Is there a subject called use of the English language?

@Ritz100 (1169)
Yecla, Spain
July 28, 2008 5:32pm CST
I keep reading discussions written by US, UK and other English speaking members and repeatedly see misuse of the English language. I understand a lot of our members are from NON English speaking countries and, in my dressing down here, they are immune, it's not their language, I forgive them. But where the hell were most of you educated? I adore the English language, it can be so expressive, if used correctly it can say anything from your heart to your head. TAKE NOTE: There is no such word as "ALOT", it niggles the hell out of me when I see it used again and again, it's "A LOT" Please, if you have an education that includes English language as your FIRST language, use it properly. My question is, have I posted this in the right subject area? And how do you feel about being told off? (and yes I know you are all going to check out my future discussions to make sure I don't make any mistakes)
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
28 Jul 08
Grammar is a better word for what your looking for. Your from Spain and have your own dialect and slang that is different from any other Spanish speaking countries. America is the same. We have southerners, northerners, and in between. A lot of the things we type here are coming from our own heritage and the way we speak. I use "reckon" or "I guess" to mean "I suppose". I don't type it here to often, but I still use it. All I'm saying is don't insult us unless your ready to be insulted yourself. I appreciate the discussion, Que Tenga Sendia. I know that mylot doesn't allow other languages and therefore I will translate for all those who do not understand I said "have a nice day". I'm not sure on the spelling and am not sure on the grammar, but correcting me is your own perogative. I won't disrespect you for it, as I don't disrespect you for this discussion, i'm speaking my mind.
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
29 Jul 08
Oh I know that it was not of Spain, but of South America. My old friend taught me that, or rather, it is always on her voicemail. I appreciate your response, and no yelling, I really didn't mean to be insulting to you in anyway.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
28 Jul 08
Sorry SomeCowgirl, I may appear to be FROM Spain, but I am, in fact, from the UK, born in Germany to an English farther in the army, and my mother tongue is ENGLISH. I only moved to this country when I was widowed, to try to experience something of a different way of life. Hey, you wouldn't know that. You also wouldn't know that I also speak Spanish (after 8 years living here) and what you translated is south american spanish. But I really appreciate your input, please follow me, I am going to be very controversial - I Promise!
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@capirani (2732)
• United States
29 Jul 08
There is nothing wrong with using the words of the region you are from, like "reckon", etc. It is a perfectly good word. I wish I could copy and paste some of the jibberish I find on here. I agree with the original post. This is NOT about those trying to learn the language. There is something else going on here and I would love to know what it is. But it is permeating all areas of the internet and mylot is full of it. I have other responses here so put them all together and maybe you will know what I am talking about. I think the original post was about this problem as well as other grammatical and spelling errors.
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@sudalunts (5523)
• United States
28 Jul 08
It's okay to vent. Sometimes I read discussions and have a hard time understanding what is trying to be said. You see a lot (there's your word) of people using there, instead of their, your instead of you're, no, instead of know, and the list goes on. Granted everyone does not have the same level of education, but spell check will help them out. Have a good day.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
28 Jul 08
Thank you so much for responding, didn't mean to sound mean, lol, play on words and did I spell it right, or write or rite? I love play on words and really am not having a go, just found it interesting!
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@capirani (2732)
• United States
29 Jul 08
For me, the spelling isn't as bad of a problem because I realize there are many people who just can't spell, and others who have trouble typing. I can overlook a few typos and misspelled words. What I have the most difficulty with is the kind of posts that just make no sense. There are a bunch of English words there, but it is like someone just took a bunch of words and threw them at the computer and let them fall anyway they would. And others that don't even have words that even look like words. What is it all about? Is it a new street language or something? Is it something only the young people understand? Then there are those who get all their modifiers misplaced, and you can't tell who or what is being referred to or who did what to whom, etc. When I find one of those posts, I just skip over it. I have even rated some of the worst ones with the minus sign. I mean if you can't even read one sentence and make any kind of sense out of it, how can you rate it with a plus?
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@subha12 (18441)
• India
29 Jul 08
i see you are bothered by how english is used by people in non english speaking nation. May be you will find faults in my response as well. My mother tongue is not english.but I think we should atleast try to express in better way.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
29 Jul 08
Hi subha12, if your read carefully what was asked, I did not take umbridge with people who's language is not English, in fact I expressly said that this was not aimed at non English speaking people. I think you are very brave and I have a lot of time for people who make the effort to communicate, even when it must be difficult. No, my gripe is with those educated in the English language who chose not to make the best of the language they know well. I am sorry if I appeared to offend in any way.
@capirani (2732)
• United States
29 Jul 08
I so agree with you! It is so hard to even try to make sense out of some of the so-called English posted in some of these discussions. All of the little pet peeves I used to have about incorrect English and grammar are insignificant in the light of how people are writing now. I can't imagine how any of them can get through high school for those who are still in school, or college, or how they managed to graduate if they are older than that and still writing such bad prose. One of the simple demolitions of an English word is the "new" version of the word "probably" and changing it into "prolly". Come on now! That is just wrong! I know that before I ever got a computer and the internet, I used to write long hand-written letters. I had two good friends in other states and we used to write to each other every week. Once I got the internet, that gradually faded out of the picture and I don't even have contact with either of them anymore. My handwriting has gotten worse since I don't use it as much. And it can be tempting to use the various chat abbreviations when writing emails and other kinds of writing. But I respect the language too much and I try to make sure that what I write is grammatically correct, at least as much as I can. I was offline for a few years and before I lost the internet writing wasn't like this. Now that I am back, it just seems to be getting worse and worse out there. I am even seeing very careless errors on professional websites. What is going on here?
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@capirani (2732)
• United States
30 Jul 08
LOL. You don't know how much more I work to try to perfect my grammar when posting about grammar. Thanks for your response. I was just glad to find someone else who thinks like I do here. I wish sometimes I could copy and paste some of the examples on here to accentuate what the problem is.
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@Wizzywig (7847)
28 Jul 08
I think 'alot' could just be a 'typo'. (I hadn't noticed it in any discussion on here.) Sometimes my keyboard doesn't register my finger hitting the space bar. It doesn't really bother me if people use incorrect grammar or spelling on a site like this as long as I can understand what they are saying. I feel that the content is more important. At school, we were told off by our English Language teacher for starting a sentence with either 'and' or 'but', so I really don't mind if you also want to tell me off.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
28 Jul 08
I can assure you that if you look closely, everybody spells it alot. You see, I remember being told off severely, when checking marketing docs, (proof reading) many years ago, and I missed it, I have been aware ever since. I am very grateful that I am able to say anything about it today, here, and people respond and listen. Thanks Wizzywig, and I think YOUR name is very appropriate in this case. Good!!!
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@shamzy18 (2316)
28 Jul 08
well theres a section on interest called talking which this may go under but it can go under people too .. and yeah english is basically my first language but i sometimes dont write properly this is because of texting and being on msn trying to write as short and quickly as possible so its not that i dont know how to spell its just when im typing or texting i write things differently sometimes.. but since i know you are meant to write properly here i have been trying to do that so im sorry if i do ever write anything wierdly .. but anyways every one needs a telling off once in a while so im not bothered have a good day or night bye
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
28 Jul 08
Love your comment, I love texting too, have a friend who cant type fast so I invited her to do text language to me on yahoo messenger, boy does that get her out of my hair quicker, and has negated the need for me to talk for hours to her on the phone. Yeh, there is something to be said for mis-spelling. Oops, did I spell that right? Thanks so much for your input. Oh boy this is fun!
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@Darkwing (21583)
29 Jul 08
I don't mind being told off for my mistakes, and sometimes, I have to admit, I abuse the English language by using slang. Yes, you've posted in a reasonable area, and no, I'm not going to check out your future discussions for mistakes. Once I've finished with this discussion, it will be forgotten and I shall move on to the next. I think there's a distinct possibility that when you see the word "alot" it has been mistyped, or the space bar missed. It's not always misuse. We all make mistakes my friend. Brightest Blessings.
@Darkwing (21583)
1 Aug 08
I don't think so, my friend. We're all entitled to our opinion and yes, misuse can be frustrating at times. I guess we're all so used to the "Queen's" English in this country that we hate to see any change in it. For example, I can never understand a word the Geordies are saying!
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
I probably made the biggest mistake by starting this discussion. Thanks for your input.
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@katty0004 (386)
• United States
29 Jul 08
I think people write the way they talk . Some states have more slang than other states. Plus I know when I am typing that my brain moves faster than my fingers . But I can usually read what they are talking about . As for being told off its a free country do as you like .
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
29 Jul 08
Hi karry0004, it may be a free country in the US, but not all mylotters are USians, and not all are free (hey but that's another subject for another day)! And I'm really not bothered about slang, I've got some too from my original place of upbringing, the UK. It's really about blatent abuse of the language itself. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate your effort.
• Hyderabad, India
29 Jul 08
Hi, It is good to vent out anger at times, but you need to understand that these people are typing words and there is no intellisense involved which can correct these spellings. These things occur, the point is conveying message. Cheers
• Hyderabad, India
30 Jul 08
Yep you have it.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
Thanks for responding choudhary03. Oh, I wasn't feeling angry, only governments and oil companies can evoke that response in me. It was just a niggle and I wanted to see how other people felt about it. I think I have my answer, wouldn't you agree?
@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
29 Jul 08
I'm not from US or UK. I would say I'm not really that perfect when it comes to English so I don't really mind finding some misuse words or any grammatical errors in any post. I myself is not perfect so who am I to judge others. Although using English properly matters, what is more important to me is the thought.
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
29 Jul 08
You are right of course, the whole purpose of a discussion is to put across ones thoughts, and what a fantastic medium mylot is for that. I'm really not trying to judge others here, just wanted to know how others felt about the consistent abuse of a mother tongue. Thank you for your response, it is very much appreciated.
@joliefille (3690)
• Philippines
29 Jul 08
I agree. English had been my favourite subject in school. I admit I do get headaches with spelling and grammar errors in discussions sometimes. I usually jump to another discussion if that's the case.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
29 Jul 08
Thanks for responding joliefille, I am pleased you find English enjoyable, and dont blame you for passing over discussions that have so many errors they give you a headache. And I see you are from Malaysia, your English is lovely. Thank you.
@Wolfechu (1193)
• United States
29 Jul 08
English is actually one of the few languages that doesn't have some sort of regulating official body to determine what's considered 'proper' usage. Unlike, say, French, which has had the Académie française for about 300 years. And, arguably, has been limited and diminished by it, while gaining none of the benefits it intended. They still adopt words from other languages more than they ever coin original words, for instance. English has the largest vocabulary of any language by far, and it's the only one to require a thesaurus; someone who spoke Spanish or Italian exclusively would have no concept of such a thing, or even understand the need for it. It also changes on a regular basis; what you consider 'proper' English now wouldn't be the case 100 years ago, or in another country such as the UK. Conversely, the UK would be considered incorrect in many matters by the US, or Australia. In other words, it's possibly the most complex written language around, and there's not really such a thing as saying 'there's no such word as', really. There was no such word as 'email' a few years ago. Having said that, there are people online who appear to type by standing across the room and throwing random items of furniture at the keyboard. I tend to treat these as I would people with a speech impediment. If they've something that sounds interesting to say, I'll tend to tolerate it, or ask them to clarify something if there's a doubt. If they seem incoherent generally, they probably haven't got my attention to start with. I'm generally much more intolerant of people who are anally retentive about what can and can't be done in public forums, and while I'm not including you on that list (I've seen far worse examples), you need to be careful not to start down that road. No-one likes a Grammar Nazi ;)
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@urbandekay (18278)
29 Jul 08
"standing across the room and throwing random items of furniture at the keyboard." LMAO all the best urban
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@Wolfechu (1193)
• United States
30 Jul 08
Oh, I know you weren't. It makes me twitch too sometimes; I can only compare it seeing a crooked picture, in that I have an urge to straighten it. ;) And no, you're definitely not a Grammar Nazi. I've seen much worse.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
Very long, very well informed and carefully worded response. I love the "throwing random items of furniture at the keyboard" quote. Anyway, just want to say, I'm not trying to be a "Grammar Nazi" I just wanted to start a discussion that would evoke a lot of interesting responses on a subject I am aware of (not anally retentive about.) Thanks for your response, I enjoyed it.
@shinymood (405)
• China
29 Jul 08
I'm a little uneasy responding to your discussion because my Enlgish is not good either. I keep checking word by word while typing. I think every language has its beauty. English is a beautiful and expressive one if one can apply it skillfully. For native speakers, it's far more easier to do so. I've been learning English for almost ten years and I'm still not sure which word or expression to use in a particular situation. I came across a discussion in mylot mentioning the pointer to tell native speakers of English and non-native one is by slang or spoken words. You can see my sentences are long and tedious if you like. But i really try my best to express what i mean.
@capirani (2732)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I think you are writing very well in English so keep it up.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
29 Jul 08
You have clearly made your point here, although I had to read it slowly to understand fully, but you have taken time to write it, so I dont see why I should not take my time to read it. Yes English is beautiful and expressive and the way in which it is abused really makes a mockery of that. I really appreciate your effort to respond and urge you not to be too concerned about any mistakes. I think almost everybody on mylot make allowances for non English speakers, and so they should.
• Spain
29 Jul 08
Oh I do so agree,but it's just as annoying when you hear people attempting to speak it! Don't get me started on spelling and the fact that kids are growing up thinking it's ok to spell everything else as they do in texts
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
Thanks Rose, I remember a young man called Dom, who worked with me, he was a technical support assistant and had to create tickets and type up reports of incidents and their resolutions. Everything was in text speak, and as his manager I found it impossible to track what he was doing. Dont get me wrong, I think SMSing is fantastic, I use it all the time, but not in reports, please!
@urbandekay (18278)
29 Jul 08
Please note that the ‘and’ immediately after the parenthesis in your final lines should be capitalised. Physician heal thyself? All the best urban
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
I wondered who would be the first to point that out! Thanks for responding.
• United States
29 Jul 08
Hi, Ritz! I see that some myLotters have gone off the deep end about your discussion. Don't worry about it. You'll get a lot of replies that way. I know what you were trying to say and I agree with you. Text is fine when you are actually communicating over a cell phone, but not for everyday use. I usually ignore posts by people who use text. Unless you are e.e. cummings, you need to use capitals. There have been several posts recently on this very subject. In that discussion, I was saying that the misuse of prepositions makes me cringe! I can't stand to hear things like "where did you come from" or "what did you do that for" or "where are you at", etc. I'm from the United States and English is my mother tongue (regardless of what those in the UK say). lol I appreciate the language and when I am writing, I try to write in the correct way. Sometimes I may just be expressing myself in a comedic way, but most of the time I follow the rules. I never use spell check, though, so you may see a mistake! Spell check is not my friend. I still remember using it on ten page history of my family. It changed everyone's name; it was nightmare! lol Looking forward to more of your discussions! :)
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
Thanks CherylsPearls for the supportive input, I needed that after all the negatives comments I've had. I'm really not keen on spell check either, because I write in the UK style and spell things like apologise with an 's' not a 'z', spell check always puts a red line underneath. I refuse to change it though, because I am writing the way I was taught, be it right or wrong, I dont consider that a spolling mistook.
@sconibear (8016)
• United States
29 Jul 08
Que sera, sera i sometimes also make mistakes, but this isn't because of a lack of education or of not having spell-check.....it's from over confidence, figuring "I don't make mistakes" and hitting the post response button without even looking at what i just typed, and only then realizing one of my fingers zigged when it should of zagged. some people have different degrees of skills when it comes to spelling and especially when it comes to typing. so, as long as i can understand what they're trying to say, i don't usually have a problem with it, and 99% of the time i'm not going to beat anybody up over it. the thing i find disheartening, is when i think i'm having a discussion with somebody from a third world country that were denied an education, and then i look at their profile and realize they're a teenager or young adult from the USA......Hooray for education anyways, as i said in my in my first line....."what will be, will be" Happy Posting!
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
I know, I do it myself, missing off an s or typing ther instead of there, thats just being a cr.p typist. I understand and appreciate people make mistakes. Thanks for your input, and thanks for the Spanish!
@Elixiress (3878)
29 Jul 08
How do you know if English is someone's first language? Just because they live in a country that is an English speaking country that does not mean that that was their first country and their first language. Also some people make typos and accidentally slip and hit the wrong key and this does not mean that they do not know English, it just means that they made a mistake. We all make mistakes, even you believe it or not. Also some people have learning difficulties such as dyslexia and therefore their written English is not as good as their spoken English, does this mean that they are stupid idiots in your eyes? Personally English is my first and main language and I got a A* and A in English at GCSE level and I have studied it at AS Level. So I am perfectly entitled to criticise people for their bad use of the language, but guess what I do not, because I know that they may have many reasons for not being able to type standard English. And how do I feel about being told off? I do not feel as though I am being told off I feel as though I am doing the telling off as you were just being shallow minded. Obviously knowing that alot is actually a lot is not the be all and end all of being a good person.
@Elixiress (3878)
30 Jul 08
I know that you did not say "stupid idiot" but there was a strong tone of looking down on people that do not reach your standard when it comes to the English language and if you look down on someone, then you think they are inferior or an idiot. Also it was aimed at mylotters as you are posting it here and using the phrase, "And how do you feel about being told off?" therefore it is aimed at us as we are the ones being told off, not these people writing the professional letters as they are not here to receive the telling off.
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
In reply to your eloquent and evidently defensive response, I feel I should point out that, at no stage, did I say anyone was a "stupid idiot," I just don't feel that way about people. It was just the one niggle, and I have seen "alot" on marketing documents and so called professional pages, this was not meant as a criticism of mylotters. I apologise if I aroused any negative feelings in you and would like to say that my school results in English were appalling, my first language was German, up to the age of 7, and I had to work very hard to improve my English and get it to an acceptable stage, which is why I consider it my mother tongue. I have not used German for 40 years. Thanks for your response.
@mimico (3617)
• Philippines
29 Jul 08
I think a lot of the Americans here are very good at conversing in English but not really in spelling and grammar. I've noticed this before when I spent a summer studying with Americans. Anyway, it doesn't bother me so much that they spell some words incorrectly. What's more important is that they can get the point across and make sense of sentences. And to answer your question, YES, the subject ENGLISH does cover proper use of the language.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
Thanks mimico for the reassurance regards to placing of this discussion. I really didn't want to get that wrong now, did I? Although it doesn't seem to have had an effect on the amount of people responding. I appreciate your input.
• Canada
29 Jul 08
I don't feel as though I'm being told off. I was an excillent student in English, always getting A's and B's. Even though I know English well, the world of the internet and computers has made people lazy when it comes to spelling, and grammer. Why should we have to use it if the computer will do it for you! Unfortunately, hand written items are a thing of the past and computer lingo is here. You get sloppy and careless and yet, people still know what you are trying to say! It's kind of like how Ebonix (sp?) is an official language, well computer lingo is becoming so widely excepted. It won't get any better, it will just keep getting worse and with ebriviations (sp?) taking over (eg. LOL, OMG). I understand how you must feel and sometimes I feel it too, when my 5 year old know's what LOL mean yet she hasn't even really started school! The only thing to do is to throw in your white flag and give into the "new aged" language or become an English teacher and try to reach out to as many kids as possible to keep the "old" English from disapearing. Sorry about the mistakes in this!
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
30 Jul 08
OMG your little girl knows short speak. I'm sure this is indicative of things to come in the English language. I understand that the dictionary now includes the word googling, (hey spell check just underlined that in red.) If you look at how English was written in Shakespearian times, so much has changed, now that was the "old" English, how did that happen? Interesting eh? Thanks so much for responding, and I didn't see any mistakes - but then, I wasn't looking!