understand that 'gay marriage' is not be the top priority of anything - who really cares? Homophobe is what you are. When China takes over (because they now own us) will you really be saying "duh - what do they think of gay marriage". Get beyond it! If gays are stupid enough to want to get married - let them. It only means more money for divorce lawyers - and that is all America is about - how to get, keep, and spend money. Unbridles greed. What about the homeless, jobless, hungry...Grow up. Get out there and make a difference in the world.
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
25 Jul 08
You missunderstand. I was attempting to create an open and free exchange of ideas and opinions. If I show bias one way or another I find it spoils the results. I agree with you that there are much more important issues to be dealt with. However, this happens to be a very important issue for me because I -am- a gay man, in a long term committed relationship with my partner of 6 years. We would very much like to get married one day. I am glad you are in support of gay rights, however it would behoove us all to save the venom and personal attacks. We should not stoop to thier level. I would suggest reading the context of my post. No where did I attack anyones views one way or another in an attempt to demonstrate how I would like to conduct this discussion. People on BOTH sides of this issue to need open their ears and their hearts if we are to progress.
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• United States
25 Jul 08
Perhaps I did take the question in the wrong context but.. it is labeled 'the role of sodomy...' I just don't think the government should be in the bedroom and I do get a little frustrated that this is even an issue. I am Canadian and will not vote in this election. But as a Canadian, I have no issues with gays or abortion or any of the other attempts to limit the freedoms of people. I do not understand why people are so hung up on marriage in this country. I married an American (2nd for both of us) and he was really into the marriage thing. Everyone we know wanted to know when we were getting married. He really wanted to get married. So I said OK. Now I have no rights - I have to get 'permission' every time I want to buy or do something. Marriage in America traps you - you are not your own person anymore. (It was not that way in Canada and we have 'common-law') I am not sure why any one gay or straight would opt to become less of a person. I made a commitment to my partner before we did the marriage thing - and I was much happier. I really do believe that in the grand scheme of things - there are issues of more importance. Gay marriage should be a non-issue. On the whole, I find that America is still in the dark ages and has an over inflated view of itself. On the whole, the country is racist, bigoted, greedy, war mongering. and mean.
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
25 Jul 08
Now your talking my language :) The only thing I was confussed about was how you thought I was homophobic. I didnt state one way or another. I titled it "The role of sodomy" as a joke. Like the American government has been sodomizing gays for a very long time now. As far as marriage being a trap - its a trap with many benifits. After 6 strong years of love and commitment, I am "trapped" with my parter either way... and I love every moment of it :) You have to ask for permission to buy things? That sounds to me like something that would be wroked out in your relationship... I havent seen any kind of laws saying that you have to ask your spouse before you make a move...
@baileycows (3665)
• United States
25 Jul 08
yes, gay marriages and abortions are on my list of things that I will not vote for. It should raise concern in the media when these things are voted for.
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@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
25 Jul 08
Bailey your response was respectfull and to the point. We do not agree on either of these issues but I thank you for adding depth to my discussion. Your views are shared by many Americans. However, the opposit also applies. I happen to have a personal interest in how the votes will speak in November. Thank God we live in America, where we are free to disagree.
• United States
25 Jul 08
Are you a woman? I can't believe any human being would opt for women bleeding and dying in the back alleys with coat hangers stuck up them. What kind of person are you? Where will you be when the child is neglected, abused, and tortured? Watching the football game - I bet. What a prince you are. Maybe I wouldn't get an abortion, but I could never deny another human being the right to safe medical care.