Do you get revenge or hand out pay-back for wrongs done to you?

@mommyboo (13174)
United States
August 5, 2008 10:16pm CST
This could be in response to anything, from bad service, paying too much for something, a partner who cheats, a friend who lies etc. Do you serve your own revenge? Do you have someone ELSE do your dirty work? Do you let it go? I admit that I DO sometimes get even. My reasoning for this is twofold. First of all, there are consequences for everyone's actions. People who pick on others or bully need to realize that. If they are not TOLD that they cannot behave like this or taught because there are consequences, they will keep doing it. Second, I am worth more than that. I do not deserve to be attacked, bullied, put down, etc. Because I respect myself, I'm not about to let someone else treat me that way. What about you? Do you agree? If you are the type who is more of a doormat, why are you a doormat? Do you not believe you are worthy of being treated well, of getting a good deal, of coming out on top? Do you think someone else will get vengeance for you? Do you honestly feel that it's FINE for people to get away with treating you badly without consequences? Share your thoughts with me!
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@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
6 Aug 08
Well I don't really see it as being a doormat. I just don't see how two wrongs can make a right. Consequences will follow each action naturally. And natural consequences are often much more powerful than anything we can think of. I can respond in kind to any wrong that is done to me, but I don't waste time thinking about ways to get my pay back. Once I dealt with it, it's done. Natural consequences work by themselves. A cheating partner won't be trusted, a friend that lies won't be believed, etc. - the cheating partner will have trouble finding someone who will trust him/her- the friend will find that people are not paying much attention to him/her those consequences don't even need my intervention. Don't get me wrong, I don't take lightly being wronged, I just don't believe in revenge or pay back.It takes too much negative energy:)
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
9 Aug 08
I assert myself in what is important to me, but without pay back or threats just because I don't like either. What can be called pay back can be a natural consequence to me. I have trouble with my husband's family and with my sister in law in particular for some things she did that really affected my life and that of my family. I told her what I thought about what she did once without an argument and as a natural consequence we don't socialize with them. I don't prevent my kids from being in touch with them and their cousins, but personally I have nothing to do with them. That's how it works for me I said what I had to say once. It is enough and it stops there. I don't waste time thinking about it much after either, it's done and over with. So I guess we share the same basic idea but act on it differently.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
8 Aug 08
I believe in natural consequences too, but if you cannot totally cut somebody out of your life and once in awhile, you HAVE to be around them, you need to do something or say something to that person to let them know what you are not going to tolerate. It can be done in a nice manner, I wasn't stipulating that it had to be in a revenge format, but you still have to set forth your expectations and if they aren't going to listen or whatever, there needs to be some type of consequences from you so they do. Even just a threat works with some people. Others are too hard headed and nothing works for a long time. Believe me, if I could just make sure I never had to see these people, I would, but the benefits to being part of the group outweigh the negatives, even though there ARE some negatives. The worst part for me is not even them being nasty to me. It is them being nasty to people I care about who don't say anything about it.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
10 Aug 08
I see where you're coming from. I have to say though that as far as my younger daughter, when I avoid certain people and situations, I have HER avoid them too. I cannot have her influenced by people or things that I deem BAD influences, so until she is older I will continue to filter certain things because she can't protect herself yet.
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@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
6 Aug 08
Hi mommyboo, In my experiences, I prefer to confront the person who hurt me and express whatever I want to in front of her and leave...Then will never talk back to the person and forget that she still exists. I had this experienced with one friend whom I trusted and helped a lot in her life then one day, I learned that she was criticizing me, it was her weakness really to talk about people and she was doing it to other friends but me, being with her in her most difficult times, I never thought she will do it, so, I confronted her and after that I never talk to her again!
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• United States
9 Aug 08
[i]Wow, that's cool for you having your first car out of your own income! WOW! Anyway, i agree with you, I will also avoid people whom after I confronted will still do hurt my feelings, those people don't deserve my attention and time[/i]!
• Philippines
6 Aug 08
I have to admit, I am usually called a coward by my brothers because of my forgiving attitude. I don't know. But I just can't help thinking of others more than myself. Even with my wife, whenever I am having some disputes with my friends, she would always say that I should somehow learn to be cold, which I can't. I've learned to understand the motives behind anyone's actions. Sometimes, people tend to bully over others because of family exclusion. And even if it comes that I am the one bullied, I still see that I won't fight back over some meddlers like those. I always see reasons more than getting even. And I want to ask as well, why are some so unforgiving?
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• Philippines
9 Aug 08
Well, forgiveness is not equal to not reprimanding who caused you pain. I've been forgiving for my entire life, and true enough, there were some punks who wouldn't stop playing tricks on me, but there were others who would defend me, and these were those who first had a beat on me.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
Forgiving someone who has not earned that right is just like giving someone an open door policy to come in and beat you over the head with a baseball bat. If someone does wrong to you and honestly believes they were justified, even if you've explained that they hurt you and it was not acceptable, then they shouldn't be forgiven. Remember that just like other people, YOU have value, YOU have the same right to be heard and respected and YOUR right to a happy successful life. Don't put others ahead of you, if anything, put others as equal to you. This is not selfish, this is self preservation in a world where a lot of people take advantage of anybody they can.
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@izathewzia (5134)
• Philippines
6 Aug 08
I don't really revenge or to that effect when someone commit a sin to me. Yes, I do get angry. But I let my angry subsides first before facing the situation and the person again. I won't let my anger ruled my right thinking.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
8 Aug 08
I usually think for awhile about how to handle something, but if it is a situation that is just heatedly exploding in my face right away, I have to make a decision quickly.
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• Regina, Saskatchewan
6 Aug 08
Oh geez boo, this is kinda hard to answer. I believe in Karma and it seems to like me, because it gets back to people who treat me with disrespect without my having to lift a finger most times! lol Like you, I have a healthy sense of myself and tremendous self respect. I'll hand out a tongue lashing when warrented, though I try to keep it light unless I'm so pissed I just let my fingers do the talking. But I never hold grudges. Ever. Life's too short to wallow in negativity. And yes I firmly believe that people deserve the consequences for their bad behaviour and should be prepared to take them no matter what form they come in. So don't piss me off and I won't send bad Karma after you! LOL
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
8 Aug 08
This is very good... very good. I read through your reply and nodded the whole time. I must admit I'm having a hard time with some responses where people are almost saying they don't stick up for themselves, I guess sticking up for yourself is a TOTALLY different topic than revenge. I shouldn't have combined them into one post. It would be easier if I could just prevent myself from getting angry with someone who is trying to screw me over, but wouldn't that mean there was something wrong with me if I DIDN'T get angry? lol if I let it go, then I would be a doormat, the person doing it would continue until they got what they wanted from me, then boom, they'd head on to the next victim. I see nothing wrong with throwing a little wrench in their complex machinery, then smiling and saying 'have a nice day' while they glare at my back.
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• Regina, Saskatchewan
8 Aug 08
You're right boo. Standing up for oneself and getting revenge are two different things. Revenge is a dark emotion and I won't indulge in it. On the other hand, 'making things right' or 'handing out consequences' are necessary to keep the balance of good and bad. Society would implode on itself without consequences. But as someone wise said recently on a discussion "punishment is judgment' and if someone is in the wrong then they should expect some form of punishment. But revenge? Revenge is personal. Revenge is not a social given. It comes from a personal desire to return ten fold the hurt inflicted on us. And that's no way to stem the flow of bad behaviour. It simply makes us a part of that behaviour instead of a solver of it. Having the strength of your convictions and standing up for yourself does not mean indulging in revenge. It means looking the naysayer in the eye and saying NO, this is NOT acceptable and I will not be a part of it. And then just walking away, head held high, shoulders back and a smile at the corner of your mouth. Standing up for yourself is believing in your right to be true to yourself, uninfluenced by others negativity and showing by example that there is a better way. It's hard to do. We are human and far to given to indulging in our first response. But it can be done. Hugs boo. You're going to be fine and you're no doormat.
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@SusanLee (1920)
• United States
6 Aug 08
When I was a kid, yes, I wanted to get even. After I grew up I noticed that 'You reap what you sow' and 'What goes around, comes around' is very true. If someone lies one me, and that lie hurts someone else, I will go and straiten out the lie to the person it was told. Other than that I do nothing. I have set back and observed things, and it is true that the person sowing crap will eventually reap a load down the road. They will be found out for what they are if they don't change their ways. I don't need to do a thing where they are concerned. It takes care of its self. Now I'm just to old to get involved in crap.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
LOL! Well, I sometimes say I'm too old to get involved in crap either, but I have kids. My four year old is very impressionable. I am trying to teach her right now not to allow people to cut in front of her, to also raise her hand and say she wants to have a turn (instead of just waiting and waiting and waiting and ending up being last all the time because she never jumps and waves and says she wants to go like the other kids do). I know from experience how being quiet and nice and NOT assertive ends up socially hurting a person. You don't want to be a bully either and demand anything, but you do need to make sure you are noticed and behave well, then your chances of being more in the middle or top third are better. She does learn from me, and she knows that her mommy doesn't take crap from anybody. If there's anything I can teach her, it's how to make sure nobody steps on her, from a playmate, to an adult who doesn't like kids. I want her to do it respectfully, but to do it nonetheless. People may not like it but my goal is to make sure she doesn't get bullied. She has stuck up for her friends before - she has a little friend who is about a head taller than her but he is younger. Somebody at a play area was being mean to him and she went over and yelled at the mean kid and he backed off. I was proud of her, she is like me, small but courageous.
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• Philippines
7 Aug 08
To me,i never think of paying back thing.I just go away and stay away from those kind of people.Nothings going to change if i fight with them or to deal with them.They're just a waste of time.And also,I dont feel gaining respect to myself if ever I fight back.I think its their nature to be like that.Just let God do the Good to them.:D
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
I feel differently. If I allow somebody to get away with something, step on me, do me wrong, that is not respecting myself. That is letting myself be what someone else thinks of me - and if they are not a nice person, they probably don't think much of me.
@wachit14 (3595)
• United States
6 Aug 08
I treat people the way they treat me. Unfortunately, people don't like that. It tends to serve as a mirror of their own bad behavior so their reaction isn't always very nice (well, they weren't nice to begin with). If you want to call it payback, then that's okay with me, but I don't go out of my way to get revenge. I just quit a job, mainly because it wasn't the right job for me, but the last straw was my team leader. She left a very rude message on my voicemail asking for a report. I wasn't aware that I had to file one (I only just started this job a week before). I called her back and apologized for not faxing it, and told her I would do it when I could and hung up on her. She didn't like that. In fact, she called me back screaming at me that she wanted me off her team. She got what she wanted because when I got home I sent an e-mail off to her boss that I was quitting. I have another job I'm starting next month any way, but if I had stayed at that job, then I feel like I'm just sending a message that it's okay to yell at me when I don't do what you want and that's just wrong. As far as anything else goes, I firmly believe that what goes around, comes around and those who mistreat others in any way will surely get what's coming to then eventually.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
I try to treat people the way I expect to be treated - I try not to nose in where I don't belong, I try not to air things I don't want repeated, I try to extend a hand and be kind and help. If people react well to this, then things are fine. If people nose into my business uninvited, then I withdraw. If people are nasty right off the bat, I will often confront them and try to find out what peed in their breakfast! I am aware that sometimes people have a bad day, but if I did nothing to warrant them taking it out on me, I will say so! I think you did the right thing, your 'team leader' doesn't sound like a good one if she is calling and screaming at people over a forgotten report - especially if you were not even aware ahead of time you had to file it. She may lose more members off her team than just you, if others have the same sense of what's okay and what's not.
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6 Aug 08
i am totally all for revenge i always get revenge and right now i am working on a plan of revenge for my ex after he treated me like sh!t i still cant believe he told me so many lies! how can crappy people think they can do such things and get away with it? sometimes i really dislike the human race!!!
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
LOL! I have been there girl, believe me. My exhusband tweaked something with my car (which I sold to a friend of mine) and my car blew up on the freeway when my friend was trying to drive it home! Fortunately it was not serious but I was so hopping mad that he had the nerve to have done something like that. I really didn't follow up on that, I mean I was already divorcing him, but I did let him know I figured out he had tried to kill my friend.
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@gemini_rose (16264)
6 Aug 08
I guess it depends on what they have done. The trouble for me, is I was bought up in believing in an eye for an eye and that if someone crossed me then they had to accept that there would be consequences. It is not fine for people to do bad things and get away with it and sometimes that has to be a consequence. But, in saying that I am also a big believer in Karma and that if I wait long enough then it will happen!
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
I try to cut things off before they get to a point where anything would be necessary lol. I am very assertive, I stick up for myself. If something is going to take longer than I expect, I want somebody to warn me. I don't want to have to wait an HOUR for something that should take 15 minutes. I was kind of raised NOT to do that whole eye for an eye thing, but I was stepped on a lot when I was a kid, and it still makes me resentful when I think about it.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
6 Aug 08
Hmmm. If I'm not getting good customer service, I will make sure the management knows. But I'm not rude or obnoxious about it. I just figure they need to know that employees might be ruining their business. I don't believe in getting revenge. I try to use the Bible as my life instruction manual, and it does say in Romans 12:19-21: Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. I always figure that God has a much better plan than I could ever imagine.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
I am not religious but I do know where you're coming from. It is just too bad that God doesn't seem to see fit to take his vengeance while we are still here. It would be nice to know somebody awful has it coming and to actually see God deal them a raw deal. This rarely happens though. Either way, I still say that people need to be accountable for their actions, and if they have dealings with me and have acted unfairly, they will face consequences for it.
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• United States
7 Aug 08
i wont let myself be treated badly and if i think i have been or been back stabbed it takes a lot to keep me from going into revenge mode.. i have an awful revengeful side that i am working on lol.. but it takes a lot to set me off but once i am i dont forgive easy.. but ive been doing well the last couple of years.. mostly because i am away from negative things that would add and set it off.. work in progress
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
As long as I avoid people who are always into drama, I am fine. This means for the most part that I have to avoid people who have no lives - because in order to make theirs better, they focus on and pick apart mine! I don't understand this at all, mine is plenty interesting to me but to other people? I don't see why it would even turn their heads.
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• United States
9 Aug 08
god i know!! i just try to avoid the triggers (mostly people)
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
6 Aug 08
Hey mommyboo, I am definitely the type to get revenge. I can let something go once in awhile if need be. But if I get the chance I much prefer sweet revenge. I don't like anyone to take advantage of me or lie, to get over on me in any way. If they do there will be hell to pay. I am not the type to be played. I have fought too hard to get where I am. It has taken me a long time to get to the point where I will not let anyone walk all over me ever again. I expect to be showed the same respect that I show.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
8 Aug 08
I am with you all the way. I come from a place of having BEEN a doormat once and let me tell you, it's never gonna happen again! I also go to bat for friends who get stomped on because I can't stand to see that happen. Contrary to popular belief, being assertive and standing up for myself does not mean I'm brave. It does not make me better, although I may be stronger. I simply choose what I will allow in my life, and letting things go too often is not one of them.
@Jenaisle (14079)
• Philippines
6 Aug 08
I don't believe I can get anything of value from revenge, except dirtying my hands. I believe that nature will take its due course. Something given out will always return to the source of origin. That is the law of nature. What you give is what you get, and I would leave any of that vengeance to a spiritual being (God).
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@34momma (13882)
• United States
6 Aug 08
karma is the law of pay back. so i don't have to worry about going out of my way to make someone hurt, or feel bad, or whatever. i just allow the world to dish out it's own payback. and trust me, it's always better then anything we can think of
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
Sometimes it is. Like I said in an earlier comment though, I'm not sure that the law of karma goes along with our view of what it should be. It does not always match what we believe.
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• United States
6 Aug 08
What comes to mind when I read this is Vengense is mine said the Lord and I live by that rule. It is not my place to get even with something that someone has done to me. Now, I am not saying I don't get upset over it. I just don't see any point in trying to get even with the person. I am bringing myself down to their level and I have never and will never let that happen. I don't consider myself a doormat either. There are just more important things to worry about than getting even with someone.
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• United States
9 Aug 08
Just because I don't believe the same way you do doesn't make me any of those names you called me. I believe there is a higher power that takes care of dealing justice to people whether it is bad or good. You think your way and I will think my way. We each have our way of believing and it doesn't make your way right or my way right. It is the individual's God given right to believe and do as they believe.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
So you don't believe in making sure people are held accountable for their actions? You'd rather just let people bully you, use you, act inappropriately without any checks and balances?
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• United States
6 Aug 08
Hi Mommyboo, I normally believe "what goes around comes around". Revenge can be sweet at times, but that is not always the way to go. I believe in reporting employees for doing a bad job to the public, I do question if I feel I am being overcharged for something, I do question a lier about their lies, I will confront a cheater. These to me are things that should be done. How else are you to know if you are really getting wronged, and whether it was done deliberately or accidentally. People are human, and do and will may mistakes. Questioning it may be the first step to take before going to revenge. I do not think anyone should be mistreated, disrespected, or made a fool of in public. You should receive what you give, so if you respect others, they should be able to respect you too. If they can't, then, question it. Some people dont realize they are being disrespectful, or that they are bullying someone. They are very dominant and set in their ways. They intimidate others without realizing they are doing it. These can be the dangerous ones. Telling them about this may help, then again it may only make matters worse. There are ways of talking to these people and some may be grateful for the help, others may be very resentful. No one should be a doormat to anyone else. We need to pick ourselves up and take a good look inside ourselves. Why are we being doormats? What can we do about it? It is really up to the individual to improve themselves. It depends on how much you want to take before you take a step to make things right. Have a nice day my friend..
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
I think that the 'doormat' frame of mind comes from lack of self confidence and a lack of self esteem or self worth. It also comes from beating your head against a brick wall for too long, being stifled, overprotected, having your world shrunk around you instead of opened up. People who have no confidence or self esteem or self worth don't trust themselves, they believe things other people say - bad things mostly. This serves to perpetuate a vicious cycle of even less confidence, less self esteem, and less self worth. It's very hard for me to understand why somebody stays in that frame of mind and stays shoved down like that. I'm a bit of a go-getter though and I've always believed that I could really do whatever I really wanted. So far I haven't been disappointed.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
8 Aug 08
In general I try not to. But sometimes, if you get me mad enough I will. It sort of depends on whether it is just thoughtless or careless or actually intended to be rude or mean. I do stand up for myself though, which is not quite the same thing as payback.
• United States
7 Aug 08
NO not usually. Its hard for me to be nasty to someone, its just not in me. I dont mean that im perfect by any means, im sure i have said a few things under my breath about those who do me wrong, but i cant really recall any time if at all, that i got revenge so to say. What is the point of doing that, its not gonna change what they did to you, it doesnt make it hurt any less, you might get a moment of satisfaction, but it passes adn the wrong doing hasnt been undone.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Aug 08
Well, it may not change what the person did, but it does show that you aren't just going to let it go if you say something lol.
@3cardmonte (5098)
9 Aug 08
You are so right,so many people think that they can get away with treating people like s*** and that they are untouchable.You are worth more than that,we all are.I wish i could let things go and i have always been taught by my mother NOT to stick up for myself,which is terrible advice,but why should someone be allowed to get away with treating you like that?.If someone treats you badly and you react it's retalliation and they had it coming.An eye for an eye.