Should Guys Pay Every Time and Everything?

Singapore
August 29, 2008 1:09am CST
This is in the context of relationship. I think this is an interesting topic to go and hope that all of you can contribute your views here on whether the guys should be paying every time and for everything. There's one school that says that the guy should pay for the movie tickets whilst the other party should be paying for the pop corns and soft drinks. Is this considered as being too calculative? Then, there's another school, where the guy should be doing it as a social grace. But would it be sending a wrong message that we guys are being suckers, currying some favors and worst buying relationship? Yet, another party is saying why should I (guy) be paying when she is equally having a good time with me? Shouldn't she be footing the bill as well? I sure am not going to spoil her and project a wrong image here. Is image so important here? So guys and gals, what is you say on this? Is there a line to draw as to how much we should be paying and buying? Is there any limit? I just wonder and await your response.
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57 responses
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
29 Aug 08
Hi there my cool friend. I love this discussion!! It's time I get some voice heard, LOL. As a guy, I prefer to be the one to pay everything and I don't believe in the idea of going 'dutch' if I'm taking a lady out for a date. And especially if I really fancy the lady. I think that's just my style. However, I have some other friends who think that ladies should be paying as well, since they are also there to 'enjoy the date'. And they would go around saying that in this modern times, ladies and guys are working their bu** off, and they should be paying too, ha!! There's no such thing as free lunch, some of them said and I couldn't agree nor argue. I think different situations have different points of argument. It pretty much depends on the understanding of both the adults on a date. But if you ask me direct should guys pay every time and everything, I would say why not if he has the money. But if the guy is earning average and not really having extra cash, then it would be cruel so the answer to your question then on would be no. It is a mutual thing. I have 1 solution that I stick to it until today. I will never bring a lady out for a date if I'm broke or not yet approaching my pay-day, ha! So I would never have the problem of me not having the money to pay for everything. And if I'm in a relationship, I make it a point for me to come up with the money as well. But she should understand my financial situation and not be too demanding. Understanding goes easy, and the money should come out sincerely from me. So I see no problem to your question. My answer is yes. Perhaps the ego has landed.
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• Singapore
31 Aug 08
zed_k4 and porteno, Here's an issue. Does it mean to say that if you do not have the money you are nothing? Is this considered a self image thing? I think with our limited pay, I doubt we could be constantly dating our date here. I think as much as the guys giving out social graces (most of the time) I felt that the other party should reciprocate too. Isn't relationship mutual exclusive here? I don't know here, but I suppose besides being together, shouldn't relationship involve money management as well? So, how are we (guys) going to let them know of our limits and not let them have other thoughts and wrong impressions about us? This is not an ego issue but I suppose like we use to say, it has got to start somewhere. So, would you want to add on here? Thanks.
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
30 Aug 08
My exact sentiments too, friend. That could be no problem as long as we can provide bread and butter at home.
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• United States
29 Aug 08
I totally agree with you. When I was dating my wife she NEVER paid for anything. I would have been embarrassed to ask her to pay or if she would offer I would not take it. That is the man's role, not the woman's. That is a poor example of being a gentleman than to have the woman pay. I don't understand why this is an issue. I was raised to take care of my lady, and part of that is financially as well as security, protection, etc. I am a man, I do the treating!
• United States
29 Aug 08
I think before a couple goes out this should be discussed. I think there is nothing wrong in both paying for whatever is being done. As long as both agree to it. This is a different age and time. A while back it would be unheard of for a girl to help pay for whatever is done out on the date. That is not the way it is today. Personally I don't think that the guy should have to pay everytime for everything.
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• United States
29 Aug 08
my views as a woman ... When you are asking a woman out for the first few times yes I feel the guy should pay... If you get into a realationship with a person then I feel it should be shared.. example.. lets say you pay for the movie tickets.. then your girlfriend could buy the popcorn sodas.. etc .. but if you are just dateing person after person then yes the man should pay .. after all you are asking her out on a date . When I started todate my husband .. he would always pay for dinner .. I use to offer to leave the tip at least.. This showed him I was not out for a free ride and I also was taking responsibility as an adult .. we all work hard for our money have bills .. a good person would see that and should/could offer to help with a nice evening out . Just my 2 cents me
• Singapore
30 Aug 08
sunshinelady, How would you approach this when you are dating? I mean here we are (guys) making the invitation to the other party, and there we mention that it would be going on dutch. I think it would create a dampener here between both parties. How would the girls perceive us? Men without social grace? Stingy? Do you think this is a good way to start a date? How do you think we could even start without the other party misunderstanding our fair intention? Thanks
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• Singapore
30 Aug 08
Lafemcrafts, You are a real model of an understanding and gracious lady, I am really full of admiration here. However, you need to agree that a personality like you is indeed rare. A limited edition here. However, I would still want to hear you out from a lady's perspective as how you would react and perceive us when we mention that we go on dutch whilst dating? Would this be a turn off to you? Thanks
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@jhaded10 (42)
• Philippines
29 Aug 08
As a girl, I do understand that sometimes my boyfriend has less budget when we go out, I tend to volunteer in paying our expenses, as a girl you should not pressure your boyfriend in paying things all the time, you should know when to let him because not all the time he has money.
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• Singapore
4 Sep 08
jhaded10, It may be good to include dates where spending will be bare minimal - window shopping, stroll on the beach, walk in the park and etc.. Helps with creativity and much gentler on the purse, yes? Thanks again for your response here.
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@schulzie (4061)
• United States
29 Aug 08
Yes, when you are on a date the man should pay, period. If he can't afford expensive stuff then go to a more reasonable place. Dating is the beginning of a relationship that hopefully will eventually lead to marriage. How would that be if the man does not pay the bill? How good of a provider will he be for his family if he is so cheap to not be the man and pay for the meal? And also, he should not expect "something in return" either. That is the man's role - to pay the bill. I just can't stand the idea of "Dutch Treat". Who in the world thought that one up? Probably a man! Anyways, I am raising my two sons that when they go out on a date they will be the ones to pay and my two daughters I am teaching them that the man pays when you go out on a date. That is an unsaid rule of dating and courting. I think if a man asks a woman out and expects her to pay he is just being cheap and is not a gentleman at all. Have a nice day and happy myLotting!!!
• Singapore
4 Sep 08
schulzie, I do agree that the man should pay if he initiated the date. However, I do not catch your drift where you mention that man should not expect something in return whilst you have the notion that dating hopefully will lead to marriage. I am a little skeptical here as nowadays the concept of dating is unlike former days. I think youths of today have a different concept and conduct. For we can see them having multiple partners before deciding on one eventually. Also, the Dutch Treaty has much to do with the woman's rights or the 90's woman issue. We can see much of the womens' involvement in the world's economy today that it is time they caught up with us men. I don't know about you but I am for the idea that we should pay but the women should offer to pay for her share. Then let us (men) reject and suggest she does it another time. In this way, I find it more cordial and a healthier to social grace here. What do you think? Thanks
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@moondan (712)
• China
2 Sep 08
Personally,i don't think it is the obligation to pay everytime and everything for guys.Girls and boys,men and weman are all equal.They work hard to make money.Everytime,my best friends and me have a together,we choose to AA to pay our consume.It is not bad.man pay the bill for one time or once in a while,i think it is necessary,it is grace.No one say that guys have the obligation to pay,but it is gent in my country.But i really don't agree that girls and women pay nothing when they have a date with guys.Girls must be consciousness.For exampel,if have a date with a guys to have a movie,maybe guys go to buy tickets,then girls go to buy some drink or food.It is not good to haggle over every ounce,guys may use more than girls,but not every time and everything.It is really not fair.
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• Singapore
4 Sep 08
moondan, Since you mention this, I wonder what your impression of your boyfriend will be if he mentions to you on your first date to split the bill. I know there is liberation of thoughts growing in your country, however, understanding the conservatism in your community I think it will be good if you can share your thought here on this one. I am encouraging you here because I am aware of guys multiple datings and it is just not easy to fall into the good impression category when even a seemingly innocent proposal can lead to wrong ideas. Care to share. Thanks
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@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
29 Aug 08
If you are in a relationship with someone then it does not matter who is going to pay. I mean, I think it is understood that in this situation who ever can pay should be the one paying. back in my dating days with my husband, most of the time I am the one who shoulder our expenses and I don't mind, and now that we are married I just sit and wait. like now.. he he he pay day so I'll just sit here with open palm.. he he on serious note, if you are on a date I think it is just right that who ever ask out should be the one paying, and in the course of the date the two decided to to more things, I guess it should be the other party or dutch treat.
• Singapore
30 Aug 08
pehpot, Ha, Ha, I am really amused with your post. Really odd that you were the one paying whilst dating. I am sure yours is really exceptional for reasons known only between the both of you. Since you are both married now, care to share what happened back then? Thanks
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
2 Sep 08
oh I have more allowance than he then, so I shoulder most of our expenses. but I don't mind really.
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@MissGia (955)
• United States
29 Aug 08
Personally when i go out with my boyfriend i will offer to help pay, and if he doesn't want me to i don't argue with him. I usually compromise with him and insist he let me pay the tip when we got out to eat. In non serious relationship where someone asks one of their love interests on a date, i feel it is the person who offered the date that should be paying. From my own experiences a lot of men insist that they pay for everything, and i believe this is an ego/pride type of thing.
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@efc872 (1077)
• Jamaica
29 Aug 08
The man should pay, he must not behave like a gigolo.
@efc872 (1077)
• Jamaica
30 Aug 08
skysuccess,Sorry that you read and misunderstood me. A man should be kind and loving to his date, he should not expect his date to pay or share the cost of his entertainment. He must not behave like a gigolo and expect to be treated like a puppy.
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• Singapore
31 Aug 08
efc872, Thank you for explaining further, and I did get your drift here. I suppose this is quite a valid and good point, however, I am sure you would agree that the 90's women have changed quite a bit. The issue about fairness has really caught on much to this day that women are equally willing to pay the tab. Fortunately or unfortunately, they are not that forthright and this has led to much confusions and misunderstandings. I suppose in life equilibrium is just sometimes beyond us and this is one of the cases. Thanks again.
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• Singapore
30 Aug 08
efc872, It is really hard to stop or prevent how people perceive us especially from the gentler half. So how do you think we could pay and still not let us perceive us as a gigolo? Having said that, aren't gigolos on the take most of the time than giving? I suppose you mean lecherous? Care to elaborate here? Thanks.
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• United States
5 Sep 08
Since these days women could be making as much or even more than the man, I feel whomever invites the person out, pays. So If She asks a guy out to dinner, she should pay. If He wants to go to the movies , then he should pay for both the movie ticket and the snacks.
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• United States
6 Sep 08
I invited you out , then I would pay the bill, period. I would tell you to put your credit card or cash away , I got this bill and if you want to go out again , you pay the next time. I would appreciate the gesture but I wouldn't invite you out without having enough money to pay for both of us. So I would thank you but I would pay the check and then make sure we can do this again, and that's when you can pay.
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• Singapore
5 Sep 08
sarahruthbeth22, Just my curiosity and seek your feedback on this one. Let's say you are the one who is inviting here, we had a really terrific time over dinner and you waved for the bill. Then, came the waiter placing the tab on the middle of the table and I asked if I should pay for my share - as I really had a wonderful time. Freeze frame..... How do you feel? What is the impression you would have on me? What would you do? And Why? Remember, the both of us really had a wonderful time. Hope to hear you out on this one.
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• United States
1 Sep 08
no,not everytime.if i have the money and i want to do something in particular,i'll pay for it if they want to go.but if they ask me out,i will tell them point blank if i am broke-if they still insist,then yes,i expect them to pay for that particular outing. but as far as making a guy pay for everything in general,no,i don't expect it.
• Singapore
29 Aug 08
When we were dating last time, both of us do not have much to spend. So I don't mind footing part of the bill and I (girl) always offer to do so. I don't insist, sometimes, he seems to appreciate it that I pay part of the bill. I think it depends on how both of you see this issue.
• Singapore
30 Aug 08
SydneyHazelton, Agree with how both parties see this issue. But ever thought of how we should bring it up without having them misunderstand our fair intention(s)? Kind of tough sometimes, do you agree? Thanks
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@SangsTurks (1444)
• India
29 Aug 08
I think both parties should pool in money in whatever they do. Coz that is the rule for friends who like to party out together at all times. Why should only one person burn a hole in the pocket when all others enjoy and have fun?? if you have good friends they would surely understand and not use you for their fun and entertainment. If they dont understand you are better off with them.
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@vellibiz (297)
• United States
29 Aug 08
call me a asswhole, but i think you should split the bill for the first date.
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• Singapore
31 Aug 08
vellibiz, I don't think there is going to be a name calling for you here. However, I am wondering how you are actually going to even mention about going dutch with your first date(s). Care to share and elaborate here? Thanks
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@MH4444 (2161)
• United States
3 Sep 08
Once when a guy asked me out he expected me to pay the bill. Sorry mate, but that's a looser to my folks. It's like saying: "hey, let's take you shopping". then you get to the check-out and they leave you looking like an idiot. Can you say "indian-giver"? It's based on giving of oneself. You are asking a person to join you. You are giving a gift to them. You don't ask them and expect them to pay. wow What happens after is up to each couple. But! If it doesn't work out at this stage be glad you found out before you got serious with them. Speak your mind; but expect the reaction that is real. In this case: not good.
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• Singapore
4 Sep 08
MH4444, Wow, that was one hell of a date you went through. What happened after that? I was wondering if the I forgot my wallet excuse might have worked for you. Ha Ha. Anyway, I am in agree with you. However, I am wondering if you are comfortable with the idea that the invited should offer to pay and let the inviter reject or agree of the cordiality sake? What do you think? Coming from a guy's perspective I would feel great because it tells me that the other party is truly enjoying the occasion. Way above mentioning having a good time during conversation. Care to share on this one? Thanks
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@iyah10 (4115)
• Kuwait
31 Aug 08
In this life that crisis arise I think that it would be more appreciated if both parties have to be responsible on taking all the payable by both of them but as a man if I could still handle to have all the payment then why not......
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@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
12 Oct 08
I think it is fair to share the "burden" Especially in light of what is going on throughout the financial world right now. A couple can simply take turns paying, making sure that one doesn't "outdo" the other. Times have changed, some women don't like to feel "needy" when it comes to a relationship, which works well out for the men who may not be able to afford to pay all the time.
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
30 Aug 08
Hey skysuccess, You asked a very good question! I think that the man should pay on the first date at least if he is the one doing the asking. If the dating is to continue then I feel it should be mutually shared by both people. But, if as in my case, at the moment I am not working and my bf is then he should pay more than I should. Too bad he is cheap and still wants me to pay for him too!lol That's why in this case we won't be together much longer! I can't deal with a man that has money and won't spend it and expects me to spend what I don't have! I should let him read this post!lol And what's even worse is we live together so you can just imagine what I have to go through!
• Singapore
31 Aug 08
Opal26, What is he doing with all that money? Sorry for your plight here, but I suppose if he is saving for a honeymoon trip with you I can understand. Otherwise, it would be a well prescribed kick of the butt here. LOL. Hope that all will be well at your end eventually, though. Thanks and take care.
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
30 Aug 08
It seems to me that this is one of those things that shold be argeed upon up front in a relationship. When I was dating paying was the way we could judge how a guy would take care of us. Of course most women didn't work and were supported by their Dad until they were handed off to their husband. I think things are better now. Now men and women look for other things in the relationship and I think that makes for a healthier situation.
• Singapore
31 Aug 08
savypat, Here's a question, will it deem that a guy is loving the gal lesser when he proposes to go on dutch on the next couple of dates? Will it have a negative impression on the gal when the guy lets her pick up the entire tab? I think it is getting more confusing nowadays than better? Care to share? Thanks
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
31 Aug 08
If you are totally honest and discuss the fact that you want to go out but can't always afford to pay for everything, not only can the both of you arrive at common ground about this but she will respect you for being honest and treating her like a caring, thoughtful adult. If not get another girl.
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@clickicy (571)
• Indonesia
29 Aug 08
It is a matter of preference my friend... Sometimes guys always want to prove more than he can prove by paying every single occasion over girls... and broke. Ups. Well I still here married my beloved wife where we paid equally. Sometimes I paid full, and sometimes when I've no money she pay the bill. It totally depend on circumstance. I can't offer something that I didn't have, can I? Being myself of course my friends always laugh at me. Not to mention my wife friends, as they see me as nothing for good boyfriend. Well here I'm standing with my exgirlfriend (my wife) living happily hopefully forever :).
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• Singapore
30 Aug 08
I am really happy for you and I do wish you all the best with your wife. However, I believe prior to your acquaintance with your current wife, I am sure you had gone through much trial and error like me. So just how did you get over the issue of paying everything on a date? Was there a mention prior a date or paying the bill? Thanks.
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@clickicy (571)
• Indonesia
30 Aug 08
Prior date, yes, it was prior date.
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@vidhyavini (6111)
• India
29 Aug 08
It just depends on the couple yar. There are some guys who wants to prove to gals that he can afford all the time. Actually something like Ego. If he lets the girl to pay and if his friends knew about this, they will start to tease him. Thats one of the reason why guys are paying the bills. When I was in love, if my partner didn't have enough money, I will give the whole amount that I have to him itself. I will ask him to spend then. I just had a feel that no one should speak ill of him. There are people who speaks ill of those who let gals to pay. I never wanted anyone to speak him like that. So we will do it that way. Everything depends on that couple. Nothing wrong if both of them spends. Happy mylotting.
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• Singapore
31 Aug 08
vidhyavini, I am really of admiration of you here. However, I do not get your drift where your guy could decide a place where he cannot afford. Why? What ego is there when he had erred in his decision there? No offense, perhaps he should be prudent and choose a place or activity which will not waste anyone's hard earned monies. It is not easy to earn money nowadays. Agree? Hope you get my drift here. Thanks
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• India
2 Sep 08
We were studying at that time. So he can't have money always right????
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@pinky31ps (187)
• India
29 Aug 08
it is totally unfair that guys pay everytime and for everything. i mean there should be contribution of both the partners. even they have their expenses. girls are not so special that they cant pay. if anyone is doing all this that means the girl is simply passing time with the guy and having fun while enjoying on his money.
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• Singapore
31 Aug 08
pinky31ps, What an astute view? I just cannot believe this coming from the other end. I wonder if being a little coy with that wallet is deem to be prudence. I don't know if you catch my drift here. Because, there are guys who doesn't mind living off from the gals. I am sure gals will not be attracted by weak guys right? Care to share further on this one? Thanks
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