Do you know this man?

United States
July 28, 2008 3:04pm CST
Jiddu Krishamurti (born in 1895 and died in 1986) was, to me, one of the most fascinating individuals who has lived in the past 100 yrs. He was spiritual without being religious. He tried to teach people a different way to think. He did not identify himself as having any nationality or theology, and spent his life traveling around the world speaking to basically anyone who wanted to listen without regard to who they were, what they had or what they believed. I personally do not think he was a genius or infalable by any stretch. Just a very unique individual. Krishnamurti would not accept "followers" or "worshippers". He saw the relationship between a disciple and a religious teacher as the complete opposite of spiritual freedom. He thought that it created dependency and opened the door to exploitation. In his talks he always encouraged people to think independently and clearly while exploring the reasons behind the way people think. He described the concept of truth as: "Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, nor through any philosophical knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation, and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a sense of security—religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these dominates man's thinking, relationships and his daily life. These are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man in every relationship." In my personal opinion, he probably got as close to true clear thinking as anyone can get. I do not always agree with his concepts in all areas, but it always makes me explore my own thoughts which is exactly the point he always tried to get across to the people.... think for yourself, think clearly and understand why you think the way you do. One of my all time favorite quotes from Krishnamurti from his book "Freedom From The Known": "When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind." Before his death in 1986, he instructed his supporters not to interpret or change his teachings in any way. He did not want a "religion" to be based on his teachings. So true to his wishes, his non-profit foundation has in no way changed or "preached" anything he ever said. He wrote many books and they remain intact along with all of his video taped talks and transcriptions of his speeches. When people ask the question "If you could spend 1 day with one person from history, who would it be?", he would definitely be on my top 10 list. You might wonder why I chose to put this into the "religion" category. Well, over the last year that I've been on myLot I have seen an incredible amount of conflict in the category and I find it very disturbing in many ways. I just want people to THINK. I have found personal connection with Krishnamurti's teachings (just one of many people I admire) in that, being a Pantheist myself, I am very spiritual and find an intense spiritual connection to the Universe and everything in it, but I follow no religion. This has made me happier and more content than I have ever been in my life. There IS such a thing as spirituality without religion and I wanted to present that concept and see what people thought about it. I am not trying to convert anyone to anything, I do not condemn religion in general. But you mention religion in conversation and some people just lose their minds and cease to think clearly. And THAT bothers me. If you would like to read more here are some links to some of his works. http://tchl.freeweb.hu/ this is a collection of his writings. http://www.kfa.org/ this is the Krishnamurti Foundation of America To make this a discussion, I will ask for respectful commentary on how you see spirituality. Do you only connect spirituality with a "religion" or do you think that they can be two separate concepts?
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12 responses
• India
29 Jul 08
Being an India, I have of course heard of Jiddu Krishnamurthy as being one of India’s most illustrious spiritual leaders of present times. But I had not studied him in depth or thought of his teachings, till now. however, I looked him up and from your post too, I think my way of spiritual understanding is somewhat akin to what he preached. I would not say that I have reached that upper echelons of thought, understanding and consciousness where man-made boundaries cease to exist for me, but to me spirituality is certainly THE WAY to reach my soul, and not religion. I respect all religions, am curious about all teachings (just as I would be curious about different food cultures) and would like to know more about people around the globe but daily worship or figures or pictures are not for me. Rather the starlit sky is my temple, meditation my ritual and trying to reach out to a magnified consciousness – my way of praying. But let me also say that till now I am hopeless at it. Juggling family and career, I am not being able to give this pursuit its deserved time and seriousness. Ideally, I would have liked to join some organization in order to debate and discuss with like-minded individual but I just don’t have the time right now to first separate the chaff from the grain and then go ahead. Maybe when my priorities do change, I will take the plunge.
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• United States
29 Jul 08
Hello Sudipta! I, like you, enjoy learning about other cultures, religions and lifestyles and do my best to be respectful to all. It's rare that any of us have the time to study a subject as much as we would like but I think what you have accomplished is admirable not hopeless. Debate and discussion is, I agree, ideal but personally I don't think it's necessary. When I look at a starry sky, smell a flower, pet a cat, admire a tree, or view a winding river I feel that connection to the Universe. I find that type of reverence enough to satisfy my spirituality. Thanks very much for stopping by and adding to my discussion!
@addysmum (1225)
• Canada
28 Jul 08
This is a great topic and brings to the people here an understanding of a truly beautiful and profound person. While the concept of being spiritual and religious seem to many to go hand in hand it is amazing just how many people don't really understand or practice just what that means. I personally find that on average once a person finds religion they get so caught up in the he said she said that they loss the real meaning of what they where attracted to to begin with. To me being religious is not right or wrong but the way people put the skills and ideas taught to them in their religion to use that makes it wrong. I will not call myself religious, I will not give myself any title based on any religious group. I am a student of the universe, a student of the creator, I am a minister of truth and righteousness but I am not self righteous. I know that I have a lot to offer people in knowledge and still have a lot to learn from those who have an even greater relationship with the creator. I am a spiritual person guided by my faith and understanding of the universe and it energy and balance.
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• United States
28 Jul 08
Thanks so much for your comments addysmum! It's very refreshing to see people who actually like to think clearly and independently. It's also good to know that there are those who know the difference between spirituality and religion, that they can work together or separately. Wonderful comments and applause to you!
@novataylor (6570)
• United States
28 Jul 08
Jiddu Krishnamurti. I had never heard of him till now, craftcatcher and I thank you so much for introducing me! I completely agree that spirituality doesn't have much at all to do with religion - in fact, some of the most religious people I have known have been the ones who seem so lacking in spirituality. I love how he says that saying you are christian or muslim or democratic or baptist smacks of violence, I really know what he's saying! Wow. I'm so curious about him now, cc, and I intend to check out the links you provided. It's really rare to find anyone who has similar spiritual belief as myself, and you've gone and just dropped this guy right on my lap! So thank you so much for that, darlin. I wasn't raised with much religion, cc. My mother was always irreverent and didn't have any patience or love lost for the church in any form. My father was a Tennessee Church of Christ kind of guy, but he wasn't that into it, and he pretty much went along with my mother. So I'd go to church sometimes with my dad, because I loved singing the hymns, and sometimes, very long ago, he would do the preaching. That always blew me away, my daddy up there preaching. But wow, that was when I was a very small child. Anyway, I've grown up figuring it out for myself, figuring out what I feel inside and what I believe in the core of my self. ANd I've never known what to call it, so I don't call it anything. I just always say I have no religion, which is true, cuz I don't. But recently, there was a test put in one of the discussions here as to what religion you most closely matched. It was quite an involved test, with many questions, posed very interestingly, and if you like, I can try to find it again in my old responses. ANyway, I took this test, and here are the top 5 religions I most closely match. 1. neo-pagan 100% 2. Mahayana Buddhism 95% 3. Unitarian Universalism 90% 4. New Age 87% 5. Liberal Quakers 84%Now, I'm not completely sure as to what the%'s mean, but I think they must mean that, like in the neo-pagan one, 100% of my answers fit into that particular religion. ANd so on. I found it very interesting. And I'll tell you, I have no idea what Neo-paganism is, but evidently, the neo-pagans and I think very much alike. Finding this out isn't going to change a thing though. I suppose it's possible I might do some further checking into this neo-pagan thing, but I rather doubt it. However, Krishnamurti holds a bit more interest for me. Thank you for this discussion, cc, it's a thought-provoking and very well-written piece. I'm glad we're friends too, btw. I'm looking forward to getting to know you better. So, for now, take care, and most of all, HAVE FUN, darlin. I'll see you out there! (damn! I tried to put the smile emoticon here, but Mylot's decided that I can't post emotes, since I have to rach a rank of 200 to use them. Um, aren't I well over a thousand? Ah well. Please imagine one here, ok, because I'm definitely sending one your way.)
• United States
28 Jul 08
I am so glad you stopped by Nova! And especially glad that you found the discussion so thought provoking.... just what I wanted! I ran it up the ol' flagpole to see who would salute so to speak. You know what, I've taken that same test on Beliefnet and my results were almost identical to yours! As I said in my original post I am a Pantheist but took the test just to see how they'd "tag" me. Seems that "Pantheist" wasn't on their list but the closest "religion" they could come up with was Neo-Paganism. They are very similar with the biggest difference being Neo-Paganism is more of a "religion" where Pantheism is more a spiritual philosophy. Here's the page that introduced me to Pantheism a while back... it knocked my socks off girl I'm telling ya. Finally got to put a name to what I've believed for a very long time. And then to find out that other people had the same philosophy well.... it made the world a little more cozy for me http://www.pantheism.net/paul/index.htm Take a read and let me know what you think! It's pretty short and if you found this discussion interesting then I think you will find that page interesting too. I'm very glad we are myLot friends now too and I think that we are going to run into each other quite often from now on! Thanks again hon!
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@littleowl (7157)
28 Jul 08
Hello CraftCatcher..this is a very interesting discussion..Krishnamurti's teachings sound wonderful he must of had such inner calm and peace and sounds like a wonderful person..personally spiritualty I see as either two concepts or one. The first being that spirituality is and can be connected to religion many people see it this way as we all know..but the second I see spirituality as one in the sense that we are all spiritual beings and that spirit will live on we do not have to have a faith/religion to be connected to spirit at all as spirit will come to us when they are ready and we will meet with them when we pass on..bright blessings littleowl
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• United States
29 Jul 08
Hi Littleowl! I'm glad you found the discussion interesting. It really is amazing to me how he became the person he did. He had an extremely abusive father and because he didn't speak much as a child his teachers called him stupid and weak. To overcome all that to be one of the greatest teachers of how to achieve world peace... well he was a very special man, no doubt. Thanks so much for stopping by and your contribution to the discussion.
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@Lakota12 (42681)
• United States
28 Jul 08
OF course more than one concept and I beleive in the spirit of things like the heavens and the Mother earth and all of nature. There is beauty all around us and to me that is more truer than most religions.
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• United States
28 Jul 08
...beauty is truth and truth beauty....
@Lakota12 (42681)
• United States
29 Jul 08
thanks couldnt have said it any better
• United States
29 Jul 08
Hello Lakota my friend! So glad you came by to add to the discussion. You always have such a "to the point" way about you that I truely enjoy. You are a treasure. Thanks so much hon.
@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
29 Jul 08
Fascinating. I will certainly be doing much more reading about this man. Thank you very much for presenting this to the MyLot community. We can only hope the people who need to see it, will see it. From a personal standpoint, this gentlmans spiritual views coincide with mine. When I was younger I would have told you I was Wiccan. But, as time went on and I began to search my own feelings and values I came to realize that I cannot belong to any one religion - much of the reason being what Jiddu has told us. I wish I had heard of him sooner. I shy away from all organized religions because I believe my spiritual path is mine alone... unique. I would not expect anyone to follow my footsteps because they have different lessons to learn than I do. If anyone would like to walk along side me I welcome the company. But we will all need to find own own personal truths, on our own time. CC- I just want to thank you once again for enriching my life and MyLot with these words of wisdom. My mind is still going at 100 MPH because of that message you sent me... You really know how to set my gears to cranking and I truely appreciate that :) All my best, Tee
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• United States
29 Jul 08
Hey Tee! I'm so glad you stopped by. I wish I had heard of him long ago too, I think my life would have been much richer, by far. I was studying some articles on Transhumanism of all things when I saw his name for the first time. That was only about 6 months ago. After I started reading from his works, I was hooked. I place him right up there with Confusius, Plato and Spinoza for making people think in a new way. Nice to know there's a fellow traveler who can walk the "pathless land" with me and actually understands what that means. I've been very encouraged by the responses so far. I'm glad you got my message and it got the gears cranking. Not many would have even read it but I had a feeling about you, you're a very special person Tee! Hugs
@mksneha (862)
• India
29 Jul 08
It was very good information. i am very much inspired after reading this.thanks
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• United States
29 Jul 08
You're very welcome. I'm glad you found it informative! Thanks for your comment.
@tentwo67 (3384)
• United States
29 Jul 08
I had not heard of him before. He sounds wonderful. I definitely believe that religion and spirituality are not mutually exclusive. I tend to think of myself as more spiritual than religious, although I do try to go to church somewhat regularly. I am really interested in learning more about Jiddu K, and I thank you for this post
• United States
29 Jul 08
You're very welcome. I'm glad you found it interesting and thanks very much for your comments! He really was a fascinating person with a unique perspective on life.
28 Jul 08
Hi crafrcatcher, What a wonderful person and his way of thinking wa brilliant, if more people think the way he did this worl would be a better place, I know we all have choices in life where we want to go follow who we want to but most people are like sheep with a sherped follow like sheep and go where the sherperd lead you to go. I am a free spirit myself and do not follow religion although I was brought as catholic but as soon as I have my own mind that was it I went away from it. I like the space and the trees, I love nature and thats the I go even if people think me strange like my family I go my own way and that the path I follow, no one elses. Tamara
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@skinnychick (6906)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I hadn't heard of this man until this very interesting discussion. I think that religion and spirituality are 2 totally different concepts. I'm not a religious person but Iam a spiritual one. I believe there is something greater than us but I just don't know what it is, my firmest belief is that it's spririts who lived before us that are linked to us in some way. To me, spirituality is all about your soul and the spirit that your inner self possesses and religion is about believeing in something else that has a name and a face, usually. I'm a good person even though I do not believe in a Christian God or really any god for that matter. My heart and my soul are good despite of that and that is where spirituality comes into play.
• United States
30 Jul 08
Happy you stopped by skinnychick! I'm glad you found it interesting. Sounds like we both feel that spirituality and having a good heart are the right way for us. Thanks so much for your comment, I appreciate hearing other people's take on religion and spirituality.
• United States
30 Jul 08
It really was a great discussion to be a part of. By the way, you rock girl! Great music!
• United States
31 Jul 08
Thanks! Wait til I get some video of our new band! It's gonna be very cool and it will definitely rock!
@raydene (9874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Hi Doll I also consider a favorite I have a long list of those I admire for living an extremely unique life. Thanks for the link. xoxoxoxoo
• United States
31 Jul 08
Hey there Raydene! He was most definitely unique. It's hard to find anyone who has ever heard of him so I'm glad you have. Thanks so much for stopping by and adding to the discussion!
@fiona08 (454)
• United States
29 Jul 08
Thanks so much for the introduction. I am definitely interested in exploring Jiddu Krishamurti's philosophies. I have always been a very spiritual person. I feel I have a spiritual connection to the universe, nature, and to humanity. I am interested in religion, and am comforted by the thought of a supreme being, but so far, I have not found what I am looking for, so far as organized religion is concerned. I am more concerned about the way we, as human beings treat each other, than in what church we each attend, or don't attend. Thanks again for your post.
• United States
30 Jul 08
Hi Fiona, thanks for stopping by and you are most welcome! It takes time to find what you're looking for sometimes. And then again, you may have already found it. A clear night sky or a beautiful forest setting can be the perfect "church". Best of luck in your search and thanks again