Do you have a state lottery? Do you think they're immoral?

@dragon54u (31633)
United States
August 20, 2008 8:29am CST
I heard on the radio yesterday that a church turned down $600,000 from a parishioner who'd won the lottery and wanted to tithe his 10%, saying it was "blood money". They said lotteries were immoral and preyed on those that couldn't afford it, taking their money and giving nothing in return, for the most part. And it's gambling, taking money that could be used to feed and clothe their children. I don't play it because the odds are ridiculous and I don't feel like wasting a dollar. I feel that I might as well just throw that dollar in the gutter. Lotteries, according to this radio host, target the poor and throw the bulk of their advertising dollars to billboards in poorer neighborhoods and that the most lottery outlets are located where people can't afford to part with a dollar. They give false hope to those who need hope but always disappoint and then the people have lost money. When I worked in a grocery part of what I did was sell lottery tickets. I can't tell you how many people that had just paid for their groceries with food stamps came up and bought $10-$50 worth of lottery tickets every month! They never won anything, or sometimes presented a ticket that was good for $1 or $5, never anything big and not close to what they were spending on the tickets. What do you think? Are they immoral? Do you play the lottery, and if so have you ever won anything?
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
20 Aug 08
Our Church feels the same way. There was a man in our neighborhood who had won the lottery. He was not a church member, but he wanted to do something good for the church because well our neighborhood is mainly working middle class - most being railway workers or retired railway workers, but the elders had to refuse because that money was taken off the backs of the poor. And gambling victimizing the poor. I see these over 65s buying lottery tickets at the mall and I am sure on their Old Age Security and supplements they cannot afford to. And even though the lottery money that is not paid out is to go to help the hospitals and schools, it is not right. My husband plays the lottery, and so far all he has won was free lottery tickets. He says he will give most of the money to our sons who had always had good careers, and can provide for their families and to his brothers and sisters who had to struggle like he did, but I do not like the idea. I would have rather he put some of the stock money aside to help them out. If I enter a contest and win it by answering a skill testing question, would that not be better than winning by chance and using our hard earned money?
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
20 Aug 08
If you win something by skill, that means that you earned it. If you just pay a dollar and buy a chance at something, you haven't earned it although you did work for the money you spent. The lottery just rubs me the wrong way, even though I play it a couple times a year for fun. It's promising big returns for no work and isn't something that should be encouraged.
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@goldeneagle (6743)
• United States
20 Aug 08
yeah they are immoral. Lotteries are just another way for the government to get more money out of people who are dumb enough to fall for it. Then, some states even make people feel good about playing by telling them that the money they spend goes to the school systems. If this is true, with all the money that people spend on lottery tickets every day, how come every school system in the country is going broke? Schools are being closed due to lack of money. Where is all that money the lottery supposedly puts back into the school systems? Also, when someone DOES win big, the government takes its share of the winnings in the form of income taxes. Yet another government rip off. What is truly sad, though, is that a lot of people who win those lotteries don't have enough common sense or education to use that money to put themselves into a financial position where they would never have to work again. They go out and buy big houses, boats, fancy cars, etc. They don't think to get a financial planner and invest that money so that it is making them money each month in the form of interest. Often, they end up in worst financial shape than they were before winning the lottery, because they find they cannot afford to finish paying for or maintain those big houses or fancy cars and things they bought with the winnings. Lotteries are truly a scam all the way around...I do not play them...
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
20 Aug 08
I have rarely heard a story of a lottery winner with a happy ending. "Friends" crawl out of the woodwork to take advantage of them, con men are always after them and their own greed and thirst for luxury (we all have it, I'm not judging!) get the best of them. Our schools here are not offering bus service to high school students this year because they're so broke. Yes, where ARE those millions of dollars our schools are supposedly getting?! Whose pockets are those dollars going into?!
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
20 Aug 08
I think what happens to the money is that it goes to stupid things like fixing up governors' mansions, buying nice office furniture, etc., and huge salaries for school board officials. Certainly none of it goes to the teachers who many times have to buy supplies for their classes out of their own pockets!
@sudalunts (5523)
• United States
20 Aug 08
I live in New Jersey, and they say that the lotter money is to go towards schools and roads. Just like you say, there is nothing new happening with the schools. The tuition for state schools is steady rising, and the tolls are constantly going up, and our roads are terrible. Pot holes, are tearing up your cars, property taxes are out of the roofs. So what is really happening with all of these millions of dollars that mainly poor people are spending to supporting this cause.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
21 Aug 08
What might be immoral to some, may not be immoral to others. Personally I don't see lottery winnings as "blood money", but at the same time those that are receiving assistance such as food stamps shouldn't be spending $10-$50 or more a month on lottery tickets either, though I guess that is their choice. I'll admit, I do buy lotto tickets (either Super Lotto or Mega Millions) every now and then, especially if the jackpot is high, if I remember to play. Though if I forget it isn't a big deal. The most I've spent at one time was $5 once, when the jackpot was well over $100 million, though on average I have spent a couple of dollars a month, at the most. I didn't buy any lottery tickets for about 4 or 5 months because I don't always carry cash on me, and if I don't have any money in my wallet then I don't worry about buying a ticket. I finally bought $2.00 on Mega Millions for yesterday's draw, but that was a waste as I only got one number. But if people, including myself, didn't play then we wouldn't have a chance to win (even if the chance of winning is slim to none). As you can guess I would rather take my chances on spending a dollar on Lotto than throwing it away in the gutter. I don't remember how much I have won. A couple dollars here, a dollar there. So all in all I probably broke even in the few years that I have played. As long as people play responsibly then I don't see a problem with it.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
21 Aug 08
"Play responsibly" is the key phrase here! I personally don't think it's wrong as long as you do it responsibly and just for fun, not to win a million. But to spend grocery money on it is wrong. If I had been that church I mentioned, I would have "cleaned" the money by using it to make an outreach program to addicted gamblers.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
20 Aug 08
Yes, our state has a lottery, and like all the other states, those who wanted the lottery lied and said the money would go for education. Right. The money goes into the general fund, just like in every other state. I have not purchased a lottery ticket since...about 1975. My church frowns upon the lottery too, because it's gambling. The Bible tells us that everything we have comes from God and belongs to God and we are merely stewards. Gambling is not good stewardship. When I first moved to Central FL years ago, I was shocked the first time I went into a convenience store. There were about 18 migrant workers (illegals, I'm sure) who could not speak a lick of English. They were spending every penny they had buying lottery tickets. To me, the selling of lottery tickets to people who cannot afford them is immoral. It's like selling booze to someone who is drunk on his/her butt. It shouldn't be done. But even something as innocent as bingo can be bad, not only because it's also a form of gambling and costs so much money, but because so many people focus on that instead of their families. I remember holding a girl in my neighborhood as she cried...because her mother thought going to bingo was more important than being with her daughter as she waited for her "date" to her very first dance. I made sure I took pictures for her, since her mom didn't bother.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
20 Aug 08
I can't imagine passing up time with my children for a lousy game of bingo! That mom will reap the rewards later and wonder what happened, probably never connect it to her behavior. It sounds as if she's addicted. Yes, gambling is bad and not good stewardship. I keep remembering that story of the men who were given the same amount of money and one invested wisely and one didn't. What story was that? It was in the Old Testament and the one who wasted his money wasn't very happy in the end!
• United States
21 Aug 08
well i think its a nice jester that someone wanted to offer money to the church. or any organization. he could of kept it for themselves instead they wanted to share it and help others. so i dont see whats wrong with that. if the church wanted to be rude and not take it well then so be it but at least it was offered. i think some organizations are just looking for attention and want to make big things out of little ones.
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
21 Aug 08
No, I don't think they are immoral. If people want to play, then let them. Who are we to tell people that they shouldn't buy the tickets? And if the Church turned it down then I'd say to heck with them. I'd go out and spent it, or donate it to a needy animal shelter.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
21 Aug 08
Yes, they could have turned that so-called "blood money" into good works and thus "cleansed" it. It didn't make much sense to me. Attitudes like that make no sense to me, although I'm a churchgoer. My state has a lottery, about 20 scratch games and just started a state Keno game that runs daily. Yet they won't allow casinos so people go to neighboring states to gamble. I really don't understand their reasoning. I'm not a gambler but I don't see why they let the other states have money that could stay here and help this state.
@iakulchen (615)
• Singapore
21 Aug 08
Well, if you are spending your money on food stamps, you would certainly want to find a way out of your situation. Never mind the fact that I can prove it to you, that mathematically a lottery is a losing investment, the fact that there is a chance for you to win that big pot and get out of the mess that your life is in is enough to make most people ignore the odds actually being heavily skewed against them. And I don't think it's so much the fact that lottery targets the poor, but rather the fact that the relative value of the winnings is much higher to them compared to people in other income brackets. I myself don't play, but my parents do, and I have given up on trying to talk them out of it.
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@sudalunts (5523)
• United States
20 Aug 08
I hear exactly what you are saying. Those poor people who spend all their money on tickets, are wishful thinkers. They are hoping that it's their time to win. I see the same thing, when I go into the local convenience store. I wonder how these people can afford to spend so much on these tickets. Granted, I have played before, and I have won a few times, but I do not make a habit of it, because I know my chances of win are slim to none. The times I did win, I played that one time, and couldn't believe that the number actually came out. I do not think it is immoral though. I do not know what my Pastor would say or do, if one of his members wanted to tithe a large sum of money won via the lottery. Maybe this person, can donate the unaccepted money to a children's hospital or some other worth while cause. A lot of people have the mind set that the lottery is the way to get them out of their situations. The commercials do not help either "all it takes is a dollar and a dream" Good post
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
20 Aug 08
I will play maybe twice a year and look upon it as recreation, much like playing one of those carnival games. I don't expect to win. I like the scratch-off tickets. But I rarely buy one because it's not often I have a dollar I can afford to throw away! I think it's an individual choice and would never deny anyone their right to play it but I think we should educate people. We should also offer other avenues of hope that will make real returns to them.